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Nowhere in that article does it say a fee has been agreed.
Fuel your speculation shite elsewhere
Yes, sorry, got that wrong. My online translator is shit.
A todo esto, el Barça tiene cerrado totalmente el acuerdo con Cesc Fà bregas. El futbolista ha aceptado cobrar unos seis millones de euros por temporada, a los que habrÃa que sumar los mismos variables por rendimiento personal y por tÃtulos que tiene estipulados el resto de la plantilla.
That bit I understood to be that the agreement has been reached, and then it talks about wages, when it actually just says that 'allegedly' a deal has been agreed with Cesc.
What I got was...
Barça has totally closed the agreement with Cesc Fà bregas
Sorry again, but I figured a 'totally closed agreement' sounded pretty official.
Gunnersaurus wrote:Thiago has just signed a two year extension with a 90 million euro buyout, I wonder if this is a good or bad thing????
Maybe this is a back up plan as the club are holding firm on the price.
Dilemma for barca...........on one hand they want cesc back as he is very much the one that got away but now if they allow tiago to go to us (or whoever) to fund the deal and create room for cesc then they risk being in the very same situation in a few years when tiago could be one of the worlds best
Agreed, two things with Cesc, they know his hamstrings are starting to play up and they do not want to pay over their valuation, I really see them going away after the next bid is rejected and giving Thiago a push like they have done with their own in the past, tieing him down is a message to Arsenal and Fabregas for me, Cesc will either rebel and they are seeing if we will turn back their second offer or not.
I see Cesc being more about salvaging their pride then really wanting him as if they did they would pay what it takes to get him, they have half heartily pursued him as deep down they are still pissed about him being taken.
Nowhere in that article does it say a fee has been agreed.
Fuel your speculation shite elsewhere
Yes, sorry, got that wrong. My online translator is shit.
A todo esto, el Barça tiene cerrado totalmente el acuerdo con Cesc Fà bregas. El futbolista ha aceptado cobrar unos seis millones de euros por temporada, a los que habrÃa que sumar los mismos variables por rendimiento personal y por tÃtulos que tiene estipulados el resto de la plantilla.
That bit I understood to be that the agreement has been reached, and then it talks about wages, when it actually just says that 'allegedly' a deal has been agreed with Cesc.
What I got was...
Barça has totally closed the agreement with Cesc Fà bregas
Sorry again, but I figured a 'totally closed agreement' sounded pretty official.
1989 wrote:He's a glory hunter, he can go and sit on the bench and collect medals there contributing little.
Wow, just wow.
Now he is a glory hunter? As you know, we get various types of footballers, the shitty, to the average and then the special world class players. Now, the shitty and average will know that and will be happy with their lot and picking up their pay cheques. Some will be lucky to play in a winning team and collect their medals.
However, the special one's they want more than just money. They want to win trophies.This has been reiterated ad nauseam that Fab is a player with ambition. He's not stupid enough to think he'd walk into the 1st team of Barca, but how long does Xavi really have in the tank to play at that level week in and week out. Cesc is his natural successor. How do you know what the level of his contribution will be? your post smacks of bitterness.
Yes he signed a long term contract, at a time when the club promised so much and I'm sure Wenger whispered a rosy future in his ears. Who knows what goes on behind the scenes but I can bet Wenger has promised him quality players but has of yet failed to meet those promises. The person to blame here is Wenger. However, in saying that Cesc is under contract and should honour it but do we really want a player that does not want to be here. Besides contracts mean zilch these days.
Poor bastard, thought he'd be playing alongside footballers with the calibre of Henry, Pires, Viera et al, not the players from the football's bargain bin.
My point is that he came to us during a successful period and at a time when Barca were a midtable La Liga side. It's clear that he saw Arsenal as a better club to be at (at the time) as he had the chance to play alongside world class players and win trophies. In 2003 we looked like a much more attractive club than Barcelona that's for sure.
Now that we've declined and they've started to win trophies and are having a period of dominance suddenly they're his 'boyhood' club and is desperate to go back. If he loves them so much why did he leave in the first place????? It's not like they wouldn't have given him his chance in the first team as he was clearly a massive talent. His motive is not his love for Barcelona, but his desire to win trophies and that's all. If the roles had been reversed I'm sure Messi would whore himself out to Arsenal as well. These players want to win trophies and be successful. The whole boyhood club talk is complete bollocks. Hence the 'glory hunter' comment.
He been here for 8 years, watched players like anderson pick up winners medals with half the talent. That would drive him mad.
