Yeah if not sold out by 11.30am. The £59 to watch us probably lose is a big factor.Irish Gooner wrote:Chelsea apparently going to 5+ on Monday....StokeyGooner wrote:Not just home games either, first spurs and now chelsea game on sale to 10+ credits.
Unheard of as far as I can remember...
Ticket Demand Falling ?
Only £56, the £59 tickets have sold out. I guess it will get there but sell out then.topcat wrote:Yeah if not sold out by 11.30am. The £59 to watch us probably lose is a big factor.Irish Gooner wrote:Chelsea apparently going to 5+ on Monday....StokeyGooner wrote:Not just home games either, first spurs and now chelsea game on sale to 10+ credits.
Unheard of as far as I can remember...
I am surprised Marseille away has lasted so long, I don't see this game selling out now.
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hassle travel
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Couple of years ago I went on stag to Liverpool and a few of us took in everton Sunderland match, so because of that I'm on everton email list, but anyway they sent me an email yesterday morning telling me tickets were still available for today's derby, every club seems to struggling to sell tickets.
Its quite simply too expensive for what is a sterile closed shop. This season you could be generous and say that 3 clubs could win the league (United, City, Chelsea), for everyone else its a bit pointless. At least clubs like Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool have the "race for 4th" to compete in but I think fans are starting to give less of a fuck about that as well- yippee it gets us back into the champions league which is totally set up to see the major clubs dominate, which is boring as fuck in the group stages and where we can pay £64 for a ticket 
When times are tough financially, people are no longer just spending the money without questioning. They're now looking at it and thinking "right, an away game, £40 match ticket £50 train, £10 for food, £30 for drink, so I'll be spending around £130 today, more if I take the kids, what am I actually going to get out of it?". A lot of the time they get a long journey, they get to feel like criminals in the stadium or if not they get to sit in silence watching another dull match in the "most exciting league in the world".
For the most part, despite the relatively high prices, I think most of the home fans still go. Some are pissed off with the prices and atmosphere and bored of the lack of competition so stay in the pub watching it (which always seems a much more enjoyable way to watch the game), but by and large most still turn up. The trouble is these fans arent as numerous as the clubs would have us believe. Take Sunderland for example, at Roker Park we regularly averaged around 25,000 fans or so. Suddenly the "football bug" bit, the club got a new ground, it sold out, they extended it and now we have a 48,000 stadium. We simply dont have the demand for it when the interest of the part times fades. I'm not so sure about Arsenal averages but a quick google suggests 24,000 in 82-83, rising up to 31,000 in 84-85 and then down to 23,000 the next season. And this was when football was cheap. So basically the wave of people who have been attracted by the shiny plastic Premier League have vastly inflated clubs (certainly our clubs but I cant imagine we are the only 2 examples) to a level that is well beyond their "core support". These people arent bothering to watch sunderland now, they find it dull, expensive and we're shite, so they're going elsewhere. Equally a lot of the plastic brigade are bored of watching Arsenal, the "world stars" are no longer there, they arent competing for the title and, again, a lot of the games are quite dull.
I dont think these plastic fans will be won back. They will in some cases (ie if you go on to challenge next season you'll sell out the ground no bother, but then you'll probably see Chelsea's attendance drop as they stop challenging etc). The hard core support is slowly filtering away- its either getting too expensive, too sterile or simply they get out of the way of going. And its goin gto get worse because I cant imagine the kids of today, once the exctiement of attending a match with a big crowd has worn off, being too excited by the prospect of experiencing more dull atmospheres in competitions that are decided in a large part by how rich your owner is and where players are paid so much that they being spoilt little *word censored* that the fans cant relate to and that fuck clubs off every couple of seasons to force a lucrative move somewhere else.
I love my football- I love Sunderland and I'm interested enough to enjoy spending some of my time on a random Arsenal message board because I enjoy the banter and I like seeing how fans of another club view things but even I'm getting less and less interested. Bolton v Chelsea is on now, that sounds like a canny game and I could switch me sky box on and watch it right now but, even though I'm not really doing anything esle, I cant be arsed. It'll be fairly dull and it doesnt really matter who wins. I'll probably end up going into town and buying a DVD instead and I never thought that day would arrive!
When times are tough financially, people are no longer just spending the money without questioning. They're now looking at it and thinking "right, an away game, £40 match ticket £50 train, £10 for food, £30 for drink, so I'll be spending around £130 today, more if I take the kids, what am I actually going to get out of it?". A lot of the time they get a long journey, they get to feel like criminals in the stadium or if not they get to sit in silence watching another dull match in the "most exciting league in the world".
For the most part, despite the relatively high prices, I think most of the home fans still go. Some are pissed off with the prices and atmosphere and bored of the lack of competition so stay in the pub watching it (which always seems a much more enjoyable way to watch the game), but by and large most still turn up. The trouble is these fans arent as numerous as the clubs would have us believe. Take Sunderland for example, at Roker Park we regularly averaged around 25,000 fans or so. Suddenly the "football bug" bit, the club got a new ground, it sold out, they extended it and now we have a 48,000 stadium. We simply dont have the demand for it when the interest of the part times fades. I'm not so sure about Arsenal averages but a quick google suggests 24,000 in 82-83, rising up to 31,000 in 84-85 and then down to 23,000 the next season. And this was when football was cheap. So basically the wave of people who have been attracted by the shiny plastic Premier League have vastly inflated clubs (certainly our clubs but I cant imagine we are the only 2 examples) to a level that is well beyond their "core support". These people arent bothering to watch sunderland now, they find it dull, expensive and we're shite, so they're going elsewhere. Equally a lot of the plastic brigade are bored of watching Arsenal, the "world stars" are no longer there, they arent competing for the title and, again, a lot of the games are quite dull.
