Apparently we're "not defensively weak"

[badliebenzell]

Can't wait for the new season. Just keep going Arsene, that's it, don't change, and even you won't be able to survive the uproar and vitroil that will be hurled at you once the season starts, and the same old mistakes and failings come out for all to see again.
You are deluded.
Your comments are also an insult to ordinary fans. We are not stupid. Your comments as each month goes by become more and more like the rantings from the lunatic asylum.

[USMartin]

what is the "real problem" then michael moore?

The real problem is too many Gooners have hidden behind the notion that we meeded "definite proof" in order to raise legitimate questions about what is happening and why but needed no such proof to accept whatever we were told without question or objection. Worse than that is that too many Gooners seem content to continue to do the very same thing now..

Do we know exactly what is happening or why? No. But we do know enough to to if not reach firm conslusions ( I would suggest many have done so already and a vatiety of conclusions at that) to at least raise re3asonable questions about what we know.

I can say this with absolute confidence that the facts we all know about was has happened at Arsenal are for more consistent with the concerns I have raised and questions I am asking and no one can dispute that honestly.. Is that definite poroof of anything in itself? No. The problem is that the lack of absolute proof is not proff that there is no reason to raise the qwuestions in the first place, as far too many of us has chosen to take that to be.

The simple truth is all of the theories trying to lay this solely or even primarily at the manager's don't stand up to logical questions such as "why doesn't the Board sack the man then? The Board can't be hard-nosed investors and sympathetic bosses at the same time. They can't be successful investors and incompetent corporate directors at the same time.. You don't make 100 million pound profits by accident or dumb luck alone except in the lottery

And the thing is that simply raising questions can do more to ensure that more money is spent than anything else. These people have big egos, and reputations and legacies to protect, and if we just made them worry about that that could do more to get more money spent on the team - just so we stop raising those questions they don't want raised. On the other hand if we won't raise them on our own no matter what what incentive dom they have to do anything differently?

[TeeCee]

Martin,
You are the most boring, tedious woman I have ever known. Please do us all the biggest favour ever and fuck off, take your dream lover Mr Arsene 'I am a *word censored*' Wenger with you and never come back, either of you.
You ruin this website with your shit and you make me skip through threads because I won't read any of your posts. Please just fuck right off.

[1989]

If he won't sign a CB he better give Bartley a chance over that spineless *word censored* Squillaci.

[flash gunner]

I dont think wenger is a c**t he has just lost the plot. Wenger has been at the club too long and now cant see what is needed. He has to go ASAP

And your proof that our financial policies will definitely change instantly and have no bearing on the next manager's ability to build a better side is...

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[USMartin]

I dont think wenger is a c**t he has just lost the plot. Wenger has been at the club too long and now cant see what is needed. He has to go ASAP

And your proof that our financial policies will definitely change instantly and have no bearing on the next manager's ability to build a better side is...

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I have presented it before I'll happily present it again but we need a serious no-bullshit thread where you wwill present yours as well...though i suspect frankly you have none of any substabce.

I'll say it again you want some sort of 100%b proof to question the Board though you need no such proof to trust them or try to lay it all at Mr. Wenegr's feet..

Without 100% proof no amount of proof matters to you because you simply would rather blame the manager than the Board. This is why you never even attempt to present any sort of proof in their defence - because you know you have none at all that stands up to one simple question - why don't the Board sack him than? And that there is no logical explanation to that question that makes more sense than that sacking him is not in their personal financial interest at this point.

[flash gunner]

I have presented it before I'll happily present it again but we need a serious no-bullshit thread.

Oh no we dont need another one of your long winded bullshit threads, that we're all forced to hijack

[flash gunner]

I dont think wenger is a c**t he has just lost the plot. Wenger has been at the club too long and now cant see what is needed. He has to go ASAP

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I have presented it before I'll happily present it again but we need a serious no-bullshit thread where you wwill present yours as well...though i suspect frankly you have none of any substabce.

I'll say it again you want some sort of 100%b proof to question the Board though you need no such proof to trust them or try to lay it all at Mr. Wenegr's feet..

Without 100% proof no amount of proof matters to you because you simply would rather blame the manager than the Board. This is why you never even attempt to present any sort of proof in their defence - because you know you have none at all that stands up to one simple question - why don't the Board sack him than? And that there is no logical explanation to that question that makes more sense than that sacking him is not in their personal financial interest at this point.

I ASKED WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE WAS, DONT TURN IT ROUND

[USMartin]

I dont think wenger is a c**t he has just lost the plot. Wenger has been at the club too long and now cant see what is needed. He has to go ASAP

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I have presented it before I'll happily present it again but we need a serious no-bullshit thread where you wwill present yours as well...though i suspect frankly you have none of any substabce.

