Protest at Swansea Match

[butcher boy]

A simple way to protest is fans stay behind for 15 mins after game, surely those who care can spare 15 mins. If a few hundred start, next game could well be a few thousand

[arsenal1970]

Let's out number the pricks who call themselves the red action group!!

Pricks? Sounds like you're the fuckin prick, mate.

I suggest you contact REDaction directly if you are serious about this. However, as I suspect you are just logging on to have a moan and won't actually go through with this, you probably won't bother.

If you care to do some research on REDaction, instead of typing out ill conceived ideas about a fans group you clearly know zero about, you will save us all a lot of time.

If you care to look at there site you will see them sticking there heads in the sand.
They are happy to jog along to Arsenal's tune as long as they don't have to sit down!!
Thet are apparently there to promote a good atmosphere within the ground.....Did not do much of a job at the Liverpool game then did they!!!

Where are they now when we need them????

No where to be seen

[digger]

A simple way to protest is fans stay behind for 15 mins after game, surely those who care can spare 15 mins. If a few hundred start, next game could well be a few thousand

What, and have to queue for a tube?

[alanalansunderland]

I thought we had made REDactions standpoint perfectly clear as per our statement of the other week.

Again people making criticisms or assumptions without knowing what they are talking about or indeed even bothering to try and find out.

We will continue to support the players on the pitch, whoever they are.

The original and ongoing basic aim of REDaction is to 'try' and improve the atmosphere at games.

As individuals within the group we all have views on the current state of the club and I can assure you that they are many and varied but we are all members of various other groups as well ie AST, BSM, AISA etc and voice those views through those organisations. Once we are through the gate we want to support the team.

I did witness the 'altercation' in block 6 which I presume was with 'duffman'. It was all fairly restrained in my opinion - some people started chanting one thing and then they were drowned out by the majority. Unfortunately duffman your views at that time were in the minority and if you can't accept that then thats your problem. Of course the flipside is true if and when your views become the majority then others will have to acept your views and make their decisions from there.

Until that time you are perfectly entitled to voice your opinion of course.

VTH

Alan

[RoscommonGooner]

I thought we had made REDactions standpoint perfectly clear as per our statement of the other week.

Again people making criticisms or assumptions without knowing what they are talking about or indeed even bothering to try and find out.

We will continue to support the players on the pitch, whoever they are.

The original and ongoing basic aim of REDaction is to 'try' and improve the atmosphere at games.

As individuals within the group we all have views on the current state of the club and I can assure you that they are many and varied but we are all members of various other groups as well ie AST, BSM, AISA etc and voice those views through those organisations. Once we are through the gate we want to support the team.

I did witness the 'altercation' in block 6 which I presume was with 'duffman'. It was all fairly restrained in my opinion - some people started chanting one thing and then they were drowned out by the majority. Unfortunately duffman your views at that time were in the minority and if you can't accept that then thats your problem. Of course the flipside is true if and when your views become the majority then others will have to acept your views and make their decisions from there.

Until that time you are perfectly entitled to voice your opinion of course.

VTH

Alan

I've read and re-read that bit a few times and still cannot figure out what you are saying

if and when your views become the majority then others will have to acept your views

Should people not have an open mind to all views and make up their own minds or should they just follow like sheep

[alanalansunderland]

Let's out number the pricks who call themselves the red action group!!

Pricks? Sounds like you're the fuckin prick, mate.

I suggest you contact REDaction directly if you are serious about this. However, as I suspect you are just logging on to have a moan and won't actually go through with this, you probably won't bother.

If you care to do some research on REDaction, instead of typing out ill conceived ideas about a fans group you clearly know zero about, you will save us all a lot of time.

If you care to look at there site you will see them sticking there heads in the sand.
They are happy to jog along to Arsenal's tune as long as they don't have to sit down!!
Thet are apparently there to promote a good atmosphere within the ground.....Did not do much of a job at the Liverpool game then did they!!!

Where are they now when we need them????

No where to be seen

Were you at the game on Saturday?

I question only because most who were said that the atmosphere was far better than they expected.

I cannot see why in particular you are singling out REDaction for criticism on this issue, we have made our position clear. There are far more 'politically' motivated organisations that represent supporters and they will no doubt voice their opinions in the coming weeks. In fact I am pretty sure that they have all come out and said they will wait until after the transfer window has shut before making their views known.

If that standpoint is not enough for you then you must organise yourself and call all your supporters to arms. I for one would not call you a 'prick' for doing so as it is your right to do so and also of course I do not know you personally well enough to assess your personality as such.

[alanalansunderland]

I thought we had made REDactions standpoint perfectly clear as per our statement of the other week.

Again people making criticisms or assumptions without knowing what they are talking about or indeed even bothering to try and find out.

We will continue to support the players on the pitch, whoever they are.

The original and ongoing basic aim of REDaction is to 'try' and improve the atmosphere at games.

As individuals within the group we all have views on the current state of the club and I can assure you that they are many and varied but we are all members of various other groups as well ie AST, BSM, AISA etc and voice those views through those organisations. Once we are through the gate we want to support the team.

I did witness the 'altercation' in block 6 which I presume was with 'duffman'. It was all fairly restrained in my opinion - some people started chanting one thing and then they were drowned out by the majority. Unfortunately duffman your views at that time were in the minority and if you can't accept that then thats your problem. Of course the flipside is true if and when your views become the majority then others will have to acept your views and make their decisions from there.

