Liverpool declared Toxic

[USMartin]

Thanks for the heads up STG.

USMartin

So with you it all comes down to, "People who defend the board, or who do not back my campaign for more openness from the board, are bad people who are dishonest".

I just think you have a personality that fixates on one thing.
Either that or talking about the Arsenal Board on Forums is your hobby.

You could have written academic articles on "The Use of perspective in the paintings of Hieronymous Bosch",

Or a series of reports on "Road surface problems in the Tri-State Area"

Or a website about "Nationalist aspirations in Tajikstan".

For some reason you have chosen the Arsenal Board.



Quiz show Mastermind is brought back to BBC1.
I can see it now.
Hosted by ex world's strongest man Magnus ver Magnusson (Magnus Magnusson having passed away a few years ago).

Contestants:

Name: Mr ****
Specialist Subject: Whitstable

Name: BrazilianGooner
Specialist Subject: Ladyboys of Brazil

Name: DB10Gooner
Specialist Subject: Looking Up at The World

Name: US Martin
Specialist Subject: The Arsenal Board 2005+

Winner - MR ****!

Not for me to say you can or cannot talk about it but having read a load of your posts, I do not think your excessive debates are healthy or constructive or productive for yourself or the others lured into taking part.

You r attempt at humour would be apprecaited more if you left it that.

How cowardly - its not your fault - you're lured in to this! So either you a boy who canoot control his impulses as an adult does., or in fact perhaps you have the psychological issue since apprently you do not pick and choose your actions or reactions to anything yourself.

Who sits down in front of your keyboard turns your compuetr on, opens your internet browser, opens any web page you you surf, responds to any perosn's views in agreement or disagreement, and chooses how to do so? YOU do and NO ONE ELSE. It's the same for me, because that it was adults do.

Little boys try to make other people responsible for what they choose to do instead of taking responsiblity. while I feel - surprise - that because my bannings were not in fact about actually breaking forum rules in my posts that they were unjustified I blame no one for one what happened but me, because I am an adult who chose to post what I did how I did and why I did. No thing made me do anything but that I chose to express my concern as strongly as I did. My bannings were unjustified and unfair but hardly unexpected in retrospect. Caveat emptor. I was aware of what i was doing and the risks in the end, and while again its wrong to ban people for simply not sharing views you believe sadly it will happen.

But in all seriousness if you genuinely believe other people are controlling your actions and choices, contact the NHS and see a mental health professional. Because you are venturing into thm terrirtory of people who say "voices tell them what to do" when you suggest that other people's actions dictate how you choose to act yourself.

You can blame me for how I choose to post and what I choose to post about, but if genuinely believe I am making you choose how you post post you may have very genuine mental health problem. I am not qualified to say for sure, but that is symptomatic of someone unable to control their own actions or behaviors toward others.

The again it could be easier to do that than to take responsibility for your own poor choices in bahavior - such as wihholding information on key discussion points to mis-lead other readers then justifying avoiding pointing out that sagnificant difference by calling it a mere technicality.

[USMartin]

Oh one last thought.

Here's good question - what exactly has changed since then in the club's policies. What's changed since 2007? What's changed since 2006? Seriously tell me what's changed in our policies since then. You're right I have questioned this since 2005 and kept questioning. What geunine answers do we have now that we didn't have then? Or didn't you notice that.

Nothing bar the criticism levelled at the club be it at the manager, the Board or both.

And even then you are correct a majority - albeit significantly smaller than you'd have us believe - still tend to be behind the Board or at least unwilling to seek further information about the reality of what is happening and why.

The fact is if things continue this way you'll be in the minority soon. At which point you'll do the surrender-monkey thing and instead of fighting for what you believe you'll join everyone esle and pretend you were always with them. Once again - it works better than the truth.

Well said Martin

Cheers

[stg]

BY the way my addiction clealry seems every bit your addiction to

???? you asked in a previous post that I go to various forums and look up what you have been saying since 2005 which is what I have done and by reading the other forums there seems to be a pattern which seems to unfortunatly lead to you being banned form the forums.

All I was pointing out is that you have made a point which some do belive and some do not. So now lets move on to one of the many other Arsenal related subjects and pick up this point when it becomes necessary again as I think that at this point in time we are just going around and around in circles.

