FOR THE 'TINTERS - Defend Wenger here!

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:27 pm

1989 wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
JakeN13 wrote:I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......
That is getting a myth now, our football now-a-days is predictable and ever so slow.
I agree. Our football is anything but entertaining or attractive. It sends me over the edge and makes me want to pull my damn hair out.

Me also, 50-60 passes to get to the opposition's box, rarely no shot at the end of this laborious move, or if one is, it invariably gets hit straight at the keeper, corners constantly ending up in the oppo keeper's hands, or headed out from the front stick, our free kicks, end up either hitting the wall or hit over the bar, a team that doesn't look like its coached properly.

OneBardGooner · Post by **OneBardGooner** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:54 pm

JakeN13 wrote:I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......

We can have the Barca manager next season....

SORRRRRRRRTTEDD !

Post by **Chippy** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:01 pm

FFS not another one of these threads. Is nobody bored with the same old shit yet?

Babu · Post by **Babu** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:07 pm

JakeN13 wrote:I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......

EDIT:

Whoops, just seen 1989 beat me to it. Nice list btw.

There are literally dozens of managers out there that could do the same job as Wenger. It's not like we are some two-bob club who will disappear up their own arsehole when our 'brilliant manager' goes - we are The Arsenal, and we will be here long after Wenger and all of us are gone.

Another few names... maybe some outsiders as well...

Lucien Favre - Borussia Moenchangladbach- realistic
Paul Lambert - Norwich city - realistic
Frank de Boer AND DB10 - Ajax - realistic
Lee Clark - Huddersfield Town -realistic
Eddie Howe - Burnley - realistic

Steve Bould and Liam Brady.

Maybe some of those names would be gambles, but I would rather risk something than stay with what we know, as that star is fading fast, and the only way we're going now is downwards - and pretty fast.

BournemouthRED · Post by **BournemouthRED** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:10 pm

Chippy wrote:FFS not another one of these threads. Is nobody bored with the same old shit yet?

Was just thinking the same, every thread is the same these days. This forum is as predictable and boring as the team

Post by **Chippy** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:15 pm

BournemouthRED wrote:
Chippy wrote:FFS not another one of these threads. Is nobody bored with the same old shit yet?
Was just thinking the same, every thread is the same these days. This forum is as predictable and boring as the team

It's the main reason I don't come on here so much these days. Used to be like a wild Friday night on here at one stage, never knowing if you were going to end up in a fight or having the best shag of your life. Now it's being stuck in the corner of the kitchen at a party with the biggest bore on the planet.

storrmin571 · Post by **storrmin571** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:16 pm

Babu wrote:
JakeN13 wrote:I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......
EDIT:

Whoops, just seen 1989 beat me to it. Nice list btw.

There are literally dozens of managers out there that could do the same job as Wenger. It's not like we are some two-bob club who will disappear up their own arsehole when our 'brilliant manager' goes - we are The Arsenal, and we will be here long after Wenger and all of us are gone.

Another few names... maybe some outsiders as well...

Lucien Favre - Borussia Moenchangladbach- realistic
Paul Lambert - Norwich city - realistic
Frank de Boer AND DB10 - Ajax - realistic
Lee Clark - Huddersfield Town -realistic
Eddie Howe - Burnley - realistic

Steve Bould and Liam Brady.

Maybe some of those names would be gambles, but I would rather risk something than stay with what we know, as that star is fading fast, and the only way we're going now is downwards - and pretty fast.

Owen Coyle - realistic
David Moyes - realistic
Roberto Martinez - realistic

MK Gould · Post by **MK Gould** » Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:59 pm

Testing times......

But, in Wengers defence, most of the media know just as little as we do about what players really think and what deals are going on behind the scenes. So most of what is talked about on here is based on speculation pure and simple....

Having spent the day at the cricket with a Chav and a Citeh fan though I would agree that Wenger and his project are testing me to the limit! An announcement that Nasri and Cesc are staying....or an unexpectedly big name signing or three would be quite timely!