Until that time you are perfectly entitled to voice your opinion of course.

VTH

Alan

I've read and re-read that bit a few times and still cannot figure out what you are saying

if and when your views become the majority then others will have to acept your views

Should people not have an open mind to all views and make up their own minds or should they just follow like sheep

Yeah sorry not very clear (trying to actually do some work as well as this ). I totally agree with people having open minds, I am not saying either side is right or wrong and that both sides are entitled to their opinions. However they were in the minority on Saturday, as I said that may well change as events unfold, and we live in a society of majority rule. So please feel free to have your say and to continue to have your say but if you are in the minority then you have to accept that is your position unless the circumstances change.

[flash gunner]

AlanAlan i have had probs with redAction before and we have been over it a few times and i must admit i respect what you do more now than anytime before but my problem comes from your recent statement of being a atmosphere improving group only.....

Where was this train of thought when you organised a pro-Wenger march 3 or so years ago with 'Real fans have Real patience' even though it was a play on words after Wenger flirted with Real Madrid it was almost saying anyone who doesnt have patience isnt a real fan with everyone wearing I heart AW t-shirts....or when redAction were marching with anti-Usmanov banners a few months later.

It seems when things were going well or the manager/board were almost 100% respected you went along with that and now its almost 50/50 youre now only interested in atmosphere.

As i said im not digging at you for no reason and i realise the 6 main organisers work hard just a couple of differing messages over the last few years

[GoonerN5]

A simple way to protest is fans stay behind for 15 mins after game, surely those who care can spare 15 mins. If a few hundred start, next game could well be a few thousand

Theres not normally a few hundred left with 5 mins to go let alone at the final whistle

[Bring Back Pires]

A simple way to protest is fans stay behind for 15 mins after game, surely those who care can spare 15 mins. If a few hundred start, next game could well be a few thousand

Theres not normally a few hundred left with 5 mins to go let alone at the final whistle

And if it starts raining then most will leave at half time.

[alanalansunderland]

AlanAlan i have had probs with redAction before and we have been over it a few times and i must admit i respect what you do more now than anytime before but my problem comes from your recent statement of being a atmosphere improving group only.....

Where was this train of thought when you organised a pro-Wenger march 3 or so years ago with 'Real fans have Real patience' even though it was a play on words after Wenger flirted with Real Madrid it was almost saying anyone who doesnt have patience isnt a real fan with everyone wearing I heart AW t-shirts....or when redAction were marching with anti-Usmanov banners a few months later.

It seems when things were going well or the manager/board were almost 100% respected you went along with that and now its almost 50/50 youre now only interested in atmosphere.

As i said im not digging at you for no reason and i realise the 6 main organisers work hard just a couple of differing messages over the last few years

All fair points and basically I think we got our 'fingers burned' on both those issues to a certain extent, although some of your assumptions about them are wrong.

We decided with the rise the rise of the AST and BSM and to a certain extent the 're-birth' of the AISA that these organisations were better at the 'lobbying' side of things and that it was time we returned to our core values if you like.

I don't think any of the main group are burying their heads about other issues we are just using other organisations to voice our opinions. Meanwhile we are all working hard at the various issues inside the ground that I think everyone views as 'spoiling' their days.

[flash gunner]

AlanAlan i have had probs with redAction before and we have been over it a few times and i must admit i respect what you do more now than anytime before but my problem comes from your recent statement of being a atmosphere improving group only.....

Where was this train of thought when you organised a pro-Wenger march 3 or so years ago with 'Real fans have Real patience' even though it was a play on words after Wenger flirted with Real Madrid it was almost saying anyone who doesnt have patience isnt a real fan with everyone wearing I heart AW t-shirts....or when redAction were marching with anti-Usmanov banners a few months later.

It seems when things were going well or the manager/board were almost 100% respected you went along with that and now its almost 50/50 youre now only interested in atmosphere.

As i said im not digging at you for no reason and i realise the 6 main organisers work hard just a couple of differing messages over the last few years

All fair points and basically I think we got our 'fingers burned' on both those issues to a certain extent, although some of your assumptions about them are wrong.

We decided with the rise the rise of the AST and BSM and to a certain extent the 're-birth' of the AISA that these organisations were better at the 'lobbying' side of things and that it was time we returned to our core values if you like.

I don't think any of the main group are burying their heads about other issues we are just using other organisations to voice our opinions. Meanwhile we are all working hard at the various issues inside the ground that I think everyone views as 'spoiling' their days.

Fair enough thanks for replying

[augie]

Alanalan I have to say that if anything I thought that the atmosphere on saturday was shockingly muted for the most part and only really got any bit vocal when the ref was screwing us with his decisions I am not saying that the lack of atmosphere was redaction's fault cos the weather and negative vibe around the club played a big part but still wouldnt say it was good

[alanalansunderland]

Augie - interesting, where were you seated?

Block 6 was definitely a lot more lively and in fact the whole North Bank seemed to be far more 'up for it' than normal.

It still wasn't brilliant but it was definitely better imo.

[augie]

Augie - interesting, where were you seated?

Block 6 was definitely a lot more lively and in fact the whole North Bank seemed to be far more 'up for it' than normal.

It still wasn't brilliant but it was definitely better imo.

Was in the other corner of the north bank at the corner flag, 6 rows from the front, and we got pissed on with the rain