PS

I do not appreciate the implied quote that I may have a psycholgical disorder

PPS

NEVER EVER compaire me to Alex Ferguson again

[USMartin]

BY the way my addiction clealry seems every bit your addiction to

???? you asked in a previous post that I go to various forums and look up what you have been saying since 2005 which is what I have done and by reading the other forums there seems to be a pattern which seems to unfortunatly lead to you being banned form the forums.

All I was pointing out is that you have made a point which some do belive and some do not. So now lets move on to one of the many other Arsenal related subjects and pick up this point when it becomes necessary again as I think that at this point in time we are just going around and around in circles.

PS

I do not appreciate the implied quote that I may have a psycholgical disorder

PPS

NEVER EVER compaire me to Alex Ferguson again

STG, I am sorry that you take exception to that comment and I apologize to you and to Quartz for the hearing voices line, because it was wrong to include that. It was an attempt to say something without saying something far more specific or stronger in nature, something which I had neither the qualifications or desire to do.

But having said this is you in fact believe, as Quartz has suggested, that any of your behavior has been any less than enitrely your own choice then yes you should contact I am not implying it - I am saying it. if you do genuinely believe that. I am not qualified to say more than this - which I why apologize about that earlier remark - people who say they cannot control their own behavior or life choices may or do have some sort of mental health issues.

Now as I said it may be your attempts to suggest I am making you do what you do are little more than excuse-making at its worst, but if you want to sincerely state your sincere belief that you are not responsible for your own persnal behavior choices I suggest you at least research mental health issues.

Of course it could be just bad excuse-making on your part - as well Quartz's - so you need to decide which it is. For the record I think it's just bad excuse making. I have no reason other than that perception that you present that its not your choice to behave as you do to question otherwise, and I apologize for doing so in the poor manner I did to you and to Quartz.

[stg]

I suggest you at least research mental health issues.

Thats it I have had enough of your fucking snide remarks. I have tried to put a differing point of view to yours, I have done as requested read what you have said for the previous 5 or so years. This is a forum open to open debate and a certain amount of fredom of speech(which is not available on other forums) but implying that people on this forum have mental health issues just takes it over the line.

YOU WILL BE PLEASED TO KNOW THAT I WILL NEVE BOTHER TO READ ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR POSTS AGAIN.

OH AND HERE IS MY THOUGHTS ON THE WHOLE MATTER




:finger:

[mrgnu1958]

[olgitgooner]

Thanks for the heads up STG.

USMartin

So with you it all comes down to, "People who defend the board, or who do not back my campaign for more openness from the board, are bad people who are dishonest".

I just think you have a personality that fixates on one thing.
Either that or talking about the Arsenal Board on Forums is your hobby.

You could have written academic articles on "The Use of perspective in the paintings of Hieronymous Bosch",

Or a series of reports on "Road surface problems in the Tri-State Area"

Or a website about "Nationalist aspirations in Tajikstan".

For some reason you have chosen the Arsenal Board.



Quiz show Mastermind is brought back to BBC1.
I can see it now.
Hosted by ex world's strongest man Magnus ver Magnusson (Magnus Magnusson having passed away a few years ago).

Contestants:

Name: Mr ****
Specialist Subject: Whitstable

Name: BrazilianGooner
Specialist Subject: Ladyboys of Brazil

Name: DB10Gooner
Specialist Subject: Looking Up at The World

Name: US Martin
Specialist Subject: The Arsenal Board 2005+

Winner - MR ****!

Not for me to say you can or cannot talk about it but having read a load of your posts, I do not think your excessive debates are healthy or constructive or productive for yourself or the others lured into taking part.

You r attempt at humour would be apprecaited more if you left it that.

How cowardly - its not your fault - you're lured in to this! So either you a boy who canoot control his impulses as an adult does., or in fact perhaps you have the psychological issue since apprently you do not pick and choose your actions or reactions to anything yourself.

Who sits down in front of your keyboard turns your compuetr on, opens your internet browser, opens any web page you you surf, responds to any perosn's views in agreement or disagreement, and chooses how to do so? YOU do and NO ONE ELSE. It's the same for me, because that it was adults do.

Little boys try to make other people responsible for what they choose to do instead of taking responsiblity. while I feel - surprise - that because my bannings were not in fact about actually breaking forum rules in my posts that they were unjustified I blame no one for one what happened but me, because I am an adult who chose to post what I did how I did and why I did. No thing made me do anything but that I chose to express my concern as strongly as I did. My bannings were unjustified and unfair but hardly unexpected in retrospect. Caveat emptor. I was aware of what i was doing and the risks in the end, and while again its wrong to ban people for simply not sharing views you believe sadly it will happen.

