Are You happy with Transfer Dealings?

Babatunde · Post by **Babatunde** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:56 pm

OneBardGooner wrote:
Babatunde wrote:Conclusion: we are one injury away from Flapianski and Almunia.

We are one injury away from Djorou/Koscielny at centre-back.

We are one injury away from having to play Choo Young or the toilet brush from Casablanca.

We are no injuries away from playing Alex Thong or Diaby.

Happy days.

In part you are correct - in tems of injuries.

However what i don't get is why? You seem only to be able to make criticism in an unpleasant manner, why call someone a toilet brush?

You really seem to have had a bee in your bonnet since you arrived and started posting on here, surely any thread or post/s are most likely to illicit good responses be they good polemic, debate, humour or even sarcasm (heaven forbid! )...if the aim and intention of the subject matter is to get across a point or view or opinion and Yes! Express one's ANGER! Rather than simply throw insults into the mix - It isn't as if the 'name calling/insults' lend any weight to what you are trying to get across - as some of them seem aimed at fellow Gooners.

That along with a rather unhealthy dose of continual negativity and uneccesary barbs is defeating what I am guessing is your intention...to express an opinion or five, and see what others think.

There is a chinese proverb that goes along the lines of "He that is first to shout has lost the argument"....a little more passion and lot less vitriol might just help, but hey! what do I know......Like many on here (and Not on here) I am a Gooner deeply dissatisfied with the way My Club is being run....and will speak my mind about it and protest when and where possible, but I know that resorting to purile, angry insults won't get me anywhere....

I didn't read all of that tbh mate. I called Chamakh a toilet brush because he's useless at football. How did you not get this??

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:57 pm

Didn't Man City try to get Arteta at some point? Remember it being on bbc yesterday.

With Bennayoun Liverpool and Spurs were after him.

Just ebcause other clubs aren't looking to sign players doen't mean they're shit. Nobody was after M'Villa bar us, are you saying he's rubbish?

Babatunde · Post by **Babatunde** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:58 pm

Oh dear...I also remember Wenger wanting Jermaine Jenas for ages! If a player's rubbish he is rubbish. Benayoun is average. No amount of spin will ever ever change that.

Babatunde · Post by **Babatunde** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:00 pm

The difference between Daniel Levy (of Spudniks) and Ivan Gazidis.

Daniel Levy: 'Luka Modric will not be sold under any circumstances'

Modric stays. Bid of reputed Â£40 million GBP knocked back.

Ivan Gazidis: 'There will be significant transfer activity in the coming days and the manager will be investing significant funds'

Arsenal make a near Â£25 million profit and all activity is left until the final daty of the window, upon which Arsenal's league season is already dead.

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:00 pm

Not saying he isn't, I just don't buy that argument that players are poor simply because 'nobody else is in for them'

The difference between Daniel Levy (of Spudniks) and Ivan Gazidis.

Biggest difference is Levy is in charge at Spurs. Who do you think shifted those players out? Wasn't Redknapp. Levy calls the shots there.

Also with Modric it was more a case of protecting Levy as Spurs have sold all their best players over the last few years, usually late on. He was never going.

Babatunde · Post by **Babatunde** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:04 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:
Babatunde wrote:
djhdjh wrote:Having a player like Benayoun on the bench ready to come into the team is not a bad thing. I don't understand people judging him simply because Chelsea let him go rather than forming their own opinion. He's a good player who's been around top clubs for a few years and always links play and makes chances.
What you mean top clubs like Racing Santander and Chelsea reserves?
He was very good at Liverpool and popular with the fans there. I sat with their fans for a game at Anfield (mate of mine is a season ticket holder, so I got a free ticket). Ask their fans whether they wanted to let him go?

Lucas Leiva and Rafa Benitez are also extremely popular with Liverpool fans.

Emmanuel Eboue was a Cult hero at Arsenal. I still cannot see your point as to how his popularity relates to his quality?

Silvestre was also popular in the Man United dressing room btw...oh and he had bags of PL experience too.

Babatunde · Post by **Babatunde** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:06 pm

rigsby wrote:Not saying he isn't, I just don't buy that argument that players are poor simply because 'nobody else is in for them'

The difference between Daniel Levy (of Spudniks) and Ivan Gazidis.
Biggest difference is Levy is in charge at Spurs. Who do you think shifted those players out? Wasn't Redknapp. Levy calls the shots there.

Also with Modric it was more a case of protecting Levy as Spurs have sold all their best players over the last few years, usually late on. He was never going.

Fair point mate.

crocit · Post by **crocit** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:08 pm

rigsby wrote:Didn't Man City try to get Arteta at some point? Remember it being on bbc yesterday.

With Bennayoun Liverpool and Spurs were after him.

Just ebcause other clubs aren't looking to sign players doen't mean they're shit. Nobody was after M'Villa bar us, are you saying he's rubbish?

must mean that Messi and Ronaldo are shit, nobody wanted to buy them

Babatunde · Post by **Babatunde** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:06 pm

crocit wrote:
rigsby wrote:Didn't Man City try to get Arteta at some point? Remember it being on bbc yesterday.

