Apparently we're "not defensively weak"

redstevo · Post by **redstevo** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:06 pm

Don't feed the troll!!

Post by **flash gunner** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:07 pm

USMartin wrote:
flash gunner wrote:SHOW US THE EVIDENCE YOU WERE GOING TO POST "WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK" 3 WEEKS AGO!!! ALL YOU HAVE EVER POSTED IS OPINION NEVER FACT
Not atb all true. I have posted a vareity of factual evidence - far more certainly than you have shown the ability or desire to.

Frankly it comes down to this. You need definite proof to quesrtion the Board but don't need it to trust them - period. And that is the real problem we have had as supporters. You are willing to show blind fifth in whatever the Board says or does and only question it based on as Quartz said definite proof they should be questioned, and don;'t care if there isn't definite proof that they should not because you simply believed they should not be instinctively.

Why are you afraid to simply show why I am wrong if you know that for sure. If you have definite proof I am wrong share it then, instead of hiding behind the intellectaully dishonest argument that because I do not have 100% evidence of the Board engaging in any misconduct that that is 100% proof they were not. That is a falsehood to suggest that.

The simple truth is you are afraid to post any proof you have because it does not even reach the thrshold of the facts I have already presented and you know it. You are afraid to admit you acted on blind trust and faith even when you might have have seem reason not to because you just bring yourself couldn't question the Board. You are just trying to avoid that admission.

I ASKED WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE WAS, DONT TURN IT ROUND

olgitgooner · Post by **olgitgooner** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:10 pm

Jesus H Christ!

This thread is titled....

"Apparently we're "not defensively weak""

First page in......eight posts made.....along comes marty to hijack the fucker AGAIN.

You mods have the patience of all the saints put together.

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:11 pm

Marty I have no problem with raising questions about the direction our club is run, and what role the board have played in the way we operate in the transfer market .
but I DO have a problem with you hijacking almost every wenger thread, and giving out verbal abuse and trying to find excuses for wenger whenever he is abused on here. We don't need to present proof for wenger's tightness because it is apparent to anyone that he is scared of spending the money he has. him pretending we don't have much money is his weak excuse that gives people like you to forgive and go on about the stadium move and are so calle debts

Post by **flash gunner** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:11 pm

olgitgooner wrote:Jesus H Christ!

This thread is titled....

"Apparently we're "not defensively weak""

First page in......eight posts made.....along comes marty to hijack the fucker AGAIN.

You mods have the patience of all the saints put together.

Agreed

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:23 pm

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:Marty I have no problem with raising questions about the direction our club is run, and what role the board have played in the way we operate in the transfer market .
but I DO have a problem with you hijacking almost every wenger thread, and giving out verbal abuse and trying to find excuses for wenger whenever he is abused on here. We don't need to present proof for wenger's tightness because it is apparent to anyone that he is scared of spending the money he has. him pretending we don't have much money is his weak excuse that gives people like you to forgive and go on about the stadium move and are so calle debts

So you have no problem with threads that may unfairly or falsely condemn the manager or worse still mis-lead supporters to noit question what the real issues our club faces might be. Yes or no?

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:25 pm

It just goes right over his head

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:38 pm

USMartin wrote: So you have no problem with threads that may unfairly or falsely condemn the manager or worse still mis-lead supporters to noit question what the real issues our club faces might be. Yes or no?

I have no problem because either way wenger is to blame . If the board hold back money why is wenger feeding us all this bs about getting better every year, about us being a able to challenge for trophies? He should tell us our financial situation and at least try to replace players we've solely missed since they left (ade, kolo, gilberto, pv4)

why do we need to spend centuries deliberating who is to blame ? we may never know , either way I'm sick of our club AND wengers embarassing shit. now shut the fuck up and bore your family instead, there used to be a football forum here and we want it back

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:46 pm

Okay Henry if Arsene Wenger is afraid to spend more money why wasn't he afraid to do this fron 1998-2005/ Why did this just suddenly happen when it did? Coindience? Accident?

Better still why hasn't the Board dealt with this at some point in the last six years? I mean if you know this then surely the Board must know it? Yet they signed him to two extensions when they had to know he was afraid to spend money you seem to be suggesting they wanted spent. Why would they do that and do it twice without at least knowing whether they could countt on him to spend more money like they wished?

