As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
exiledgooner wrote:
the time to judge is the end of the season, not now before the new signings have kicked a ball
So when the end of season comes, and Arsenal win sod all again, will you then inform me that 'the time to judge will be at the end of the 2012 summer transfer window'?
I just would like to know when the judging timeline actually expires? As it seems to change date, year and objective depending on the season??! I thought the time to judge was in May 2011? Think the jury left a while ago mate...
we've got to thing short term just now just to stay in touch with the big spenders so i'd take drogba or anelka from the chavs or we could have had tevez on loan till january, think any of these deals could have been done as we are clearly in a mini league with liverpool and the tiny totts in a race for 4th place and no real threat to the teams going for the league anymore
Villas-Boas also plays 4-3-3. It never stopped him keeping three quality strikers as options though did it? Fergie plays a strict 4-5-1 away from home in Europe. He still has class depth. Shane Long is a much better striker than Chu Young whatshisface. So is Klasnic. So is Beckford. And of course they are all better than Chamakh. That's the point I am trying to make, that in terms of depth Arsenal are way, waaay short. Anyway fuck it - I am surprised people here all of a sudden think Arsenal will finish 4th. Strikes me as a bit weird but each to their own. Liverpool have a much better squad, better players and more belief.
They'll get 4th imo. Laters...
We're more likely than we were last night to finish top 4, and that is a good thing, again Theo is a striker not a winger he's said it himself, he's an option and a good one at that. And better than klasnic, beckford....
Dont oversee the emergence of Frompong either.
I've been sooo pissed off over the summer and start of this season just like you, but I have to be honest and say metersacker and arteta alone really upped my spirit because they're both players I rate highly. I knew we were never going to get the type of spending you were after badu, but i never thought we'd spend the amount we have, even after nasri and fabs going, so im pleasantly surprised. I think top 4 will be a fight, but achievable, especially if us fans keep the pressure up on the club the way we have done and force more spending in january.
.....oh villas boas???? He's had one season in managment mate. You cant really use that as an example, didnt he inherit all those strikers too?
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Babatunde wrote:So when the end of season comes, and Arsenal win sod all again, will you then inform me that 'the time to judge will be at the end of the 2012 summer transfer window'?
I don't like disagreeing with you, because you're so fucking stubborn, however....
This is the first transfer window in... ohh... actually, I don't remember a more active one under Wenger. Literally. We've never replaced half a team. Big changes were needed, big changes were made. Why not just wait to see what happens.
I bet you're one of those people who never leaves the house. It might rain, I might get hit by a bus.
Babatunde wrote:So when the end of season comes, and Arsenal win sod all again, will you then inform me that 'the time to judge will be at the end of the 2012 summer transfer window'?
I don't like disagreeing with you, because you're so fucking stubborn, however....
This is the first transfer window in... ohh... actually, I don't remember a more active one under Wenger. Literally. We've never replaced half a team. Big changes were needed, big changes were made. Why not just wait to see what happens.
I bet you're one of those people who never leaves the house. It might rain, I might get hit by a bus.
me and ray, me and ray, we've been counting cards, counting cards, JEOPARDY.
If i'm being honest i'd have to say i like all the players we have bought today...even the much maligned on here Benayoun...I would have preferred better and we could have and should have had better, but it could have been a hell of a lot worse thats for sure...
These are the types of players we should have been adding to our squad over the last few years...to compliment the likes of Cesc and give us some experience and depth...
And i suppose that is the irritating thing about it, we have to wait for our best players to leave before we add the type of players that should have been yearly run of the mill squad additions for us..So instead of these players strengthening us as they would have, all they have done is take us one step forward after we have just gone two steps back.. Which is why despite the fact i'm quite happy with all four of them i'm still pissed at the way we do business and the fact that again the main priority in our dealings is profit, not maximizing our talent pool with our profits...
