Gunners capture Campbell

OneBardGooner · Post by **OneBardGooner** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:12 pm

MM99 wrote:
OneBardGooner wrote: we need someone to 'do the business' in such circumstances so that the deal doesn't fall through...Dein used to look after all of that...so we need someone to take charge of the wheeling/Dealing to ensure if we ARE signing someone we don't fuck up...
We did have someone there; Richard Law. He's a part of Gazidis' team and has been a scouting consultant for many years with us and since 2009 has been acting as head of scouting operations in South and Central America. So we hardly sent a 'nobody' out there to do our business for us.

I bow to your superior knowledge.

well sadly he didn't seem to do too good a job on that one...mind you the kids father and agent seemed intent on the short term wonga than his long term success.....just a pity.

worthing_gooner · Post by **worthing_gooner** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:19 pm

The big thing with our youth policy as someone mentioned earlier is that we lack the experienced players to bring the youth players through.

It's hugely important that we use the knowledge of an experienced player to guide younger players but its something Arsenal have missed out on time and time again.

All jokes aside, how much better might Denilson be now if he'd spent the last two or three seasons learning from Gilberto?

How much better might Walcott be if we'd retained Henry?

What about Diaby if he'd spent the last couple of years learning from Vieira?

Obviously sometimes it makes financial sense to let these players go, but even if that's the case, it is crucial we replace these players with more experience but that is something Wenger has never done.

Experience is hugely underestimated at Arsenal. None of these players have ever won anything in their careers and it shows.

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:20 pm

Selsdon

Not deliberately missing anything!

I think that Wenger's Youth Policy, as championed in the media and popular opinion, was never totally about building a team of players who had been at the club since they were seven.

It has been much more about buying in teenagers and (perhaps overlooked) early twenties players from other clubs and developing them i.e.

Wreh, Boa Morte, Anelka, Vieira, Toure, Djourou, Svard, Cesc, Pennant, Senderos, Eboue, Walcott, Diaby, Denilson, Ramsey, Merida, Nordveit etc.... to differing degrees of success.

MM99 · Post by **MM99** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:27 pm

OneBardGooner wrote:I bow to your superior knowledge. well sadly he didn't seem to do too good a job on that one...mind you the kids father and agent seemed intent on the short term wonga than his long term success.....just a pity.

I agree, there seems to be something fishy about this kid's father and i'd be quite interested to know the real reason why they pulled out suddenly...

StuartL · Post by **StuartL** » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:49 pm

selsdon wrote:I think you're deliberatly missing my point Quartz.

Every club needs a youth policy, George Graham pissed all over Wengers with the likes of Adams, Rocky, Thomas, Merse bringing massive success to the club. Look at Utd: Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, Neville and Barca now.

My argument is against the myth of Wenger's youth policy. It's produced two regular first team players in 15 yrs. It's spin, bullshit and lies to go with the rest of the spin, bullshit and lies and the sheep lap it up and in doing so drag my club further and further down.

We have to admit that Wenger has failed in his project, he cannot hold on to his best players, he cannot attract (for whatever reason) top drawer players, he cannot motivate, he cannot lead, he cannot change.

Rip it up and start again.

I think the youth policy gets so much attention due to our carling cup side regularly featuring "kids" who have played and beaten the likes of premiership teams Liverpool away, Everton away, wba, wolves, etc over the years with some of the performances quite stunning.

On top of that the youth team led by Wilshere won the league and cup double while playing teams a year or two older (which is quite a difference at that young age)

However, to expect the whole team to go on and become regulars at Arsenal is too much to hope for - if 1 or 2 make it every other season then the club have done well.

The rest may make a good career in football - just not at Arsenal, no shame in that. Stokes, Larsson, Pennant, Bentley, Mwamba,

From our youth team set up many have become part of the current first team squad, Cesc, Szezney, Gibbs, Djorou, Song, Vela

while others haven't made it - Randall, Aliadiere, Gilbert, Hoyte, Lupoli

others have yet to get their chance - JET and Lansbury, Coquelin, Afobe, Aneke etc.

It is overhyped by the media but how many decent players have come through the spud ranks for example over the last 3/4 years ?

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:20 am

Gunnerblog says transfer is back on, but no work permit has been guaranteed yet.

http://gunnerblog.com/

marcengels · Post by **marcengels** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:25 am

StuartL wrote:
From our youth team set up many have become part of the current first team squad, Cesc, Szezney, Gibbs, Djorou, Song, Vela

Well, that's stretching our youth set up. In both that many weren't produced by us, and a few of those are let's say...shit.

Post by **flash gunner** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:32 am

QuartzGooner wrote:Gunnerblog says transfer is back on, but no work permit has been guaranteed yet.

http://gunnerblog.com/

Not wanted by the other clubs so comes crawling back? Id tell him to fuck off too, we dont need players like that

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:53 am

Well said Flash, though maybe he decided he wanted to come to Arsenal rather than his stupid fucking Father.

Post by **flash gunner** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:01 am

rigsby wrote:Well said Flash, though maybe he decided he wanted to come to Arsenal rather than his stupid fucking Father.

I agree but his father is likely to be an influence in one way or another thoughout his career, that would be no good to me

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:34 am

Yeah, lookm at Anelka and his stupid brothers.

the playing mantis · Post by **the playing mantis** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:55 am

ramsey only chose us over utd as we offered him 3 times more in wages!

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:29 pm

Not really mate. We pulled out all the stops to sign Rambo, Wenger flew him in a private jet with him.

Captain Fabregas · Post by **Captain Fabregas** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:42 pm

Yep, we have got campell!

Number 5 · Post by **Number 5** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:21 pm

selsdon wrote:Every club needs a youth policy, George Graham pissed all over Wengers with the likes of Adams, Rocky, Thomas, Merse bringing massive success to the club.

No it didn't.

Surely Grahams youth policy was Hillier, Selley, Morrow, Campbell?

All the guys you mention were products of Terry Neil/Don Howe no?

Graham might have got the best of them, but by no means was he responisible for bringing them through.