City to sign gael for 7 million

[Supagoon]

Its fair to say, players move to city to win trophies now, because they have proven they are already able to beat utd in the big games, and win the FA Cup. Its not going to slow down for them.

[Metalheadz Gooner]

we need this guy Aly Cissokho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6tOlv1GnoM

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

So people want an overhaul of the squad - but when it begins to happen they stil arnt happy

I know you like to knock other posters on here but not many complaining about this deal

I dont think to knock other posters at all - thats a bit harsh.

Plenty of people moaning to the extreme on here - as usual this time of year - loooong way to go in the tranfer window yet (although in an ideal world it would be wrapped up before the tour but it doesnt look like thats going to happen).

If Wenger doesnt strenghten the squad properly this summer its a massive massive failure, probably one that will seal his fate - but you cant judge it on the th July - especially as nobody knows whats going to happen with Nasr / Cesc and he himself said that most of our activity will happen in late July..

Knowing us, we will just have one press conference and announce em all at once to save money and get more pressmen in to eat £7 hotdogs

[marcengels]

The massive failure has already occured. This summer will only compound the failure.

[goonersid]

An overhaul of the squad won't fix it. Wenger has to go, it's his management and tactics that have us failing year after year just as much as the lack of quality in certain areas of the squad.
Wenger wouldn't win la liga or the clge if he was Barcelona manager, that's how bad he has become.
Fuck him.

[DB10GOONER]

So people want an overhaul of the squad - but when it begins to happen they stil arnt happy

I know you like to knock other posters on here but not many complaining about this deal

I dont think to knock other posters at all - thats a bit harsh.

Plenty of people moaning to the extreme on here - as usual this time of year - loooong way to go in the tranfer window yet (although in an ideal world it would be wrapped up before the tour but it doesnt look like thats going to happen).

If Wenger doesnt strenghten the squad properly this summer its a massive massive failure, probably one that will seal his fate - but you cant judge it on the th July - especially as nobody knows whats going to happen with Nasr / Cesc and he himself said that most of our activity will happen in late July..

Knowing us, we will just have one press conference and announce em all at once to save money and get more pressmen in to eat £7 hotdogs

That's the bit I don't get. Why THIS summer? Why not last summer? Or the summer before? Or all the january windows in between? The problems were there then and were not addressed. This is not some new failing on Arsene's behalf. It has been going on for years.

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

So people want an overhaul of the squad - but when it begins to happen they stil arnt happy

I know you like to knock other posters on here but not many complaining about this deal

I dont think to knock other posters at all - thats a bit harsh.

Plenty of people moaning to the extreme on here - as usual this time of year - loooong way to go in the tranfer window yet (although in an ideal world it would be wrapped up before the tour but it doesnt look like thats going to happen).

If Wenger doesnt strenghten the squad properly this summer its a massive massive failure, probably one that will seal his fate - but you cant judge it on the th July - especially as nobody knows whats going to happen with Nasr / Cesc and he himself said that most of our activity will happen in late July..

Knowing us, we will just have one press conference and announce em all at once to save money and get more pressmen in to eat £7 hotdogs

That's the bit I don't get. Why THIS summer? Why not last summer? Or the summer before? Or all the january windows in between? The problems were there then and were not addressed. This is not some new failing on Arsene's behalf. It has been going on for years.

Because THIS summer we are losing first team players - in previous years it has been squad players / players that were poor in the first team (Adebayor / Toure / Gallas) that we were better off without and squad players.

The team last year were not a million miles away, the criminal thing was the capitulation after the cc final, the continued ability to fuck things up just after scoring and the continuted weakness at set pieces - all fall back to Wenger. But for large periods in the season we had shown dramatic improvement -so the foundation is there.

This time last year i wanted the defence improved - that was done to an extent as a team we defended better a hell of a lot better, particularly away from home - but we didnt legislate for TV being out for the campaign so had to rely on Kos who, whilst i thought did well overall, was a bit raw. Should he have bought a CB in January - 100% yes, but it has to be a good one, we have seen what buying cheap gets you...Squillaci. But the defence was clearly an area that was addressed - but its the team not defending properly - (although i still put a large part of that down to when Walcott is on the pitch dragging everyone out of position with this bloody awful footballing ability)

Now we face losing 3 or 4 first team players - i dont really care - Fabregas is the only real massive loss - but for me, they ALL need to be replaced properly as i dont see much within the squad who can step up. Casing point - Gibbs, replacing Clichy with Gibbs is not good enough.

[donaldo]

An overhaul of the squad won't fix it. Wenger has to go, it's his management and tactics that have us failing year after year just as much as the lack of quality in certain areas of the squad.
Wenger wouldn't win la liga or the clge if he was Barcelona manager, that's how bad he has become.
Fuck him.

Couldnt agree more Sid

Doesnt matter who we buy,We still have a coach who plays one striker at home and doesnt do defence.We need change at the top.

