I didn't want to hi-jack another of Frank's threads...

olgitgooner · Post by **olgitgooner** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:34 am

DB10GOONER wrote:We need a "shooting self in head" emoticon.

I know the feeling.

Thankfully I'm not a mod. So I don't have to read every single word of the usual drivel and waffle. Unlike you poor bastards.

And it's an awful lot of words. In one single year, five thousand posts. Thats about four hundred zillion words.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:50 am

Rather than to create another post I does anyone know (roughly) how much the loan currently stands at?

It was around Â£125M but that was some time ago.

Figures and no waffle please!

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:55 am

Boomer wrote:Rather than to create another post I does anyone know (roughly) how much the loan currently stands at?

It was around Â£125M but that was some time ago.

Figures and no waffle please!

(H.T.F.)

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:58 am

F.I.N.E

Post by **HashKads** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:16 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:We need a "shooting self in head" emoticon.

He looks a bit like Frank

redstevo · Post by **redstevo** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:21 pm

Is it possible to make this thread a sticky and then whenever USM starts to plough off topic and rape other threads the mods can refile the said post here?

Those that wish to be educated repeatedly in a clockwork orange way can then immerse themselves in this thread, leaving other threads clear for normal people.

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:17 pm

Just put the fucking thread in the basement he doesnt post down there thank fuck.A few months ago i started a thread on here where i asked could he post his rantings about the board on the 1 thread so that way if someone wanted to read his crap they could do so and the rest of us could ignore it and enjoy the forum.But oh no he couldnt even do that

redstevo · Post by **redstevo** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:26 pm

Worth a try!!!!!

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:37 pm

olgitgooner wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:We need a "shooting self in head" emoticon.
I know the feeling.

Thankfully I'm not a mod. So I don't have to read every single word of the usual drivel and waffle. Unlike you poor bastards.

And it's an awful lot of words. In one single year, five thousand posts. Thats about four hundred zillion words.

No you uinderestmate me

its one million billion KAGILLION words

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:39 pm

Even his attempt at humour is crap

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:44 pm

USMartin wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:USMartin

If the club had sold Highbury for cash, and held onto the cash, then the share price would have risen.
So are you acknowledging that the money was being withheld in order to increase the share price then?

No.

It is possible that it happened, possible that it did not happen.

I am just saying the decision to redevelop Highbury created an extra loan for the club, which meant there was a cashflow problem in the short term, but a profit in the mid-term.

As for criticising me for saying I hear things about Wenger from certain people that you do not, it is true.
You just have to take my word for it, or not, it is up to you, makes little difference to me.
Many on this Forum hear bits of information, because they live in London, and meet various people who do business with interested parties.
Not a criticism of you being in Connecticut, just a fact.

But consider Wenger's reaction to Pat Rice urging him to make tactical changes at the Spurs home game last season.
Wenger ignored Rice, even though we were doing badly.
It is clear evidence of Wenger's stubborness.

As to whether the board intentionally manipulated share price, I do not believe they did so, and I no longer care.
Those concerned are either dead, or have left the board, or are bit-part factors from this point on.

It is history.

Let us see what Kroenke does with his tenure.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:03 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:Whilst there is plenty of evidence that Wenger chose not to spend because the building projects reduced cashflow, there is not one single shred of evidence that the board ordered Wenger to not spend, in order to deliberately drive up share price.
It might have happened, but you cannot prove it.

No as you yourself have said earlier there is no smoking gun not there is no proof. I cannot deny there is no smoking gun at this point but that does not preclude us from raising honest sober serious questions beased on what we in fact know as you would suggest we should not bother doing.

As you once said to someone else there is no hard evidence of what Ihave suggested appeares to be happening, and then in the next phrase insisted it certainly isn't happening. Now you say it may be hahappening or have happened but again without incontrovertible proof we have no business questioning whether in fact that is the case.

I love how those who protect the Board and what they believe it stands for insist on basically having Dan Fiszman recorded on CCTV saying they are doing exactly what it appears we should at least be concerned they may be doing before they are even willing to conceded that little but base their own beliefs almost purely on assumption supposition and even imagination such as Teecee's converstaion between the manager and the Board where he even "quoted" what he was confident tha manager actually said.

So I'll ask where in fact is your evidence to suggest the claim you make below, I showed you all my evidence is based on indisputable facts (and there is more of it that you have seen on other aspects of this issue) any Gooner can read or find for themselves. It's not based upon conversations I want to believe happened, or sourced from agenda-driven bloggers and fan pages.It's not based on dismissing articles I do not like and focusing on those I do, if the articles are fact-based rather than purely opinion pieces

See all I am saying is there is legitimate reason to be seriouly concerned about what is and may be happening and to raise these issues, and people like yourself just do not want to because it upsets your vision of what Arsenal is and represents and preserving that is important to you as the team itself - look at your avay.

I would say ask yourself this. Would this have happened the very same way at Herbert Chapman's Arsenal? Would he have just ignored these things just to preserve his belief in what Arsenal was?

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:40 pm

It is possible that it happened, possible that it did not happen.

I am just saying the decision to redevelop Highbury created an extra loan for the club, which meant there was a cashflow problem in the short term, but a profit in the mid-term.

Which is all I have been saying all along.

In my very first thread about the elephant in the room I pointed out precisiely this

As for criticising me for saying I hear things about Wenger from certain people that you do not, it is true.
You just have to take my word for it, or not, it is up to you, makes little difference to me.Many on this Forum hear bits of information, because they live in London, and meet various people who do business with interested parties.Not a criticism of you being in Connecticut, just a fact

Quartz you have consistently stated people's nationalities are not an issue and I accept this without reservation so as long as you don't always have to cover yourself in that regard just so you know.

My criticism is not of you so much as of the manner in which you posit this rather vague and nebulous statement as some sort of fact or hint of fact. Companies put out misinformation and often through their employees. Is that happening here? Who knows? But since clearly you are not discussing what you hearing in detail it is being said in confidence or that is the impression this statement gave, and confidentiality is not always proof of something in fact being true or entirely true.

But consider Wenger's reaction to Pat Rice urging him to make tactical changes at the Spurs home game last season.
Wenger ignored Rice, even though we were doing badly.
It is clear evidence of Wenger's stubborness

,

All it's clear evidence of is he is stubborn about match tactics. Could it be evidence of more tan that? Of course. Does that allow you to suggest that it is? You can suggest what you want but its a disngenuous suggestion at best without some real evidence of this behavior in other areas, and proof that it solely originates with and from the man personally.

As to whether the board intentionally manipulated share price, I do not believe they did so, and I no longer care.
Those concerned are either dead, or have left the board, or are bit-part factors from this point on.

It is history.

Let us see what Kroenke does with his tenure.

Then why defend them and their virtue if its irrelevant and you aren't fully confident that they haven't acted as i suggest? You acknowledge you own uncertainty aboput their conduct and you acknowlwedge you don't care either way. So why bother with all this? Methinks Sir Quartz doth protest too much here.'

If defending their virtue is relevant than the truth is relevant even if and I would strongly debate this even the matter is now as you suggest history. I think you are incorrect there as well

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:08 pm

Thanks Martin for making history! I can move into old age knowing that I genuinely met the worlds biggest wanker in my lifetime!
Well you just carry on ignoring what people post because it provides a valid question against your lifetimes obsession. Ignorant is not the word!

Babu · Post by **Babu** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:12 pm

USMartin wrote:So why bother with all this?

Indeed!

Moving on...

NEW TOPIC...

THINGS TO DO IN SPACE.

wouldn't this be awesome?