But in all seriousness if you genuinely believe other people are controlling your actions and choices, contact the NHS and see a mental health professional. Because you are venturing into thm terrirtory of people who say "voices tell them what to do" when you suggest that other people's actions dictate how you choose to act yourself.

You can blame me for how I choose to post and what I choose to post about, but if genuinely believe I am making you choose how you post post you may have very genuine mental health problem. I am not qualified to say for sure, but that is symptomatic of someone unable to control their own actions or behaviors toward others.

The again it could be easier to do that than to take responsibility for your own poor choices in bahavior - such as wihholding information on key discussion points to mis-lead other readers then justifying avoiding pointing out that sagnificant difference by calling it a mere technicality.

This is the most insulting (and most childish) post I have ever read.

Well done, Martin. You have surpassed yourself. And, with your track record, that is some feat.

[USMartin]

I suggest you at least research mental health issues.

Thats it I have had enough of your fucking snide remarks. I have tried to put a differing point of view to yours, I have done as requested read what you have said for the previous 5 or so years. This is a forum open to open debate and a certain amount of fredom of speech(which is not available on other forums) but implying that people on this forum have mental health issues just takes it over the line.

YOU WILL BE PLEASED TO KNOW THAT I WILL NEVE BOTHER TO READ ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR POSTS AGAIN.

OH AND HERE IS MY THOUGHTS ON THE WHOLE MATTER




:finger:

STG I almost feel badly, here, though I'm not sure I should.

My earlier remark which I will not repeat now - as we are both aware of it as is anyone else who still reads this - was out of order. It was though not intended in that way was taken as and thus a cheap shot and wrong unfair and even hypociritcal of me and not one of my prouder moments.

I will not however say that the remark spurnbing outrage was in this last post was at all.

It is this simple - you are resposible for the choices you make in your life - just as I am. To attempt to evade responsibility for or to excuse your behavior by blaming me or anyone else for what or how you post or the manners in or ethics with which you choose to post is simply inaccurate unfair and dishonest.


And if you sincerely believe you are not responsible for your personal choices or conduct and actions then yes you you are suggesting you are not responsible for or in control of yourself or your actions, and you in fact are suggesting you may have these sorts of mental health issues.

I am not suggesting that at all. I am suggesting that you are resposnsible for your behavior and choices and should not try to pass them off on anyone else for any reason. It's only if genuinely believe that is true that you would have any concerns about how unhealthy that is. I don't believe that is the case. I believe you you are 100% healthy in every way possible and just don't want to be held accountable for your behavior when it's been wrong or improper. You just don't want to take responsibility for it. And I refuse to because I have enough trouble carrying the weight of my own responsibility for my own actions around.

And I certainly won't let you get away with leaving your responsibility for your choices at my door. So yes - I was bang out of order with that earlier remark and take full repsonsibility for it and apologize for that. But not this.

[USMartin]

I am impressed by the big finger too...

[olgitgooner]

I am impressed by the big finger too...

Oh bollocks!

Another tennis player.

[flash gunner]

I am impressed by the big finger too...

Oh bollocks!

Another tennis player.

Dont dis the clique

[USMartin]

I am impressed by the big finger too...

Oh bollocks!

Another tennis player.

Dont dis the clique

buyt I'm not that kind of tennis player - actually I've been told I'm not much of a tennis player of any kind - I was just impressed by that big finger

[DUFFMAN]

Yes and it was posted three years after my banning and I say I was told by a long-time regular at the forum at the time of the incident that while she felt it was not her place to act on the issue (and I have a very nice e-mail from Mrs Glieber after that confirming as much - and not, for the record referring to her deciding anything in regards to me)that she stated that it would never have happened if Steve had been alive

See - that sort of talk-first attitude is why I want you banned

You talk about childish slanders even as you engage in adult slander and ignorance is no excuse - you could have asked me ahead of time but I guess that's the kind of olgit you really are deep down. You may not have known all the details for sure but why let that get in the way of trying to undermine someone.

You really are an asshole

so you even harass a mother who lost her son about a subject she has no idea/interest in, just to prove youre right and someone else is wrong

and you talk about class?