HAS ANYONE CHANGED THEIR STANCE?

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:11 am

This is only for those who wanted Wenger out.
After the utd game in particular there definitely seemed to be a huge swing in forum members demanding Wenger should go.
Now with the deadline day shopping spree, I was wondering has anyone been won over, and are now willing to give Wenger another chance?
Personally I still want him gone, but will to get behind the team to see what transpires over the next 5 or 6 games.

Post by **REB** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:21 am

the BFG will sort out our defence

arsene knows

Post by **flash gunner** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:23 am

Its important that we get behind the team but after our worst loss in over 100 years and to a former rival Wenger should have had the decency to walk away within an hour of the final whistle, he didnt and he wont be sacked so i hope he can turn it around and make us into a force again. I doubt that he can but im still hoping

safcftm · Post by **safcftm** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:24 am

i'd be quite surprised if people have changed their stance tbh. Despite rebel gooners "moaning *word censored*" thread, I've actually been quite surprised with how positive people have been about the transfers. Getting a powerful centre back in was a good move, but the other two transfers wouldnt appease me if i was a gooner. Effectively you've lost Nasri and Fabregas, made big money on both, and only brought in Benayoun who has never managed to nail down a place at a top 4 club and Arteta, who has some ability but again has spent a lot of his career without anyone being convinced enough to take a punt, and you're still in the situation whereby if Van Persie gets injured (which he always seems to), there is very, very little in attack despite the nice football that Arteta in particular will contribute to. Just quite amazed that people seem happy- I know there are questions about Benayoun, but everyone seems fairly chuffed with Arteta which, having lost Nasri and Fabregas, is a bit baffling

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:38 am

I would still like him gone, but like Sid, I will get behind certain members in the team that deserve to be backed, new faces will not hide the same failings like Wenger's weird team selections, playing players out of position, his hopeless medical team and his hopeless tac-tics will still remain...

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:39 am

Very much in the "burnt his bridges" corner

As our mackem buddy has pointed out, our transfer dealings have again been just a notch above very poor and tbh I still believe that the board actually over-ruled wenger to make 1 or 2 of those signings so fcuk knows where we would be if it had of been left up to wenger

I doubt if there are many ethiopians as thin as our squad is

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:43 am

I take issue with the phrasing of the options.

My opinion on Wenger hasn't changed inbetween getting stuffed at old toilet and signing a few players so my answer is obviously no but... "No, i will never back him again" is an overstatement. If he convinces me he is still the right man for the job I'll back him before you can say super qwualiteee.

I dont hate him, just think its time to go but would love for him to prove me wrong.

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:49 am

The wording is slightly odd. Of course if we went on and won the league everyone on here would back him. I'm willing to give Wenger another chance with these new signings, but certainly patience is wearing thin.

He has to do a lot to make up for the 8-2

frankbutcher · Post by **frankbutcher** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:49 am

rigsby wrote:The wording is slightly odd. Of course if we went on and won the league everyone on here would back him. I'm willing to give Wenger another chance with these new signings, but certainly patience is wearing thin.

He has to do a lot to make up for the 8-2

You'd give him another chance if he got us relegated.

Wenger has dismantled this Club, brick by brick. We might look great on paper - Stadium, Training Ground, Profitable, Youth Development, but he's broken the bond with the fans and sold our soul down the river. I'd rather he'd never arrived. The trophies were great, but Arsenal FC will never be the same again.

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:10 am

frankbutcher wrote:
rigsby wrote:The wording is slightly odd. Of course if we went on and won the league everyone on here would back him. I'm willing to give Wenger another chance with these new signings, but certainly patience is wearing thin.

He has to do a lot to make up for the 8-2
You'd give him another chance if he got us relegated.

Wenger has dismantled this Club, brick by brick. We might look great on paper - Stadium, Training Ground, Profitable, Youth Development, but he's broken the bond with the fans and sold our soul down the river. I'd rather he'd never arrived. The trophies were great, but Arsenal FC will never be the same again.

How has wenger broken the bond between club and fan? I hate it when he patronises us and feeds us sausages and calls it caviar but if anything all hes doing is breaking the bond between manager and fan.

Any perception that the club is losing its soul is surely rooted more in sky and the expansion and commercialisation of football? Seems an odd thing to blame on the manager. By that token fergusmoan is responsible for the same thing at man yoo

terry henry · Post by **terry henry** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:10 am

frankbutcher wrote:
rigsby wrote:The wording is slightly odd. Of course if we went on and won the league everyone on here would back him. I'm willing to give Wenger another chance with these new signings, but certainly patience is wearing thin.

He has to do a lot to make up for the 8-2
You'd give him another chance if he got us relegated.

Wenger has dismantled this Club, brick by brick. We might look great on paper - Stadium, Training Ground, Profitable, Youth Development, but he's broken the bond with the fans and sold our soul down the river. I'd rather he'd never arrived. The trophies were great, but Arsenal FC will never be the same again.

