As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
rigsby wrote:Mata staying at Valencia according to his manager.
Terrible business by Valencia given their debt situation.
And we are saying that cesc and nasri are staying with us as well - we all know that money talks so if (and that is a huge if ) we put in a decent/respectful offer then I believe mata is still getable. Of course in all likelihood the *word censored* in charge wont try and buy him or will offer 5.99 and an out of date twix bar for his services
I think this is probably the worst summer ever. Last year at least we signed some fucking players. The failure to address the HUGE problems in the team is baffling. This will be looked upon as the summer in which Wenger fucked up his job.
Bergkamp-Genius wrote:Looks like Diarra is available from Madrid ...i know we could do better but i know we won't... He'd definitelty be an upgrade on Song, give us a lot more pace, drive and bite in the middle...
Diarra's situation was managed really badly. He was impatient but his performances in the cup merited more starts and we did promise him first team football when he left chelsea, which we didn't give him, so I dont blame him for wanting to go.
franksav63 wrote:
There's no way 3-4 of this present squad would make the invincibles, who do you think they are anyway? I think only Cesc would make THE SQUAD, and that's it.
I think
Sagna
Vermaelen
Song
Wilshere
Cesc
Ramsey
RvP
Walcott
Arshavin
would all make the Invincibles squad.
The squad included
Cygan
Aliadiere
Jerome Thomas
Jeffers
Van Bronkhorst
Tavliridis
Hmmm, well yes you've quoted all first team regulars from this era and then quoted 6 players who hardly played a game in The Invincibles season... let's face it Q.G., the first team players that are playing 30-40 games for us now, would hardly get a sniff of any first team action during that season and I think that shows how far we've fallen behind.
Hmmmm indeed.
You made a point of saying current players would not even make the SQUAD, you did not mention the first team.
If it is first choice first team then I agree with you, Cesc would in my opinion be better than Gilberto, and that's it.
The rest would make the bench.
As for Diarra I am goign to defend Wenger on that one.
Diarra was creating trouble at the training ground, badmouthing Wenger to other players to the extent it was annoying the other players and so he was sold on.
It can equally be argued that Diarra just had to sit tight for the second half of the season, he was getting games anyway sometimes in midfield sometimes at right back. There was no way he was going to dislodge Flamini considering the form Flamini was in, but the next season Diarra should have been a shoe in next to Cesc.
franksav63 wrote:
There's no way 3-4 of this present squad would make the invincibles, who do you think they are anyway? I think only Cesc would make THE SQUAD, and that's it.
I think
Sagna
Vermaelen
Song
Wilshere
Cesc
Ramsey
RvP
Walcott
Arshavin
would all make the Invincibles squad.
The squad included
Cygan
Aliadiere
Jerome Thomas
Jeffers
Van Bronkhorst
Tavliridis
Hmmm, well yes you've quoted all first team regulars from this era and then quoted 6 players who hardly played a game in The Invincibles season... let's face it Q.G., the first team players that are playing 30-40 games for us now, would hardly get a sniff of any first team action during that season and I think that shows how far we've fallen behind.
Hmmmm indeed.
You made a point of saying current players would not even make the SQUAD, you did not mention the first team.
If it is first choice first team then I agree with you, Cesc would in my opinion be better than Gilberto, and that's it.
The rest would make the bench.
As for Diarra, he was creating trouble at the training ground, badmouthing Wenger to other players to the extent it was annoying the other players and so he was sold on.
i think robin van persie is better than wiltord (who played a lot of games) even if a different player
i also think sagna is a LOT better than lauren, specially a better defender
franksav63 wrote:
There's no way 3-4 of this present squad would make the invincibles, who do you think they are anyway? I think only Cesc would make THE SQUAD, and that's it.
I think
Sagna
Vermaelen
Song
Wilshere
Cesc
Ramsey
RvP
Walcott
Arshavin
would all make the Invincibles squad.
The squad included
Cygan
Aliadiere
Jerome Thomas
Jeffers
Van Bronkhorst
Tavliridis
Hmmm, well yes you've quoted all first team regulars from this era and then quoted 6 players who hardly played a game in The Invincibles season... let's face it Q.G., the first team players that are playing 30-40 games for us now, would hardly get a sniff of any first team action during that season and I think that shows how far we've fallen behind.
Hmmmm indeed.
You made a point of saying current players would not even make the SQUAD, you did not mention the first team.
If it is first choice first team then I agree with you, Cesc would in my opinion be better than Gilberto, and that's it.
The rest would make the bench.
As for Diarra, he was creating trouble at the training ground, badmouthing Wenger to other players to the extent it was annoying the other players and so he was sold on.
i think robin van persie is better than wiltord (who played a lot of games) even if a different player
i also think sagna is a LOT better than lauren, specially a better defender
Was just thinking this, but although he played a lot of games he didn't start that many. I don't think you'd put him in that starting XI to be fair although he'd be close.
The last few years have been littered with negligence, that's what Wenger is guilty of, not sabotage.
The Flamini/Diarra situation was handled pathetically. Wenger should have said to Flamini 6 months before the end of the season that he either signs a new contract or sits on the bench for the rest of the season and Diarra plays. That's a win win situation for Arsenal and we end up with one or the other being our regular CM.
Wengers continued refusal to address the defensive problems over the course of YEARS is negligent. In any other business, a manager who refuses to address the main issue causing his 'team' to fail would be sacked or at worst taken to one side and given an ultimatum.
To reward under-performing, below average players with extremely lucrative contracts to breed 'loyalty' is disgraceful and shows a real lack of respect for the club. Wenger wants his players to love him because it constantly strengthens his position and has led to the 'if Wenger leaves so will our best players' comments over the last few years......which we all now know is such a joke because most are completely fed up anyway.
I can't be arsed to go on, but just to say that on top of the above, the bare faced lies that the man has told over the last few years shows UTTER disrespect and contempt for the fans of Arsenal football club and when you couple those lies with the comments such as how 'if you haven't worked in football you don't know what you are talking about', for me the man is nothing more than a disgrace, a fraudster, a liar and a fool.
play him and show the cnuts barca they can piss off
What a great story! Arsenal might play their captain in a match.
Thats not the point though is it? If there is a deal in plce then that would scupper Barca's chance of playing him in the Champs lge. The point is we havent recvd the right offer. Hence yes ofcourse he has to play
play him and show the cnuts barca they can piss off
What a great story! Arsenal might play their captain in a match.
Thats not the point though is it? If there is a deal in plce then that would scupper Barca's chance of playing him in the Champs lge. The point is we havent recvd the right offer. Hence yes ofcourse he has to play
That would be fucking hilarious....bring him on for 20 seconds and kill the deal Fuck off Barca - they're getting him on the bloody cheap anyway
worthing_gooner wrote:Diarra's situation was managed really badly. He was impatient but his performances in the cup merited more starts and we did promise him first team football when he left chelsea, which we didn't give him, so I dont blame him for wanting to go.
What I don't understand, is why we just didn't say no. It's not like going on strike would have helped him out, is it???
Just get the feeling that this is part of the cotton-wool guide to performance management this club has at the moment
) we put in a decent/respectful offer then I believe mata is still getable. Of course in all likelihood the *word censored* in charge wont try and buy him or will offer 5.99 and an out of date twix bar for his services 
Fuck off Barca - they're getting him on the bloody cheap anyway
I'd say its pretty ironic that Admin / a Mod would change my post to c**t, when in fact only a c**t would do something like that. 