FOR THE 'TINTERS - Defend Wenger here!

[JakeN13]

I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......

EDIT:

Whoops, just seen 1989 beat me to it. Nice list btw.

There are literally dozens of managers out there that could do the same job as Wenger. It's not like we are some two-bob club who will disappear up their own arsehole when our 'brilliant manager' goes - we are The Arsenal, and we will be here long after Wenger and all of us are gone.

Another few names... maybe some outsiders as well...

Lucien Favre - Borussia Moenchangladbach- realistic
Paul Lambert - Norwich city - realistic
Frank de Boer AND DB10 - Ajax - realistic
Lee Clark - Huddersfield Town -realistic
Eddie Howe - Burnley - realistic

Steve Bould and Liam Brady.

Maybe some of those names would be gambles, but I would rather risk something than stay with what we know, as that star is fading fast, and the only way we're going now is downwards - and pretty fast.

Owen Coyle - realistic
David Moyes - realistic
Roberto Martinez - realistic

The fact that people think that, Lee Clark, Martinez or even Coyle would come in and make us start challenging the teams with 3 or 4 times or budget better just goes to show how far this anti Wenger campaign has got.

[JakeN13]

I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......

EDIT:

Whoops, just seen 1989 beat me to it. Nice list btw.

There are literally dozens of managers out there that could do the same job as Wenger. It's not like we are some two-bob club who will disappear up their own arsehole when our 'brilliant manager' goes - we are The Arsenal, and we will be here long after Wenger and all of us are gone.

Another few names... maybe some outsiders as well...

Lucien Favre - Borussia Moenchangladbach- realistic
Paul Lambert - Norwich city - realistic
Frank de Boer AND DB10 - Ajax - realistic
Lee Clark - Huddersfield Town -realistic
Eddie Howe - Burnley - realistic

Steve Bould and Liam Brady.

Maybe some of those names would be gambles, but I would rather risk something than stay with what we know, as that star is fading fast, and the only way we're going now is downwards - and pretty fast.

Owen Coyle - realistic
David Moyes - realistic
Roberto Martinez - realistic

The fact that people think that, Lee Clark, Martinez or even Coyle would come in and make us start challenging the teams with 3 or 4 times or budget better just goes to show how far this anti Wenger campaign has got.

[franksav63]

I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......

That is getting a myth now, our football now-a-days is predictable and ever so slow.

That's your opinion but I am pretty sure you will find most neutrals would prefer to watch Arsenal to Chelsea or City any day of the week

I'm sorry Jake, but it's the opinion of loads on this forum and many off it, the reason most neutrals like it, is because they beat us and we're all so predictable with only one way of playing.

[Herd]

The only predictable thing is the amount of posts on the same subject day after day !

[Kevinho]

FFS not another one of these threads. Is nobody bored with the same old shit yet?

Was just thinking the same, every thread is the same these days. This forum is as predictable and boring as the team

It's the main reason I don't come on here so much these days. Used to be like a wild Friday night on here at one stage, never knowing if you were going to end up in a fight or having the best shag of your life. Now it's being stuck in the corner of the kitchen at a party with the biggest bore on the planet.

Well if our club got on with the business of signing players we might have something else to moan about.

[JakeN13]

I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......

That is getting a myth now, our football now-a-days is predictable and ever so slow.

That's your opinion but I am pretty sure you will find most neutrals would prefer to watch Arsenal to Chelsea or City any day of the week

I'm sorry Jake, but it's the opinion of loads on this forum and many off it, the reason most neutrals like it, is because they beat us and we're all so predictable with only one way of playing.

That would be our opponents then...not neutrals....and most opponents do not beat us either because I can prove that we win more games that we lose . Things are nowhere near as fantastic as Wenger and the club makes out, however they are not half as bad as many people on here thinks either.

[franksav63]

I read about people that want Wenger out everyday...yet I'm still to hear anybody come up with a name who would take us in th top 3 / 4 position every year, be considered titles contenders at least at one stage every season and play an attractive football at that.

You can sack Wenger all you want but until you come up with a name who is going to compete with Chelsea, ManU and City with a third of their budget......

That is getting a myth now, our football now-a-days is predictable and ever so slow.

That's your opinion but I am pretty sure you will find most neutrals would prefer to watch Arsenal to Chelsea or City any day of the week

I'm sorry Jake, but it's the opinion of loads on this forum and many off it, the reason most neutrals like it, is because they beat us and we're all so predictable with only one way of playing.

That would be our opponents then...not neutrals....and most opponents do not beat us either because I can prove that we win more games that we lose . Things are nowhere near as fantastic as Wenger and the club makes out, however they are not half as bad as many people on here thinks either.

We're the neutral's, or most other supporters other favorite side, that's what is always rolled out, yes, the football may look good on the eye, but once you've seen the same type of football post 2005, it looks the same and it's boring and tediously slow, and it's got sussed out by the top teams and now other teams.

Our stats when we play up at Manure or away to the Chavs shows us always to have the lion share of the possession, but there's no overall impact, because the shots on goals in comparison to the possesion is low or non-existent.

Now add in to the mix the type of mentally and physically weak players that Wenger now foists upon the team, and it's no surprise that we blow up when it comes to the nitty gritty end of the season, the only way this will change is for Wenger to fuck off, tell me Jake, why is it that all our so-called best players now want to jump ship? I'll tell you why, they've even sussed out the old codger, despite all that he does for them and the constant times he defends them!!