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

An overhaul of the squad won't fix it. Wenger has to go, it's his management and tactics that have us failing year after year just as much as the lack of quality in certain areas of the squad.
Wenger wouldn't win la liga or the clge if he was Barcelona manager, that's how bad he has become.
Fuck him.

Couldnt agree more Sid

Doesnt matter who we buy,We still have a coach who plays one striker at home and doesnt do defence.We need change at the top.

When have we ever played one striker at home? We play about 8 attacking players - thats the problem because it leaves us exposed - its a trade off, but one that we need to balance more effectively.

We have problems, but scoring isnt usually one of them - we could and should score more - but to ay we play some sort of one lone man striker is dramtically different to what I see!

[DB10GOONER]

So people want an overhaul of the squad - but when it begins to happen they stil arnt happy

I know you like to knock other posters on here but not many complaining about this deal

I dont think to knock other posters at all - thats a bit harsh.

Plenty of people moaning to the extreme on here - as usual this time of year - loooong way to go in the tranfer window yet (although in an ideal world it would be wrapped up before the tour but it doesnt look like thats going to happen).

If Wenger doesnt strenghten the squad properly this summer its a massive massive failure, probably one that will seal his fate - but you cant judge it on the th July - especially as nobody knows whats going to happen with Nasr / Cesc and he himself said that most of our activity will happen in late July..

Knowing us, we will just have one press conference and announce em all at once to save money and get more pressmen in to eat £7 hotdogs

That's the bit I don't get. Why THIS summer? Why not last summer? Or the summer before? Or all the january windows in between? The problems were there then and were not addressed. This is not some new failing on Arsene's behalf. It has been going on for years.

Because THIS summer we are losing first team players - in previous years it has been squad players / players that were poor in the first team (Adebayor / Toure / Gallas) that we were better off without and squad players.

The team last year were not a million miles away, the criminal thing was the capitulation after the cc final, the continued ability to fuck things up just after scoring and the continuted weakness at set pieces - all fall back to Wenger. But for large periods in the season we had shown dramatic improvement -so the foundation is there.

This time last year i wanted the defence improved - that was done to an extent as a team we defended better a hell of a lot better, particularly away from home - but we didnt legislate for TV being out for the campaign so had to rely on Kos who, whilst i thought did well overall, was a bit raw. Should he have bought a CB in January - 100% yes, but it has to be a good one, we have seen what buying cheap gets you...Squillaci. But the defence was clearly an area that was addressed - but its the team not defending properly - (although i still put a large part of that down to when Walcott is on the pitch dragging everyone out of position with this bloody awful footballing ability)

Now we face losing 3 or 4 first team players - i dont really care - Fabregas is the only real massive loss - but for me, they ALL need to be replaced properly as i dont see much within the squad who can step up. Casing point - Gibbs, replacing Clichy with Gibbs is not good enough.

I agree losing established first teamers is worse now but I would counter that most of the Arsene doubters on here (and in general) predicted the collapse. Not because we are anyway more clued in about football but basically because it happens every year and he failed to add the required strength in depth to prevent the collapse.

The Cesc thing for me is not so clear cut. I think he is our best player by a long shot. Truly world class. BUT Wenger building our style of play around him is not working. It is too restrictive. We excel at the short 5 to 10 yard passing moves but there is no true cut and thrust like when we had the likes of TH14 DB10 PV4 etc. We have been found out by the oppo teams and they can now mostly deal with us. If Cesc leaving is what it takes for us to change our style and be more decisive in the final third then maybe it's not as bad as it seems on the surface... maybe...

[jonny3110]

Everyone on here slated him when he f*cked up, and he did so often let's be honest, so we should stop moaning that "this is the start of the exodus". I feel we would have won the league that year after Eddie had his leg snapped had he not given the pen, but you never know and aye that's sport for you! This one doesn't annoy me one bit, & I am a big fan of Gael as a person. Never heard sh*t about him in the papers and gave us 8 good years, & really like the lad, even got him the back of my shirt a few years ago and will still wear it, but the last 3 years he was a bit crap let's all be honest with ourselves. I wish him the best of luck and will give him a great reception when he comes back to play against us!

Now, here lies the problem...he MUST be replaced for somebody who can do his role more efficiently, and Gibbs it aint! Enrique, YES PLEASE, a top drawer Left Back is a must now. As is a centre back, striker, defensive mid...we're screwd

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

I know you like to knock other posters on here but not many complaining about this deal

I dont think to knock other posters at all - thats a bit harsh.

Plenty of people moaning to the extreme on here - as usual this time of year - loooong way to go in the tranfer window yet (although in an ideal world it would be wrapped up before the tour but it doesnt look like thats going to happen).

If Wenger doesnt strenghten the squad properly this summer its a massive massive failure, probably one that will seal his fate - but you cant judge it on the th July - especially as nobody knows whats going to happen with Nasr / Cesc and he himself said that most of our activity will happen in late July..