Herd · Post by **Herd** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:09 am

The issue is was and has always been whether he had the money to spend or not .
I still believe he hasn't and therefore has done well enough all things considered.
Believing this I further think that he has been extremely loyal ,a lot of managers would be whining in the Press about the lack of funds made available to him,but whilst he has hinted as much he's never said it outright .

Unfortunately you can do what he has done ,only for so long and eventually you will find that no one will come to the club because they know the club lacks real ambition and the annual dilution of the talent pool will mean we could end up missing out on the clubs real yearly goal of CL Football .

His faults as we all know is not coaching the noble art of defense,having no plan B and resistant to change.

You can try and blame him for keeping players who no longer can or will come good but if u cant spend u have to muddle on with what you have .

This year is the watershed but is apparent as others have pointed out that we will sell first and buy later.

Ditching Wenger will only be OK if his successor will have funds to spend and that is far from clear whether that person would.

Also who is that man ? I've heard many many suggestions from folk but NO top class manager (and there are very few out there) will come to Arsenal unless they can spend .

As frustrated as I am I can see no end in sight for fans many years to come as the new owners will look to get a return on his investment !

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:42 am

The argument about who could replace Wenger is both relevant and irrelevant! Wenger was a virtual unknown when he came here. People can speculate what a Guardiola, Hiddink, Moyes or Coyle would do but ultimately, there is no proof that another unknown or 'lesser' manager would do a worse job. All we can do with any accuracy is judge the guy who is in the position now! We all know what has, and is happening and it is unacceptable to a lot of people.

Herd · Post by **Herd** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:38 am

The thread was about defending Wenger .
Whilst not a rose tinter (never have been) I defend Wenger because I have felt he has done ok given that he has had his hands tied and that the alternatives vis a vis the managers job would hinder us more not progress us given the parsimonious attitude of the board.
Therefore the discussion regarding alternatives above , is entirely relevant to my defense of Wenger !

JakeN13 · Post by **JakeN13** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:50 am

frankbutcher wrote:
JakeN13 wrote:I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......
Who'd heard of Wenger before he joined us?

David Dein....

JakeN13 · Post by **JakeN13** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:51 am

frankbutcher wrote:
JakeN13 wrote:I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......
Who'd heard of Wenger before he joined us?

Mr. David Dein..

JakeN13 · Post by **JakeN13** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:59 am

1989 wrote:
JakeN13 wrote:I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......
Guus Hiddink - realistic
Pep Guardiola - realistic
Jose Mourinho - unrealistic
Andre Villas Boas - unrealistic
Carlo Ancelotti - realistic
Joachim Loew - realistic
Jurgen Klopp - realistic
Louis van Gaal - realistic
Marco van Basten - realistic
Alex Ferguson - unrealistic
Otmar Hitzfeld - realistic
Vicente del Bosque - realistic
Frank Rijkaard - realistic
Jupp Heynckes - unrealistic
Laurent Blanc - realistic
Fabio Capello - realistic
Manuel Pellegrini - unrealistic

Whilst I am a big fan of Joachim Loew it would be a very big gamble. I'm far from certain that anyone of the above would come in and get us closer to titles (apart from Hiddink or Mourinho who would come for a year or two of personal glory and then move on to the next club)...chances are that we would soon be a mid table side changing their manager every two years.

We are way behind ManU, Chelsea and City when it comes to money...and it's about time people realise no manager is going to come in and help us overtake English football on the pitch until the economy in football collapses, which it will do sooner or later.

JakeN13 · Post by **JakeN13** » Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:05 am

franksav63 wrote:
JakeN13 wrote:I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......
That is getting a myth now, our football now-a-days is predictable and ever so slow.

That's your opinion but I am pretty sure you will find most neutrals would prefer to watch Arsenal to Chelsea or City any day of the week

FOR THE 'TINTERS - Defend Wenger here!

My 5 pennyworth !

TEECEE ?