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kiwomya wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
Red Member wrote:http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/ ... land-clash

If the supporters can't be united then you can't expect the team to be.
Yes, being supported has got us so far over the last few seasons...

This is a commonly quoted paragraph, from Headmember's link

''You are a deliberate fool for saying that people like myself should not voice his or her opinion about the state of the football club, if you are sick of supporting Arsenal do yourself a favour and support Spurs''

How many times do we have to hear that churned out... or the ''who will replace Wenger if he goes.... Booooo fucking Hooooo, he is a busted flush and the sooner he's gone then The Arsenal can move forward. Let him fuck off to his next project at PSG which he has been nest feathering for himself at our expense over the last few seasons.
This is why other fans won't take this seriously. OK, so Wenger leaves. What next? the club will change it's tune and give the next guy 100M to improve the team? All the players you think aren't good enough will still be at the club under the same contracts that you hate.

The politics of the club will remain the same regardless of who you get in. If they club doesn't front up money to improve the team then it doesn't matter who's in charge.

If you just want a face for all your anger then it appears Wenger is your choice.
You see, this too (bolded) is another oft quoted AKB jibe. Do you honestly think anyone here is naiive enough to believe that?

The point is; there is some form of financial limitation within the club – whether there is no real money from the Board or Wenger won’t spend it is something we can all argue over til the cows come home. So let’s just accept that there is some form of financial limitation, okay? And Wenger operates within that limitation. Any new manager may still have to work within that limitation.

BUT;

A new manager may operate better within those limitations than Wenger has. Wenger has failed to identify top young players repeatedly. He has signed young players that have mostly achieved fuck all. He has signed poor quality senior players too often as well.

A new manager may decide it is time to cut the wage bill and unload the chaff from the squad, freeing up wages for new players. He will most likely decide to change the playing style to some degree and will look for players that suit that style. He may be better at identifying those players that can be signed within the financial limitations than Wenger is.

For you to state that any new manager will have to basically inherit Wenger’s team and not be able to change it is silly.

Wenger has failed repeatedly over the last 5 years. That is half a decade!

We went from The Invincibles to the Unwinnables in those few years because Wenger started to believe he was a genius and his arrogance and self belief ran away with him. He cannot accept he has got it wrong and change what needs to be changed.

His ideas have failed again and again. His time is up.

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Post by DUFFMAN »

Anyone else wetting themselves at the thought of us Marty reading all the coverage fcnotplc is getting?

Wasn't he clad in as many logos as he could cover himself in with the tagline...... This is and always has been, a PRO wenger movement.

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DUFFMAN wrote:Anyone else wetting themselves at the thought of us Marty reading all the coverage fcnotplc is getting?

Wasn't he clad in as many logos as he could cover himself in with the tagline...... This is and always has been, a PRO wenger movement.
What coverage is arsenalfcnotplc getting?

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Post by Basil is a Gooner »

Boomer wrote:
Basil is a Gooner wrote:
Boomer wrote:Good stuff lads.

I was thinking about the flag last night whilst reading this thread.
There was talk eariler about getting it into the ground without the stewards taking it.

I had an idea for another flag...which now now counter the counter flag! :? :shock: :lol: :lol:

How about another flag which reads "In Arsene we Trust!"
The steward would allow that.

So as the team enter the field of play you rip off the leading 'T', which was stuck on in velcro, to obviously read "In Arsene we rust!"


:idea:
Stolen from a previous Gooner cover Boomer...... :wink:
Really?! :shock: :lol: :lol:

As you know I don't read the Gooner....a case of great minds I guess. :wink: 8)
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DB10GOONER wrote:
kiwomya wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
Red Member wrote:http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/ ... land-clash

If the supporters can't be united then you can't expect the team to be.
Yes, being supported has got us so far over the last few seasons...

This is a commonly quoted paragraph, from Headmember's link

''You are a deliberate fool for saying that people like myself should not voice his or her opinion about the state of the football club, if you are sick of supporting Arsenal do yourself a favour and support Spurs''

How many times do we have to hear that churned out... or the ''who will replace Wenger if he goes.... Booooo fucking Hooooo, he is a busted flush and the sooner he's gone then The Arsenal can move forward. Let him fuck off to his next project at PSG which he has been nest feathering for himself at our expense over the last few seasons.
This is why other fans won't take this seriously. OK, so Wenger leaves. What next? the club will change it's tune and give the next guy 100M to improve the team? All the players you think aren't good enough will still be at the club under the same contracts that you hate.

The politics of the club will remain the same regardless of who you get in. If they club doesn't front up money to improve the team then it doesn't matter who's in charge.

If you just want a face for all your anger then it appears Wenger is your choice.
You see, this too (bolded) is another oft quoted AKB jibe. Do you honestly think anyone here is naiive enough to believe that?

The point is; there is some form of financial limitation within the club – whether there is no real money from the Board or Wenger won’t spend it is something we can all argue over til the cows come home. So let’s just accept that there is some form of financial limitation, okay? And Wenger operates within that limitation. Any new manager may still have to work within that limitation.

BUT;

A new manager may operate better within those limitations than Wenger has. Wenger has failed to identify top young players repeatedly. He has signed young players that have mostly achieved fuck all. He has signed poor quality senior players too often as well.

A new manager may decide it is time to cut the wage bill and unload the chaff from the squad, freeing up wages for new players. He will most likely decide to change the playing style to some degree and will look for players that suit that style. He may be better at identifying those players that can be signed within the financial limitations than Wenger is.