With Bennayoun Liverpool and Spurs were after him.

Just ebcause other clubs aren't looking to sign players doen't mean they're shit. Nobody was after M'Villa bar us, are you saying he's rubbish?
must mean that Messi and Ronaldo are shit, nobody wanted to buy them

Wonderful logic there. Let;s ignore they are both recent World Players of the Year though.

Ok my mistake: Benayoun is as good as Messi. Moving along...

Perryashburtongroves · Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:55 pm

Just read this article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/danroan/2011 ... senal.html

What amazes me, is that according to this, Wenger was in Switerzerland at a coaching course. Shouldn't somebody have had a quick word with him and told him to cancel that and deal with the fucking transfer window. This sums up his attitude to the transfer window, that it gets in the way and that a coaching course is more important. With him and spineless Gazidis, it's no wonder we're a shambles on and off the pitch.

Deise Gooner · Post by **Deise Gooner** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:01 pm

Perryashburtongroves wrote:Just read this article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/danroan/2011 ... senal.html

What amazes me, is that according to this, Wenger was in Switerzerland at a coaching course. Shouldn't somebody have had a quick word with him and told him to cancel that and deal with the fucking transfer window. This sums up his attitude to the transfer window, that it gets in the way and that a coaching course is more important. With him and spineless Gazidis, it's no wonder we're a shambles on and off the pitch.

Also an initial bid of 5m for Arteta

Babatunde · Post by **Babatunde** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:06 pm

To be fair Perry, Wenger probably needs the coaching coarse more than anything. Because for the past six years, he's been an accountant and certainly not a proper football manager...Who knows maybe they taught him about tactics, defending, etc...though I wonder if the people giving the course had worked more than half a day in football?
Totally agree with you though. Your club is on its knees and you are in fucking Switzerland. Says it all really. Shows that it was actually the board pushing this and not Wenger.
I bet he will STILL pick Diaby and Koscielny out of spite. You watch. He will find a way of shoehorning his precious fags in....

Babatunde · Post by **Babatunde** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:06 pm

Good analysis from 365

Transfer window LOSERS

Arsenal
Too little, too late? No strategy, no foward plan? Yes to all, but at least Deadline Day's flurry showed Arsenal still possess enough ambition not to die on their arse. Moreover, if you can forgive a second bad pun, at least they stuck to their guns when they finally entered the market to do the business that ought to have been done months ago.

For all the talk of panic pervading at the Emirates - a suggestion endorsed by Everton's understandable bemusement bordering on anger that the Gunners returned with a bid for a player they hadn't mentioned during talks about Phil Jagielka - the established fact that they refused to match Mikel Arteta's Â£75,000-a-week Everton contract was admirably nerveless. The Gunners, by common report, were resolute and prepared to keep walking away until Arteta blinked first.

Yet Arsenal's refusal to pay a wage that even Everton accept is the going rate also serves to inspire two other less than admirable points. Firstly, it acts as a damning reminder that both Abou Diaby and Manuel Almunia - the goalkeeping equivalent of Winston Bogarde? - are still at the Emirates collecting a reputed Â£60k a week, and it's the generosity of that flawed collective wage-plan which explains why Arsenal have struggled so blindly to offload their deadwood this summer. Secondly, their relative and considerable wage austerity at the top of their ceiling remains the foremost reason why Arsenal cannot attract A-list talent and were reduced to haggling with paupers and collecting Chelsea cast-offs as the clock clicked towards 11pm.

Arsenal have the arrangement of their wage-plan substantially wrong. They pay too much for mediocrity, and aren't willing to pay enough on established class. Until they alter their stance, they'll never make it big again.

Post by **gooner.ed** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:11 pm

Babatunde wrote:Good analysis from 365

Arsenal have the arrangement of their wage-plan substantially wrong. They pay too much for mediocrity, and aren't willing to pay enough on established class. Until they alter their stance, they'll never make it big again.

and there, in a nutshell, is where it's all gone horribly, horribly wrong.

ivan gazidis has a term for this. 'efficiency of spend'

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:25 pm

Whatever, most clubs have shit on big wages. Nobody really knows what goes on at Arsenal (a problem itself) Nobody also knows the ins and outs of Arteta's contract or wages. As someone mentioned, Arsenal probably viewed a 4 year deal as a sweetner rather than his wages.

Whatever we think of Diaby, Wenger rates him and so pays him accordingly I suppose. Almunia I of course would never try to defend.

I agree the wage structure needs to seriously altered. Then again football has become so ridiculous that its slightly obscene of us to even be talking about millionaires earning more money. But you have to view it in football terms. I would like it to be rethought. If Arsenal have say the chance to sign Messi, then the wage structure should be broken to sign him. Any player who has a problem with that can fuck off, or put in quality performances and earn himself that type of contract.

I just think wage structures in modern football are redundant.