To answer Donaldo's question...i really do believe Wenger had it in the back of his mind that he may just go with what we had after the win at Udinese, with maybe a couple of ultra cheap additions that no one has heard of.. Because all these signings could have been done long ago if they were serious pre planned targets, not left til the last 72 hours or the last 24 hours as it seems in some cases...
I think the United game totally shattered his illusions and he was forced in to the last minute buying spree with a big shove from Stan who probably feared the worst...So i suppose we should be thankful to United cos without the drubbing we would have been in serious danger of a mid table finish as opposed to a possible fourth or fifth which is more likely now should our new boys fit in well......
Cesc's heart wasn't in it for the last 1.5 years.He had only one big game for us that was Arsenal V Juve.The matches against Barca he made crucial mistakes which led to goals.300 games 100 assits OK but any throphies?
Nasri had 15 good games in 3 years.Never stood out during versus Man C,U Liverpool,Chelsea. Infact did he ever score against the really big teams?
These new signings will help and inspire the kids.
Bergkamp-Genius wrote:And i suppose that is the irritating thing about it, we have to wait for our best players to leave before we add the type of players that should have been yearly run of the mill squad additions for us..So instead of these players strengthening us as they would have, all they have done is take us one step forward after we have just gone two steps back.. Which is why despite the fact i'm quite happy with all four of them i'm still pissed at the way we do business and the fact that again the main priority in our dealings is profit, not maximizing our talent pool with our profits...
That's why we'll never be Man U. They can keep players like Park on the bench, we would see that as a wasted asset, an unused resource, and we'd flog him off. We'll never have true competition for places unless someone from the youth ranks or reserves suddenly comes into great form (as was the case with Szczesny)
I loved Arteta 4/5 seasons ago but I'm not so sure hes the same player since his last lengthy injury if he can last the season and plays to his full capacity he will be great but I dont see him lasting the season .
Benayoun hasn't played so much in the last year either and whether he is fully recovered nobody knows,its a massive gamble !
Andre Santos I no nothing of whatsoever
The big currant Metersacker is perhaps the center half we should have bought after Solly left the first time around so he is long overdue .
Chu Park I know fark all about
Jenkinson looks at home in the vauxhall conference
Myaichi looks like he might sell some t-shirts and might even be able to play a bit
Oxlade is a kid who knows what he can do
Gervinho I have high hopes for but I wouldn't bet the house on him scoring more than 15 league goals
In all Im seriously underwhelmed by the further dilution of what was already a very injury prone undermanned squad with dubious quality.
We needed another back another striker and 1/2 quality midfielders more.
I hope im wrong but the only one of the above who might save us is Arteta .
Cesc's heart wasn't in it for the last 1.5 years.He had only one big game for us that was Arsenal V Juve.The matches against Barca he made crucial mistakes which led to goals.300 games 100 assits OK but any throphies?
Nasri had 15 good games in 3 years.Never stood out during versus Man C,U Liverpool,Chelsea. Infact did he ever score against the really big teams?
These new signings will help and inspire the kids.
Cesc's heart wasn't in it for the last 1.5 years.He had only one big game for us that was Arsenal V Juve.The matches against Barca he made crucial mistakes which led to goals.300 games 100 assits OK but any throphies?
Nasri had 15 good games in 3 years.Never stood out during versus Man C,U Liverpool,Chelsea. Infact did he ever score against the really big teams?
These new signings will help and inspire the kids.
don't you remember Nasri's 2 goals v United?
He left that out cos it didn't fit in with the point he was trying to make...
Just like he forgot that without Cesc we generally had trouble controlling possession and creating chances, something we didn't have trouble doing when he was playing, even when his heart supposedly wasn't in it...but other than that he was spot on
frankbutcher wrote:I agree with Babs. I think you've all been hoodwinked again.The Club knew that a last minute flurry of signings (when they looked unlikely) will restore faith. I think we have dumbed the squad down again. Up front we are absolutely a joke. And I mean a JOKE.
Wenger hasnt done enough, as you say up front we are a joke and also will be fucked in defence if Vermaelen or Mertesecker get injured then we are back to square one, no where near good enough