The truth is, if he wanted he could have the pick of any clubs. If he went to utd he'd be guranteed a starting place and trophies without a doubt, same as chelsea less so at city. Milan, Inter who wouldnt have him?
At barca he is guaranteed trophies but the cost is his importance, he likely to be a bench player there, that will be a strange transition for him and it isnt exactly short term. Xavi is still going strong, and its when injuries come in, that he will play.
He has waited for the sign at arsenal that we are on the up, but the players simply haven't improved as wenger convinced him they would. In fact with City around he knows its even tougher than before and we have to admit, its tougher to win trophies than it was in 2001 2004 or 2008.
I'd never ever put Cesc in the same group as Adebayor, Hleb, Flamini and Nasri as players who never really gave a damn about arsenal and jumped ship as soon as they made a name for themselves.
He came to play with Henry he got Bendtner long term. Even steven gerrard has won more than Cesc could in this team. He has given us 8 YEARS more than Pires gave us. I honestly wish Cesc the best.
I don't think anyone begrudges Cesc but you do have to wonder WHY he's going there. He is the replacement for Xavi but that's in another 2 years. He simply wont get into that starting 11 unless he's played out of position. I can't understand it really.
Anyway he'll go with a lot of good will, and at least we wont have to put up with it all the fucking time. How long till the Wilshere rumours start?
rigsby wrote:I don't think anyone begrudges Cesc but you do have to wonder WHY he's going there. He is the replacement for Xavi but that's in another 2 years. He simply wont get into that starting 11 unless he's played out of position. I can't understand it really.
Anyway he'll go with a lot of good will, and at least we wont have to put up with it all the fucking time. How long till the Wilshere rumours start?
I still firmly believe that he wants to leave asap because he realises that this team is going nowhere fast and any hopes of winning trophies with Arsenal are getting thinner by the day We all knew that someday cesc would look to return home but his departure has without doubt been accelerated by the rapid demise of the team and club around him and I for one totally understand why he feels the way he does
I can't believe Cesc would have said that. It's a load of crap. The player is on the market because he wants to join the 'Barca DNA' whores he calls friends.
That attributed quote bothered me too. This has been an engineered move by Cesc's buddies which Cesc has played along with. Much more of that from our captain and he will have lost any respect I have for him.
I understand why he has played his part in engineering a discounted move, the lad is ambitious and our owners and management have not been for years. He is about to get his move and so just needs to stay humble and say thank you to the club for developing him and to us for putting him on a pedastal. His arrival signalled the end of our success but we never turned on the inexperienced teenager or the man he became.
still firmly believe that he wants to leave asap because he realises that this team is going nowhere fast and any hopes of winning trophies with Arsenal are getting thinner by the day
Not sure you understood my point. I understand him wanting to go there, but at this very moment? No I don't see why. He wont start in that team. Who the hell wants to sit on the bench and just colect medals? Fuck Alex Hleb has a CL medal.
The AC Milan Chairman has ruled them out of signing him which made me laugh. Why the fuck would Cesc go to AC Milan in the first place?
The point alot of you are missing is that Fabregas probably believes he is good enough to start rather than sit on the bench for 2 years.
And maybe he is. Certainly he will be playing at a higher level with Messi, Xavi etc than he was with Denilson, Bendtner etc and his own game can only improve surrounded by and interacting with such quality players as the Whores have.
It is a fact that good players look and play even better when playing with other good players.
still firmly believe that he wants to leave asap because he realises that this team is going nowhere fast and any hopes of winning trophies with Arsenal are getting thinner by the day
Not sure you understood my point. I understand him wanting to go there, but at this very moment? No I don't see why. He wont start in that team. Who the hell wants to sit on the bench and just colect medals? Fuck Alex Hleb has a CL medal.
The AC Milan Chairman has ruled them out of signing him which made me laugh. Why the fuck would Cesc go to AC Milan in the first place?
Fabregas will be twice the player he currently is playing for Barca and wont spend a lot of time on the bench. This coupled with the fact he is a Barca fan and Barca are the best team in world football currently why wouldnt he want to sign for them? If Arsenal wanted any of us you wouldnt say no and thats not taking into consideration more wages etc
If he goes good luck to him and i hope he does well everytime he plays except the games against us
I was thinking about this early and I'd be gutted if I heard Arsenal really wanted to sign me but weren't prepared to pay a reasonable fee (assuming I was really good at football of course).
"Yeah, we wanna sign you but you're not worth fuck all so you'll have to sulk and strike so we can get you cheaper"
A big part of the game is confidence and that would shatter mine.
