The key to getting back on a level playing field with the big teams in our league (no we're not going to buy top quality talent)- We're hoping for another recession.[/quote]
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Boomer the problem is that debt won't be paid until 2031 as Quartz has said here. They will not pay aheead of schedule because there a re actually penalties for doing so in place. So if in fact that is that is holding us back and it is actually what is holding us back we have a longer wait than you would like to think I fear...Boomer wrote:I do think both the board and Wenger are holding us back.Metalheadz Gooner wrote:it is actually depressing that with all this money we make all be it with crap commercial revenue we can't afford to stump up the money buy the best players in the world.Boomer wrote:We can if we had a different board. No need for a sugardaddy.Metalheadz Gooner wrote:Do things the "arsenal way" or with "tradition" and we'll carry on with the same arguments you get on here day in day out. Basically we will go backwards !
Move forward and get the sugar daddy who wants to win, who can't stand losing, wants to be the best and we'll become a force again.
It's one of those situation where if you can't beat them, join them and we need a mega rich owner. Because currently we won't pay the top wages and thats what you've got to do to get the best.
Whether they're waiting for the debts to clear or more revenue to come in only time will tell. It's only a short time as well.
It's clear that more can, and could, be done now.
Anyone know where the loan debt stands?
Beacuse you just realized Mr. Wenger is an American Republican Party member?bradders wrote:Wengerball wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... risis.html
The key to getting back on a level playing field with the big teams in our league (no we're not going to buy top quality talent)- We're hoping for another recession.[/quote]
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yes.USMartin wrote:Boomer the problem is that debt won't be paid until 2031 as Quartz has said here. They will not pay aheead of schedule because there a re actually penalties for doing so in place. So if in fact that is that is holding us back and it is actually what is holding us back we have a longer wait than you would like to think I fear...Boomer wrote:I do think both the board and Wenger are holding us back.Metalheadz Gooner wrote:it is actually depressing that with all this money we make all be it with crap commercial revenue we can't afford to stump up the money buy the best players in the world.Boomer wrote:We can if we had a different board. No need for a sugardaddy.Metalheadz Gooner wrote:Do things the "arsenal way" or with "tradition" and we'll carry on with the same arguments you get on here day in day out. Basically we will go backwards !
Move forward and get the sugar daddy who wants to win, who can't stand losing, wants to be the best and we'll become a force again.
It's one of those situation where if you can't beat them, join them and we need a mega rich owner. Because currently we won't pay the top wages and thats what you've got to do to get the best.
Whether they're waiting for the debts to clear or more revenue to come in only time will tell. It's only a short time as well.
It's clear that more can, and could, be done now.
Anyone know where the loan debt stands?
I might be getting the wrong end of the stick here, but how is having players out on loan costing the club? Cant talk for Vela and Denilson but I know that Sunderland paid in the region of £2m to take Bendtner on loan for a season and are paying a substantial amount of his wages. Even in its "only" 30k of them, we'll have him on loan for about 40 weeks or so, meaning 1.2 million saved- hence this deal, whilst depriving you of Bendtners unique skill set of course, has made Arsenal 3.2m better off than they would have been had they kept him (whilst still having him as a saleable asset). I'm sure the other lads will be on similar deals. Again, I might have misunderstood your pointBabatunde wrote:
2. Yeah yeah Arsene sure. The man with the degree in Economics who paid £10 mil for Koscielny, and has Vela, Bendtner and Denilson on loan at a cost of £10 mil to the club, the man that pays Diaby more than Modric. The man who earns £6.5 mil a year but then talks about the excesses in football....yeah yeah mate sure. Great economist you are! Pfffft....
Oh I agree with you there mate. Whilst I don't think they should be looking to sell up to a sugar daddy and rely on being bankrolled and possibly ran into the ground by someone who is likely if they've made that much money to be less than clean, I do think they should have been investing more money in the squad. There have been times when a relatively small outlay might well have addressed a key position and allowed Arsenal to genuinely compete for the title, and it seems daft not to have done so.brazilianGOONER wrote:absolutely spot on, saftcm. very good post and agree with you 100%
the only sad part is that sometimes arsenal (be it wenger or the board) are over zealous in a way that strengthening the team just a bit more in moments past (now I couldn't say that anymore) could have meant us being up there again with man united and chelsea. I think we were that close in many moments, like 07-08, but stuff like having manuel fucking almunia as our first choice goalkeeper for three seasons meant we were always a bit short. or sometimes a long way off.
