Ticket Demand Falling ?
Silver membership is fine, but on the odd occasion that we do get to a cup final the Gold does come in rather handy.....terry henry wrote:Fair play sir. I'm silver member too, so have no interest in a ST at all. Silver > Gold easily, unless you want to sit in the same seat every game of course, but I couldn't care less about that.TeeCee wrote:No I won'tBet you will miss it later on.I'm guaranteed a ticket for every home match on my silver 'bond' membership! Good thing is, I'm also not commited to buying any either
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MK - Very true mate, and to be honest, once upon a time that would have been enough to keep me as a ST. However, not only do I think a final is beyond this current team now, there are so many ST holders these days that it goes to a ballot unless you get to most of the away games as well.Silver membership is fine, but on the odd occasion that we do get to a cup final the Gold does come in rather handy.....
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To be fair, chelsea were doing this in a 40k capacity stadium while winning titlesDan_85 wrote:Oh, how Arsenal used to take the moral high ground about "no league games ever go to general sale". How we laughed at Chelsea flogging their tickets in The Daily Mail & on bus shelters.
What ye sow, so shall ye reap.
Re: Ticket Demand Falling ?
Blackburn away is probably partly because of the time, I would like to go but cannot make it up there sensibly on the day.
But in general demand has been falling for the past couple of seasosn, first season at new stadium any tickets were hard to get now most home tickets are easy for a red member.
But in general demand has been falling for the past couple of seasosn, first season at new stadium any tickets were hard to get now most home tickets are easy for a red member.
THE CLUB DO NOT GIVE A SHIT
Im not sure they give a toss about season ticket holders.
They long figured out that your average ST doesnt buy much in the way of overpriced f+b and crap gear from the armoury,
They can sell expensive packages to foreign supporters groups who will fill their boots at the armoury too ,
In the past foreign supporters clubs could only get very few tickets which you had to book up ages in advance.
They offered us 24 seats for a match in October before the season started.
At present most of the gaps at the Arsenal are ST no shows ,only when we start to not shift the tickets will they start to panic
They long figured out that your average ST doesnt buy much in the way of overpriced f+b and crap gear from the armoury,
They can sell expensive packages to foreign supporters groups who will fill their boots at the armoury too ,
In the past foreign supporters clubs could only get very few tickets which you had to book up ages in advance.
They offered us 24 seats for a match in October before the season started.
At present most of the gaps at the Arsenal are ST no shows ,only when we start to not shift the tickets will they start to panic
10 away match credits (and I think is over a 2 or maybe even 3 year period) would fairly much guarantee you a ticket for a cup final as a ST holder.TeeCee wrote:MK - Very true mate, and to be honest, once upon a time that would have been enough to keep me as a ST. However, not only do I think a final is beyond this current team now, there are so many ST holders these days that it goes to a ballot unless you get to most of the away games as well.Silver membership is fine, but on the odd occasion that we do get to a cup final the Gold does come in rather handy.....
I genuinely think the bubble is, very slowly, starting to burst. SAFC have had a shit start to the season as well, but even despite that you'd expect a cracking crowd for the visit of Chelsea. Currently looks like we'll be lucky to drag in 38,000 for the game. Fans are starting to realise that the league is a closed shop and the Europa League is shite. For your lot, the best you can hope for is a "battle for the Champions League places", but you've been in the CL season after season, I doubt if anyone genuinely gets excited about hoping to see their side finish 3rd or 4th. For SAFC we dont even have that, at an absolute push (we'll be nowhere near it) we could have a "battle for 7th and hope that 2 teams already in europe win the cups so you can get in the vastly devalued, waste of space europa league". Failing that we'll either be dotting about in mid table playing very average football, or at worst losing most weeks and having a relegation battle which equally doesnt really encourage fans to attend
When football was affordable and the atmospheres were good, people would be happy to turn up and watch games even if their side was going to be a meaningless midtable one but now a lot of people are realising that they're paying a shit load to watch football that often isnt great and that doesnt really matter in a shit atmosphere, the "premier league experience" is, by and large, fucking shite, and expensive shite at that.
A lot of traditional fans have either been priced out or have become bored of the watered down, mundane, overpriced shite. Now I think we are starting to see that the "new breed" of fans that the PL, Sky and the clubs wanted are starting to feel similarly about it- if they arent going to see their club compete for the title, the new breed of fans were always going to get bored and start doing something else with their Saturday, they arent fanatical, loyal fans, they're consumers. With the greatest of respect, Arsenal are charging fuck loads to sit in silence watching mainly tippy tappy averagely successful football that wont get you near the title, the plastics were never going to put up with that for long. End of the day though, this is the clubs fault- they got greedy, they chased away the loyal fans by pricing them out in some cases and making them feel unwelcome (overzealous stewards etc) in others, now it will come back to bite them, this is just the start of the bubble bursting.
To illustrate the point about not even being able to get people in for the Chelsea game, here is a seating plan of the stadium of light
Its not too clear, but block L29 is a block in the lower tier of the north stand, so a relatively good seat (next to the concession corner at the top left of the picture)
Here is a picture from this morning of the seating plan on the sunderland site showing what tickets are available in the block
Basically the green seats are available, the others are taken- its probably about 75% empty. People are getting sick of the PL and its bullshit.
When football was affordable and the atmospheres were good, people would be happy to turn up and watch games even if their side was going to be a meaningless midtable one but now a lot of people are realising that they're paying a shit load to watch football that often isnt great and that doesnt really matter in a shit atmosphere, the "premier league experience" is, by and large, fucking shite, and expensive shite at that.
A lot of traditional fans have either been priced out or have become bored of the watered down, mundane, overpriced shite. Now I think we are starting to see that the "new breed" of fans that the PL, Sky and the clubs wanted are starting to feel similarly about it- if they arent going to see their club compete for the title, the new breed of fans were always going to get bored and start doing something else with their Saturday, they arent fanatical, loyal fans, they're consumers. With the greatest of respect, Arsenal are charging fuck loads to sit in silence watching mainly tippy tappy averagely successful football that wont get you near the title, the plastics were never going to put up with that for long. End of the day though, this is the clubs fault- they got greedy, they chased away the loyal fans by pricing them out in some cases and making them feel unwelcome (overzealous stewards etc) in others, now it will come back to bite them, this is just the start of the bubble bursting.
To illustrate the point about not even being able to get people in for the Chelsea game, here is a seating plan of the stadium of light
Its not too clear, but block L29 is a block in the lower tier of the north stand, so a relatively good seat (next to the concession corner at the top left of the picture)
Here is a picture from this morning of the seating plan on the sunderland site showing what tickets are available in the block
Basically the green seats are available, the others are taken- its probably about 75% empty. People are getting sick of the PL and its bullshit.
Aye, it was only brought in last season for us, glad to see the club finally getting a bit more up to date! It is amazing to see just how much interest is dropping around the country though- England couldnt sell out for the Wales game, Sunderland are struggling to reach 40,000 for the Chelsea, Newcastle had 9,000 empty seats last home game, Arsenal games not selling out despite the large number of tourists around- Man United wont have any troubles but then thats my point, this breed of "consumer" fan only wants to pay top whack for enjoyable, winning football and Sky/ the PL/ the CL have managed to polarise football so much that there is only room for a small few at the top- they might be able to keep charging through the nose and getting sell outs, the rest of the clubs will find that, when all is said and done, their "product" simply isnt that desirableskizz_b wrote:You're lucky, can't even pick your seats on AFC's website they do it for you! F#cking nanny state