Knowing us, we will just have one press conference and announce em all at once to save money and get more pressmen in to eat £7 hotdogs

That's the bit I don't get. Why THIS summer? Why not last summer? Or the summer before? Or all the january windows in between? The problems were there then and were not addressed. This is not some new failing on Arsene's behalf. It has been going on for years.

Because THIS summer we are losing first team players - in previous years it has been squad players / players that were poor in the first team (Adebayor / Toure / Gallas) that we were better off without and squad players.

The team last year were not a million miles away, the criminal thing was the capitulation after the cc final, the continued ability to fuck things up just after scoring and the continuted weakness at set pieces - all fall back to Wenger. But for large periods in the season we had shown dramatic improvement -so the foundation is there.

This time last year i wanted the defence improved - that was done to an extent as a team we defended better a hell of a lot better, particularly away from home - but we didnt legislate for TV being out for the campaign so had to rely on Kos who, whilst i thought did well overall, was a bit raw. Should he have bought a CB in January - 100% yes, but it has to be a good one, we have seen what buying cheap gets you...Squillaci. But the defence was clearly an area that was addressed - but its the team not defending properly - (although i still put a large part of that down to when Walcott is on the pitch dragging everyone out of position with this bloody awful footballing ability)

Now we face losing 3 or 4 first team players - i dont really care - Fabregas is the only real massive loss - but for me, they ALL need to be replaced properly as i dont see much within the squad who can step up. Casing point - Gibbs, replacing Clichy with Gibbs is not good enough.

I agree losing established first teamers is worse now but I would counter that most of the Arsene doubters on here (and in general) predicted the collapse. Not because we are anyway more clued in about football but basically because it happens every year and he failed to add the required strength in depth to prevent the collapse.

The Cesc thing for me is not so clear cut. I think he is our best player by a long shot. Truly world class. BUT Wenger building our style of play around him is not working. It is too restrictive. We excel at the short 5 to 10 yard passing moves but there is no true cut and thrust like when we had the likes of TH14 DB10 PV4 etc. We have been found out by the oppo teams and they can now mostly deal with us. If Cesc leaving is what it takes for us to change our style and be more decisive in the final third then maybe it's not as bad as it seems on the surface... maybe...

I agree about Cesc - he is not some sort of God to me - he, like many, has not stood up and been counted in big games - you could always rely on our BIG players to do that. The 4-3-3 is built around him, if he goes, we may just change that.

But - losing his assists will be a massive blow - but then, somebody else will have to step in -Arshavin is a central player for example, it could be the (re)making of him - his stats are pretty impressive given that he does fuck all most of the time!

We need change, i think everyone can see that, all the noise coming uot the the club is that change is exactly what will happen - so we will see if that proves to be the case. But i think the preference from the club is to keep Nasri and Cesc - and that will play out this week i guess when Wenger gets to talk to them -and that in itself will impact on what happens in the future.

Point is, one cant demand change, and then complain when players leave to facilitate that change.

[mikeyb772001]

I don’t see what good change can come nbdb

Day by day we are leaving it to late to sign players. Clubs are going to hold of for ransom unless we sign before we sell.

Also it seems that many players don’t want to come to Arsenal for several reasons. Why would they when our best players are looking to leave, we cant afford them and also because of the huge amounts of bad press we are getting

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

I don’t see what good change can come nbdb

Day by day we are leaving it to late to sign players. Clubs are going to hold of for ransom unless we sign before we sell.

Also it seems that many players don’t want to come to Arsenal for several reasons. Why would they when our best players are looking to leave, we cant afford them and also because of the huge amounts of bad press we are getting

Football has changed - there is a new order now, money comes first for a lot of players - and we cannot compete with City and Chelsea so they pretty much get first pick,,,,,,what if players like Cahill are deliberatly holding out to see if City or Chelsea bid for him? What can we do about that? People say "we are not doing anything" but how do you really know? You dont! Someone said we rejected 10m for Diaby.........how d we know that? We dont! Any negative press is lapped up, any positive shunned to the side.

Arsenal still have a massive, massive pull to players - we have CL football, massive stadium, a Manager that is well respected in the game and we do complete for trophies (even if often fall short).

Dont kid yourself that Arsenal are seen as some failing club throughout Europe because that is simply not the case - we are hugely respected. The view in England is blinkered by the press and the people that lap it all up. I dont think that any player really makes a transfer decision on what is on the back of the Sun!!!

[mikeyb772001]

I don’t see what good change can come nbdb

Day by day we are leaving it to late to sign players. Clubs are going to hold of for ransom unless we sign before we sell.

Also it seems that many players don’t want to come to Arsenal for several reasons. Why would they when our best players are looking to leave, we cant afford them and also because of the huge amounts of bad press we are getting

Double post! Double bubble!

Fair enough but what about the points I made about being held to ransom on the cost of a player after we sell key players.

Doesn’t it make sense for us to of bought baines or Enrique before we sold Clichy?