good were the times when good teams were made by good management and it took a lot of effort for titles to be won and stuff like that.safcftm wrote:Oh I agree with you there mate. Whilst I don't think they should be looking to sell up to a sugar daddy and rely on being bankrolled and possibly ran into the ground by someone who is likely if they've made that much money to be less than clean, I do think they should have been investing more money in the squad. There have been times when a relatively small outlay might well have addressed a key position and allowed Arsenal to genuinely compete for the title, and it seems daft not to have done so.brazilianGOONER wrote:absolutely spot on, saftcm. very good post and agree with you 100%
the only sad part is that sometimes arsenal (be it wenger or the board) are over zealous in a way that strengthening the team just a bit more in moments past (now I couldn't say that anymore) could have meant us being up there again with man united and chelsea. I think we were that close in many moments, like 07-08, but stuff like having manuel fucking almunia as our first choice goalkeeper for three seasons meant we were always a bit short. or sometimes a long way off.
By now it seems that the board have almost accepted that they cant spend their way to the title though and it would appear as if a decision has been taken that if they cant actually afford to spend enough to win it, the important thing is just to keep in the top 4 for the CL money at the lowest possible cost. Buy a player for £20m and you might get 3rd instead of 4th, but the additional income for that is nothing compared to the outlay and you'd really need to hope the player can propel you much further in the CL to make the money back. Plus a £20m player wants massive wages- you then risk all the other players wanting parity etc. I think for now they just see it that whatever they do, they cant compete with the likes of Man City who have an unfair advantage of having money as effectively no object. So its either sell to a potentially dodgy sugar daddy and risk the clubs future, spend a shit load now to try and compete with clubs who can always just spend more, and risk the clubs future, or concentrate on running a tight ship, paying off the stadium etc and waiting for the other clubs to start to suffer. Like I say, I can understand why gooners wouldnt like this third option, but for me its better than the other 2.
I just hate the fact that teams need a billionaire to win anything. I'm sure a lot of us play Football Manager and you know how its great when you go a team, do well and win the league? Well I also find the urge to sometimes go Sunderland and give us unlimited funds and the richest backer. Thing is, it always sounds like fun but then you start and you think "ah fuck it, this is hardly a challenge its just cheating", you cant enjoy the success. This is what real football is getting like, why should teams even bother fucking entering when a side like Man City can just outspend us all, buy all the best players and make us risk financial ruin to compete? Fucking pisses me off. I'd rather see clubs just run a tight ship, operate as actual football clubs and either the billionaires can get bored eventually and fuck off, or they can form a shitty super league and fuck off. Basically I just want them to fuck off
Indeed- the days when football was actually a sport seem to have gone. Its stupid like- I've no doubt that the man city fans will celebrate if they win the title (we'd all do the same) but it must feel hollow as fuck. I dont honestly see how you can be proud of your club winning a title when its only won because a billionaire has bankrolled you, signing a lot of mercenaries and paying them a kings ransom to play for you. I'd be proud as fuck if my club developed some youths who came through into the first team and blended with well researched signings to claim an FA Cup or whatever, I'd feel very little if we bought itbrazilianGOONER wrote: good were the times when good teams were made by good management and it took a lot of effort for titles to be won and stuff like that.
it's a shame that people are allowed to play football manager with real life
Woah, there's not a racist bone in my body, so don't go playing that card with me.Red Gunner wrote:Have you got any proof linking Abu Dhabi or UAE to terrorism, or did you just make that remark because they're Arab?richpye wrote:But in other posts, people criticise him for saying he would be happy to finish second for the next 20 years!!!rigsby wrote:He's deluded. City are basically funded by a country, and Abramovich has ploughed his money back into the club again recently.
Modern football has passed him by.
If I was fighting against a team funded by a terrorist regime and another by the equivalent of the siberian mafia, I would be very happy finishing 2nd!!!
I thought the same thing when I read that post - that has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read on this Forum.Red Gunner wrote:Have you got any proof linking Abu Dhabi or UAE to terrorism, or did you just make that remark because they're Arab?richpye wrote:But in other posts, people criticise him for saying he would be happy to finish second for the next 20 years!!!rigsby wrote:He's deluded. City are basically funded by a country, and Abramovich has ploughed his money back into the club again recently.
Modern football has passed him by.
If I was fighting against a team funded by a terrorist regime and another by the equivalent of the siberian mafia, I would be very happy finishing 2nd!!!