For you to state that any new manager will have to basically inherit Wenger’s team and not be able to change it is silly.

Wenger has failed repeatedly over the last 5 years. That is half a decade!

We went from The Invincibles to the Unwinnables in those few years because Wenger started to believe he was a genius and his arrogance and self belief ran away with him. He cannot accept he has got it wrong and change what needs to be changed.

His ideas have failed again and again. His time is up.
I fail to see that many managers would be able to run the team within the same constraints and have the same draw as Wenger with signing players.

I'm against gambling getting rid of Wenger in favour of a big fat question mark.

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Post by QuartzGooner »

Kiwomya

May well be true that a new manger would have the same financial constraints.

But consistent failure to organise defence, and consistently being outsmarted tactically, and frequent capitulation during games suggests Wenger is not the manager he was.

These things are not 100% related to money, they are connected to coaching and leadership skills.

None of us know if a new boss will be a success, but we know that Wenger is under the cosh right now and the competitiveness of team has been declining for four seasons.

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Post by Boomer »

Basil is a Gooner wrote:
Boomer wrote:
Basil is a Gooner wrote:
Boomer wrote:Good stuff lads.

I was thinking about the flag last night whilst reading this thread.
There was talk eariler about getting it into the ground without the stewards taking it.

I had an idea for another flag...which now now counter the counter flag! :? :shock: :lol: :lol:

How about another flag which reads "In Arsene we Trust!"
The steward would allow that.

So as the team enter the field of play you rip off the leading 'T', which was stuck on in velcro, to obviously read "In Arsene we rust!"


:idea:
Stolen from a previous Gooner cover Boomer...... :wink:
Really?! :shock: :lol: :lol:

As you know I don't read the Gooner....a case of great minds I guess. :wink: 8)
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That's nothing like my idea unless you're refering to the actual phrase?

The idea was to sneek in a pro "In Arsene we trust" which once accepted and displayed early is altered to show "In Arsene we rust" :wink:

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Nobody is saying we should go on a huge spending spree, that's one of the shit lines Arsenal farm out to try and excuse not spending any money.

The fact is a top manager would have signed someone like Gary Cahill for around 12 odd mil and we'ld be better. A top manager would NOT HAVE STUCK WITH MANUEL ALMUNIA FOR 5 FUCKING YEARS!!! This is why I want Wenger gone. ALMUNIA FFS! When Fergie makes a mistake on players (as all manager do from time to time) they're immediatley bombed out. A great manager can admit his failings, Wenger has stuck with players who Ray Charles could see weren't good enough.

The football landscape has been allowed to change by Arsenal imo. We should have won the league 2 maybe 3 times in the past 6 years. Why haven't we? A failutre to build on title winning sides in January (2008 ESPECIALLY!/2010/Last year) A lack of taking the cups seriously.

The club is being mismanaged at every level. Its time for a MASSIVE change.

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Post by TeeCee »

First and foremost, the flag has got the media talking about unrest with the Arsenal fans. That is excellent news. The more publicity this 'unrest' gets, the better.
It's vital that the flag gets it's first viewing at an away game when it will not be confiscated. At the Emirates, against Udinese, a young guy a couple of rows in front of me held up a small piece of cardboard with something written on it, within 20 seconds, a steward made his way down there and had a word with him...turns out it wasn't derogatory or anti-Wenger so they didn't do anything. Put the flag up at the Emirates and it will be gone within 30 seconds, guaranteed.

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Boomer wrote:
Basil is a Gooner wrote:
Boomer wrote:
Basil is a Gooner wrote:
Boomer wrote:Good stuff lads.

I was thinking about the flag last night whilst reading this thread.
There was talk eariler about getting it into the ground without the stewards taking it.

I had an idea for another flag...which now now counter the counter flag! :? :shock: :lol: :lol:

How about another flag which reads "In Arsene we Trust!"
The steward would allow that.

So as the team enter the field of play you rip off the leading 'T', which was stuck on in velcro, to obviously read "In Arsene we rust!"


:idea:
Stolen from a previous Gooner cover Boomer...... :wink:
Really?! :shock: :lol: :lol:

As you know I don't read the Gooner....a case of great minds I guess. :wink: 8)
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That's nothing like my idea unless you're refering to the actual phrase?

The idea was to sneek in a pro "In Arsene we trust" which once accepted and displayed early is altered to show "In Arsene we rust" :wink:
Hmm.. Boomer,you could probably get away with an 'In Arsene we rust' banner and put it down to your bad spelling!!! I nominate you for the banner bearer and carrier!!!! :wink:

:barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

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Post by Bradywasking »

Sky are going to on this like a shot..so to give the banner it's first airing on Sunday it could easily be done outside the Stadium..where the Sky Cameras are positioned..(they will be looking for signs of dissent) You would possibly need someone not going to the game to get the banner away and keep it safe for an away trip.
I deeply regret that it has come to this and I get no pleasure from supporting this protest , but it has come to this and enough is enough..We want our Arsenal Back...

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Post by rigsby »

Anyone gonna head outside where the directors are for a bit of baiting?

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REBEL GOONER wrote:queen of the akbs

http://ladyarse.co.uk/2011/10/here%e2%8 ... -we-trust/


:banghead: :cry: :evil:
What an absolute *word censored* she is.

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