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:52 pm

Okay Henry if Arsene Wenger is afraid to spend more money why wasn't he afraid to do this fron 1998-2005/ Why did this just suddenly happen when it did? Coindience? Accident?

are you fucking serious marty? wenger hardly ever spent big money back then. the back four were inherited. viera costed 4m , henry 10m, campbell was a free, dennis was already there, pires 3m from marseille , gilberto was free too, edu as well, right? cole was inherited .
Wiltord was the only big signing but he only costed as much as AA23. Wenger ALWAYS had a penny pinching habit. the new stadium was not a huge dent on our spending believe it or not. the club will use this excuse, but I bet if we ever dropped out of europe we'd be spending money like anyone . I am almost sure we have huge reserves tucked away somewhere.

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:55 pm

US marty only started following arsenal in 2006.

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:04 pm

In US Retards world, no-one is allowed to change, hence anyone who smoked in 1999 must smoke now, anyone who had a weight problem back in 2001 must now weigh at least 25 stone.........here's the real deal breaker for you US Retard.......Was Arsene Wenger shagging a french bird behind his missus' back in 1998?.........or do you think that's something that may have developed afterwards?......a bit like his attitude to buying players?
It's not difficult for normal people to understand you fucktard, people change.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:13 pm

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:
Okay Henry if Arsene Wenger is afraid to spend more money why wasn't he afraid to do this fron 1998-2005/ Why did this just suddenly happen when it did? Coindience? Accident?
are you fucking serious marty? wenger hardly ever spent big money back then. the back four were inherited. viera costed 4m , henry 10m, campbell was a free, dennis was already there, pires 3m from marseille , gilberto was free too, edu as well, right? cole was inherited .
Wiltord was the only big signing but he only costed as much as AA23. Wenger ALWAYS had a penny pinching habit. the new stadium was not a huge dent on our spending believe it or not. the club will use this excuse, but I bet if we ever dropped out of europe we'd be spending money like anyone . I am almost sure we have huge reserves tucked away somewhere.

That was relatively big money then - certainly at Arsenal. It was ten million pounds a year more than he spends now.

Unless yopu are suggesting we should be spending like Chelsea or Man City now or were spending like Chelsea or Man United before the point is he was spending sgnificantly more prior to 2005 than he has since then, and that what he pspent was significantly more factually than any previous Arsenal manager and was in line with what George Graham and others were spending relatively.

What Arsenal manager spent more than Arsene Wenger fron 1998-2005 both factually and relaltively in the last three decades (Since 1981 since that would be three decades)

We can both agree that Arsene Wenger didn't spend big like other managers - at other clubs You can't name one Modern-Era Arsenal Manager who factually or even relatively spent as much he did from 1998-2005. The issue is what has happened since 2005 and why? Why did we go from spending 5 million a year to profiting 5 million a year? The 10 million pound shift in spending could have bought one more Tom Vermaelen-quality player each of the last six years. I know the old aying about "fool me twice..." but do you really believe he's just fooled our Board six times over?

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:23 pm

TeeCee wrote:In US Retards world, no-one is allowed to change, hence anyone who smoked in 1999 must smoke now, anyone who had a weight problem back in 2001 must now weigh at least 25 stone.........here's the real deal breaker for you US Retard.......Was Arsene Wenger shagging a french bird behind his missus' back in 1998?.........or do you think that's something that may have developed afterwards?......a bit like his attitude to buying players?
It's not difficult for normal people to understand you fucktard, people change.

I had no idea you have such contempt for the mentally-challanged. You must be so proud of that attitude.

As to your question - who knows? That is his prerosnal and family life and would hold no interest to me ultimtately. I know you have no way of knowing the answer either and that says everything about you.

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:28 pm

That was relatively big money then - certainly at Arsenal. It was ten million pounds a year more than he spends now.

We spent Â£8.5m on gervinho this summer.

I've read almost every post you've made on here and you have some interesting points . however I will disagree on your main theory because we all know arsene calls the shots- he wouldn't have it any other way.
he cheated on his wife, comes out with embarassing excuses and is antics on the touchline added to that the bollocks he came out with "I'd be happy finishing 2nd for twenty years" suggests to me his passion has gone and his project has driven him crazy, a bit like your obsession with the board and your idea that we can't condemn wenger until we have proof blah blah .
lifes too short marty.
I love arsenal more than I love trying to proove you wrong and searching for evidence .

I'm going to bed, I suggest you try and recover from your mental breakdown by throwing away the pc and locking yourself in the garage.