I hate this talk of soul. Load of bollocks.

1. Easy to look back at the old days with rose tinted glasses
2. Football becoming corporate isn't just Arsenal. Its football full stop. Blame Sky and the big money

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:19 am

You'd give him another chance if he got us relegated.

Yes because I said that didn't I? Oh wait no I didn't.

Irish Gooner · Post by **Irish Gooner** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:54 am

I'm trying to back the team as much as I can and will reassess in January.

I still think Wenger should go but I really think all the negativity now is hampering the team perform.

We really should be welcoming our new signings, and support them as that is what supporters do, support the club, players especially until there is some special reason not to eg Adebayor, Almunia, Nasri etc.

Sure after 200 games of Almunia fuck ups, we can *word censored* him off, but I feel really angry at the abuse certain new players are taking from some of our fans when they havent even played or got a chance.

Several players have commented on how our home fans are dreadful and make it harder, and I well believe it. These new players should be welcome with banners and songs, but what are the likes of Red Action doing to help that?

Fuck all as usual, they really have not helped matters over the years and I would say have been an abject failure, in A] remaining objective about the manager and B] actually making proper songs for players and improving the atmosphere which isnt hard.

OOKed · Post by **OOKed** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:18 pm

Let's not forget, our issue here is with Wenger, the man who loves to create and break records.

Although there has been some positives this summer, most of the deadwood cleared or loaned. Finally an injection of new bloody to keep the dressing room motivated and not stagnated.

But then again, the 'Judge me in May' is not going to work this time as there has been serious failings over the years from failures in shambolic contract extensions and salaries, bad player bidding, team policy, and lack of a tactical sense.

He wanted to be remembered at the club for all the trophies he won and the move to the stadium. I am sorry but forever on, he will be remembered now at the man who also dismantled an all conquering team/spirit and sent kids to slaughter. The record breaking 8-2 will go down in history as Wenger's fault.

On another hand, we need to get behind the team until next summer as there is no need to take it out on the players or on the new signings, unless of course they don't look interested.

Can't wait for him gone.

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:25 pm

LDB wrote:
frankbutcher wrote:
rigsby wrote:The wording is slightly odd. Of course if we went on and won the league everyone on here would back him. I'm willing to give Wenger another chance with these new signings, but certainly patience is wearing thin.

He has to do a lot to make up for the 8-2
You'd give him another chance if he got us relegated.

Wenger has dismantled this Club, brick by brick. We might look great on paper - Stadium, Training Ground, Profitable, Youth Development, but he's broken the bond with the fans and sold our soul down the river. I'd rather he'd never arrived. The trophies were great, but Arsenal FC will never be the same again.
How has wenger broken the bond between club and fan? I hate it when he patronises us and feeds us sausages and calls it caviar but if anything all hes doing is breaking the bond between manager and fan.

Any perception that the club is losing its soul is surely rooted more in sky and the expansion and commercialisation of football? Seems an odd thing to blame on the manager. By that token fergusmoan is responsible for the same thing at man yoo

I dont think it is straight forward as you think mate regarding the blaming of sky for all modern football issues and wenger is certainly culpable for some of the issues within our club -

Whether we like it or not most of us agree that wenger has our players living in a bubble. They are kept at arms length from the fans in an effort to protect them from any criticisms. For me all that has achieved is breaking a bond between the players and fans as it appears to put the players up on a pedastal where they have no appreciations of the commitment (both financially and in terms of time) that the fans show. The connection has now dropped so low that on many occasions a lot of our players dont even go over to our fans to show appreciation at away games and this is totally unacceptable to me and is something the manager should be hammering them over

The supporters love of the club is without equal of that there is no doubt. We do not expect the players to care as much as we do but we do expect them to show some respect and appreciation to be playing for a club as big as ours. Strolling around in tracksuits and wearing those wanky headphones when getting off the team bus shows a totally non plussed attitude to supporters like me. Dress in the club blazers, show a bit of class and understand how priviledged you are to be earning as much as you are whilst playing for a genuine big club and it will certainly go some way in earning the respect of the fans. This is another fault of wenger cos this is def his area of authority and I will guarantee that GG wouldnt allow his players to look so fcuking shabby whilst representing our club

Lastly, and this is the biggest issue, show some pride and passion whilst on the pitch. How many times last season did we see lamentable performances from our players ? At one stage wenger even went so far as to admit his players didnt seem "up for it" and I am sorry but that is down to you wenger. It is not enough to have the players put in big effort every few weeks or only for the big games and it really grates the fans to witness this apathy and to watch and hear wenger not only accept it but also defend these same players

HAS ANYONE CHANGED THEIR STANCE?

Have you changed your stance?

HAS ANYONE CHANGED THEIR STANCE?