I'll say it again you want some sort of 100%b proof to question the Board though you need no such proof to trust them or try to lay it all at Mr. Wenegr's feet..

Without 100% proof no amount of proof matters to you because you simply would rather blame the manager than the Board. This is why you never even attempt to present any sort of proof in their defence - because you know you have none at all that stands up to one simple question - why don't the Board sack him than? And that there is no logical explanation to that question that makes more sense than that sacking him is not in their personal financial interest at this point.

I ASKED WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE WAS, DONT TURN IT ROUND

It's not a matter of turning it around. I have posted much of my evidence already, and you cannot honestly dispute this. On the other hand were is your evidence? If I were as confident as youseem to be that you're right especially since you don't get the harassment I do when I do post my evidence why not post yours?

We could make it fun...you know you show me yours and I'll show you mine if you're that adventurous

[flash gunner]

SHOW US THE EVIDENCE YOU WERE GOING TO POST "WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK" 3 WEEKS AGO!!! ALL YOU HAVE EVER POSTED IS OPINION NEVER FACT

[USMartin]

Martin,
You are the most boring, tedious woman I have ever known. Please do us all the biggest favour ever and fuck off, take your dream lover Mr Arsene 'I am a c**t' Wenger with you and never come back, either of you.
You ruin this website with your shit and you make me skip through threads because I won't read any of your posts. Please just fuck right off.

Teecee is this you're way of saying you have a crush on me? After all you have suggested recently you are inclined to comnclude Arsene Wenger was offered 50 million pounds a year the last three years and turned it down and no one at the club batted an eyelash but there is no reason to question any of that.

With that in mind I would question that you mean anything you say or that it can or should be taken seriosuly. Hence is this post some sort of weird PDA toward me?

[olgitgooner]

How come we can see all this yet the people whose very financial wealth it would appear hinges on seeing this don't?

When are we going to learn that only when the people who run and or own the club are made to feel some pressure will anyone feel any pressure?

Our only hope now is that Usmanov reaches 30% because then - maybe - he might pressure the club to address these matters - and even then I'm not confident of him doing so.

The money men have won or certainly are winning, and now that is all we are about. We let them win or are letting them win, because apparently that is easier than any alternative that we have considered.

I thought it was supposed to be all-change now under our completely new Board and ownership, instaed now it sounds like no change at all. I'm sorry but how long are we going to pretend the multi-millionaires and now billionaires that have run this club since 2005 aren't selectively competent in their business dealings and that only when they are pressed on them might there be some real change? So long as we insist we have no right to question anything until we are 100% certain of everything what more can we seriously expect from our Club? We give them no incentive whatsoever to do anything differently after all.

You just HAD to do it, didn't you.

[USMartin]

SHOW US THE EVIDENCE YOU WERE GOING TO POST "WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK" 3 WEEKS AGO!!! ALL YOU HAVE EVER POSTED IS OPINION NEVER FACT

Not atb all true. I have posted a vareity of factual evidence - far more certainly than you have shown the ability or desire to.

Frankly it comes down to this. You need definite proof to quesrtion the Board but don't need it to trust them - period. And that is the real problem we have had as supporters. You are willing to show blind fifth in whatever the Board says or does and only question it based on as Quartz said definite proof they should be questioned, and don;'t care if there isn't definite proof that they should not because you simply believed they should not be instinctively.

Why are you afraid to simply show why I am wrong if you know that for sure. If you have definite proof I am wrong share it then, instead of hiding behind the intellectaully dishonest argument that because I do not have 100% evidence of the Board engaging in any misconduct that that is 100% proof they were not. That is a falsehood to suggest that.

The simple truth is you are afraid to post any proof you have because it does not even reach the thrshold of the facts I have already presented and you know it. You are afraid to admit you acted on blind trust and faith even when you might have have seem reason not to because you just bring yourself couldn't question the Board. You are just trying to avoid that admission.

[redstevo]

Groundhog day!!!

[mcdowell42]

I dont think wenger is a c**t he has just lost the plot. Wenger has been at the club too long and now cant see what is needed. He has to go ASAP

And your proof that our financial policies will definitely change instantly and have no bearing on the next manager's ability to build a better side is...

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I have presented it before I'll happily present it again but we need a serious no-bullshit thread where you wwill present yours as well...though i suspect frankly you have none of any substabce.

I'll say it again you want some sort of 100%b proof to question the Board though you need no such proof to trust them or try to lay it all at Mr. Wenegr's feet..

Without 100% proof no amount of proof matters to you because you simply would rather blame the manager than the Board. This is why you never even attempt to present any sort of proof in their defence - because you know you have none at all that stands up to one simple question - why don't the Board sack him than? And that there is no logical explanation to that question that makes more sense than that sacking him is not in their personal financial interest at this point.

This started off as a serious no bullshit thread until you started to hijack once again another thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with the board you retarded moron.