I dont think these plastic fans will be won back. They will in some cases (ie if you go on to challenge next season you'll sell out the ground no bother, but then you'll probably see Chelsea's attendance drop as they stop challenging etc). The hard core support is slowly filtering away- its either getting too expensive, too sterile or simply they get out of the way of going. And its goin gto get worse because I cant imagine the kids of today, once the exctiement of attending a match with a big crowd has worn off, being too excited by the prospect of experiencing more dull atmospheres in competitions that are decided in a large part by how rich your owner is and where players are paid so much that they being spoilt little *word censored* that the fans cant relate to and that fuck clubs off every couple of seasons to force a lucrative move somewhere else.
I love my football- I love Sunderland and I'm interested enough to enjoy spending some of my time on a random Arsenal message board because I enjoy the banter and I like seeing how fans of another club view things but even I'm getting less and less interested. Bolton v Chelsea is on now, that sounds like a canny game and I could switch me sky box on and watch it right now but, even though I'm not really doing anything esle, I cant be arsed. It'll be fairly dull and it doesnt really matter who wins. I'll probably end up going into town and buying a DVD instead and I never thought that day would arrive!
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Perryashburtongroves
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Absolutely bang on, there Sunderland. Add to that the fact that the generation that were kids in the 80s and remember the last of the old days and were the ones the marketing men targeted with the start of the Premier League, are now the generation that have kids and high mortgages and although most love their team, simply can't or won't pay the daft prices. The teams are not only pricing a generation of kids out of the game and not giving a shit about it, they are also pricing dads and sons out of the game, meaning that two generations are lost. When I went to football with my dad as a kid, 25-odd years ago, I remember seeing loads of other kids there. These days, I'm actually surprised when I see a child at a game. My view is that 5-10 years up the line, teams will be playing in front of poor attendances and will want to win back the missing punters by bringing back terracing at a much reduced rate. Then, we'll probably end up with the same issues we had in the 70s and 80s and kids still won't go.Its quite simply too expensive for what is a sterile closed shop. This season you could be generous and say that 3 clubs could win the league (United, City, Chelsea), for everyone else its a bit pointless. At least clubs like Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool have the "race for 4th" to compete in but I think fans are starting to give less of a fuck about that as well- yippee it gets us back into the champions league which is totally set up to see the major clubs dominate, which is boring as fuck in the group stages and where we can pay £64 for a ticket
When times are tough financially, people are no longer just spending the money without questioning. They're now looking at it and thinking "right, an away game, £40 match ticket £50 train, £10 for food, £30 for drink, so I'll be spending around £130 today, more if I take the kids, what am I actually going to get out of it?". A lot of the time they get a long journey, they get to feel like criminals in the stadium or if not they get to sit in silence watching another dull match in the "most exciting league in the world".
For the most part, despite the relatively high prices, I think most of the home fans still go. Some are pissed off with the prices and atmosphere and bored of the lack of competition so stay in the pub watching it (which always seems a much more enjoyable way to watch the game), but by and large most still turn up. The trouble is these fans arent as numerous as the clubs would have us believe. Take Sunderland for example, at Roker Park we regularly averaged around 25,000 fans or so. Suddenly the "football bug" bit, the club got a new ground, it sold out, they extended it and now we have a 48,000 stadium. We simply dont have the demand for it when the interest of the part times fades. I'm not so sure about Arsenal averages but a quick google suggests 24,000 in 82-83, rising up to 31,000 in 84-85 and then down to 23,000 the next season. And this was when football was cheap. So basically the wave of people who have been attracted by the shiny plastic Premier League have vastly inflated clubs (certainly our clubs but I cant imagine we are the only 2 examples) to a level that is well beyond their "core support". These people arent bothering to watch sunderland now, they find it dull, expensive and we're shite, so they're going elsewhere. Equally a lot of the plastic brigade are bored of watching Arsenal, the "world stars" are no longer there, they arent competing for the title and, again, a lot of the games are quite dull.
I dont think these plastic fans will be won back. They will in some cases (ie if you go on to challenge next season you'll sell out the ground no bother, but then you'll probably see Chelsea's attendance drop as they stop challenging etc). The hard core support is slowly filtering away- its either getting too expensive, too sterile or simply they get out of the way of going. And its goin gto get worse because I cant imagine the kids of today, once the exctiement of attending a match with a big crowd has worn off, being too excited by the prospect of experiencing more dull atmospheres in competitions that are decided in a large part by how rich your owner is and where players are paid so much that they being spoilt little c**ts that the fans cant relate to and that fuck clubs off every couple of seasons to force a lucrative move somewhere else.
I love my football- I love Sunderland and I'm interested enough to enjoy spending some of my time on a random Arsenal message board because I enjoy the banter and I like seeing how fans of another club view things but even I'm getting less and less interested. Bolton v Chelsea is on now, that sounds like a canny game and I could switch me sky box on and watch it right now but, even though I'm not really doing anything esle, I cant be arsed. It'll be fairly dull and it doesnt really matter who wins. I'll probably end up going into town and buying a DVD instead and I never thought that day would arrive!