[rigsby]

Havin followed Arsenal for a number of years I still believe the money is simply not being given to Wenger. Its the same with all our managers, they're never allowed to build. Terry Neil revealed after he left that he was never given any money to buy a suitable replacement for Brady. It sums us up and is the reason why we've desperatley needed rid of the likes of Peter Hill-Wood.

I think Wenger much toes the party line. Certainly he's not the worst manager in the world, and his record of keeping us one of the big 4 clubs for the past 15 or so years has been a tremendous achievement.

I think he has fucked up in certain areas, even though the money might not have been significant. The constant playing of Almunia for instance.

I said before, this is his biggest summer. If its more of the same next year (which probably mean outside the top 4 for the first time) then I'll believe his time is no more.

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

I just cannot believe the stuff that Rose Tinters come out with in defence of Wenger. Yes the man was once brilliant but like so many "top" people (in all walks of life) he has gone on way past his sell-by date.

How can Tinters ignore these facts?

* No trophies in 6 years, after the Invincibles looked set to dominate Europe.

* The same "shitting of pants" every time the end of season pressure games come around.

* Far too many average players on massive contracts.

* Ridiculous ticket prices.

* Manager & Directors do not give a flying f**k about supporters.

* The same lies and excuses from Wenger for the last 4 or 5 years.

* All of our best players want to leave. (Probably the biggest negative point against Wenger in 15 yrs)

* No top players (or hot prospects) want to join Arsenal anymore.

Arsenal Football Club will continue to drop back until Arsene Wenger leaves because without Fabregas and Nasri we are a Europa League team at best.

[rigsby]

Why does when anyone defends Wenger someone like you pops up bringing up the same stuff. We fucking know these things, everyone mentions them.

[mikeyb772001]

Why does when anyone defends Wenger someone like you pops up bringing up the same stuff. We fucking know these things, everyone mentions them.

So why defend him then?


Its wenger who picks the team

Wenger who chooses the style of play (don’t work anymore)

Wenger who chooses not to worry about defensive coaching

Wenger who talks pure bollox after every game

Wenger who keeps the faith with such wanker players when we have good English lads that would give 100% work rate.

Wenger who plays players out of position




Its not just about the money here. If Wenger would of addressed the issues we all see and talk about maybe we could of gone on to win something.



I really don’t see how anyone can defend the old fool anymore

[franksav63]

Havin followed Arsenal for a number of years I still believe the money is simply not being given to Wenger. Its the same with all our managers, they're never allowed to build. Terry Neil revealed after he left that he was never given any money to buy a suitable replacement for Brady. It sums us up and is the reason why we've desperatley needed rid of the likes of Peter Hill-Wood.

I think Wenger much toes the party line. Certainly he's not the worst manager in the world, and his record of keeping us one of the big 4 clubs for the past 15 or so years has been a tremendous achievement.

I think he has fucked up in certain areas, even though the money might not have been significant. The constant playing of Almunia for instance.

I said before, this is his biggest summer. If its more of the same next year (which probably mean outside the top 4 for the first time) then I'll believe his time is no more.

I'm sorry mate, but I just can't see that being the case at all, why would Wenger had signed his last contract if he had to operate within these 'seemingly' financial constraints, it just doesn't make sense, and also the speed with which he signed that same contract, there was no 'will he, won't he' this time... (unfortunately) which is even more amazing, he wouldn't get away with what he is doing at any club that is on the same or similar level to ours.

[JakeN13]

Fabregas wants to home and play for his home town club, who currently enjoy a period which will go down in history as one of the best ever for the club.

Nasri and Clichy wants to double their salaries..

I say it again, Wenger has many faults and I can't see us winning any major titles until he wakes up and change a few things. Yet, if you compare the odds of Wenger eventually getting it right to what it would take for a completely new manager to come in and start challenging Chelsea, ManU and City I prefer to stick with Wenger any day of the week. I actually wanted Wenger sacked at some points between, 99 - 2001 when I thought he had taken us as far as he could...I have faith he will wake up again eventually.

[DB10GOONER]

Why does when anyone defends Wenger someone like you pops up bringing up the same stuff. We fucking know these things, everyone mentions them.

So why defend him then?


Its wenger who picks the team

Wenger who chooses the style of play (don’t work anymore)

Wenger who chooses not to worry about defensive coaching

Wenger who talks pure bollox after every game

Wenger who keeps the faith with such wanker players when we have good English lads that would give 100% work rate.
Wenger who plays players out of position




Its not just about the money here. If Wenger would of addressed the issues we all see and talk about maybe we could of gone on to win something.



I really don’t see how anyone can defend the old fool anymore

Not on an anti-Engerlish thing here but who exactly are these "good English lads that would give 100% work rate"?

Nationality has little to do with it, it is down to the individual as a person.

I want Wenger gone but a team full of technically inferior Engerlish players will not win the PL or the CL. Not exactly the players' fault either - the Engerlish coaching system from kids up is way behind European systems.

[Henry Norris 1913]

or maybe they have realised this club is going nowhere fast and are getting off before the ship sinks
there could easily be a mass exodus this season and it will be because

a) they've lost belief in wenger (like us)
b) they want to better they're careers and win something
c) they have more ambition that the club

Money can't be blamed here, some people need to take a good, long, hard look at our club. Why would wenger let his reputation be diminished if he had his hands tied by the board? He wouldn't accept it. Anyone who knows wenger knows he wants all control , he wouldn't settle for any less.