As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Babatunde wrote:Usmanov - rated as the 35th richest person in the world with £12.4billion - has consistently said he would provide more money for under-fire manager Arsene Wenger, whereas Kroenke has supported the club's self-sustainable model.
historic - I agree with Babatunde
Wenger wouldnt break up his 'project' and spend big
So if its Usmanov in : Its Wenger out... No half measures im afraid AKB's
kiwomya wrote:When it comes to money you must remember that we built a brand new stadium only a few years ago. City don't even fucking own theirs. Chelsea want to expand but can't and Liverpool can't afford it. We've already taken that massive hit at a time when other clubs were choosing to throw their money at players ego's.
We were sold the stadium with the promise it would alow us to compete in the transfer market, Wenger now openly admits that we can't nor indeed will.
Personally I would have preferred to shelve the stadium and throw money at players egos and win something, but heh! we have a big staudium, just a pity we don't have a team to grace it.
And that's a fans perspective mate. For fear of sounding like the Arsenal PR machine - the stadium is for the long term. A lot of the top sides would love to have done what we did.
Was gonna start to post all the reasons why the bolded bit is nonsense but I cant be fucking bothered.
goonersid wrote:
We were sold the stadium with the promise it would alow us to compete in the transfer market, Wenger now openly admits that we can't nor indeed will.
Personally I would have preferred to shelve the stadium and throw money at players egos and win something, but heh! we have a big staudium, just a pity we don't have a team to grace it.
No one envisaged Chelsea and city coming in with an open chequebook to that extent.
Another MASSIVE AKB myth.
In which club did Abramovich acquire Chelski FC? It was in 2003 was it not when that went through? Prior to that he had to do due diligence on the club. EVERYONE has to do that.
The whole football world knew Abramovich was coming in yonks before because he had tried with other clubs and failed. ManYoo directors are on record as stating his intentions were known way in advance of 2003.
So you're telling me, that years before starting the stadium (which opened for the 2006 season wasn't it?)....NO ONE at Arsenal had foreseen Roman's roubles?
Ha ha ha ha ha pull the other one....
Another convenient AKB excuse....
Stadium proposal was from early 1990s, ie realisticlly selling it to the fans, Final proposal was 1999.
Due diligent for buying a club takes mere months or even weeks. For moving a stadium it takes years or even decade.
Abromovich didn't make his money moving slow. His due diligent in business are probably even quicker.
Another twisting of facts to match your point
No one was expecting Abromovich and co to spend big.
That meant instead of the stadium move being a luxury it became a necessity.
Accuse me of being an AKB - check..
Next you are going to question my mental capabilities
1. babatunde makes a good thread.
2. i agree with him.
120M+ for our lot per year. Is that value for money? Facing facts we've got 1 star player and he has missed to many games in the past. Wilshere is the young talent, who is still too young for a big fat paycheck. Bar Sagna you struggle to find how are wage bill compares to players who have already one trophies. Berlusconi is a billionaire yes, so is stan, yet look at their squad and look at ours. Even with Cesc and Nasri off the bill the amount is eye watering.
Wenger and the board attempted to create a socialist pay structure and it failed badly. Experimenting with Arsenal Football club has got to stop. Performance based pay never did us (in the past) or anyone other club any harm. Now we face a job to sell players on high wages, and replace them with quality.
The truth as people have mentioned is that the big trophies are out of reach unless Kroenke sells some other of his assets to free up cash or Usmanov gets control.
At the moment i just have bite my tongue when I listen to wenger, gazidis and the useless musings of primorac.
Please good people, just look at the evidence gathered over recent times. Wenger has lost it , I will not go through it all again, but I am afraid it's a fact. In this day and age in every walk of life, the pressure of being in employment is growing. Wemger can be no exception. Usmanov I believe would not tolerate his failure and therefore give us almost an infintely better chance of silverware, and at the end of the day, that's all I personally am interested in.
Even if you are prepared to look past Usamnov's background (and I'm not), what are the advantages of him coming in is? The advantages seems to be that
a) He will not tolerate failure and is therefore likely to get rid of Wenger
b) The "self sustainable" model can be ditched and we can compete financially with Man City/Chelsea.
The problem I have with b) is that seems to put the failure to properly invest in the team over the last couple of seasons as a problem created by the Board rather than Wenger. I thought the consensus on this forum (which I agree with) was that it's Wenger's fault for buying dross/not getting rid of rubbish players, gambling high wages on "potential" etc. Why then do we need Usmanov to correct this problem, when we "just" need Wenger to go?
Tonton Zola Moukoko wrote:Even if you are prepared to look past Usamnov's background (and I'm not), what are the advantages of him coming in is? The advantages seems to be that
a) He will not tolerate failure and is therefore likely to get rid of Wenger
b) The "self sustainable" model can be ditched and we can compete financially with Man City/Chelsea.
The problem I have with b) is that seems to put the failure to properly invest in the team over the last couple of seasons as a problem created by the Board rather than Wenger. I thought the consensus on this forum (which I agree with) was that it's Wenger's fault for buying dross/not getting rid of rubbish players, gambling high wages on "potential" etc. Why then do we need Usmanov to correct this problem, when we "just" need Wenger to go?
Tonton Zola Moukoko wrote:Even if you are prepared to look past Usamnov's background (and I'm not), what are the advantages of him coming in is? The advantages seems to be that
a) He will not tolerate failure and is therefore likely to get rid of Wenger
b) The "self sustainable" model can be ditched and we can compete financially with Man City/Chelsea.
The problem I have with b) is that seems to put the failure to properly invest in the team over the last couple of seasons as a problem created by the Board rather than Wenger. I thought the consensus on this forum (which I agree with) was that it's Wenger's fault for buying dross/not getting rid of rubbish players, gambling high wages on "potential" etc. Why then do we need Usmanov to correct this problem, when we "just" need Wenger to go?
Because the present board will not sack Wenger and he wont walk away from £7m a year.
Tonton Zola Moukoko wrote:Even if you are prepared to look past Usamnov's background (and I'm not), what are the advantages of him coming in is? The advantages seems to be that
a) He will not tolerate failure and is therefore likely to get rid of Wenger
b) The "self sustainable" model can be ditched and we can compete financially with Man City/Chelsea.
The problem I have with b) is that seems to put the failure to properly invest in the team over the last couple of seasons as a problem created by the Board rather than Wenger. I thought the consensus on this forum (which I agree with) was that it's Wenger's fault for buying dross/not getting rid of rubbish players, gambling high wages on "potential" etc. Why then do we need Usmanov to correct this problem, when we "just" need Wenger to go?
Because the present board will not sack Wenger and he wont walk away from £7m a year.
Spot on, AW is a spent force.
Wage bill is very misleading because its calculated very differently at everyclub. A 10m difference can easily be a 30-40million difference if calculated in a certain way.
Yes AW probably done well on the financial side, but thats not his job.
Our team has absolutely no plan b, we just plain shite! Thats his job.
Something Usmanov can do is to promise to pay off the stadium debt, and not have to throw money at the team, which puts us in vunerable position of not adhering to UEFA's financial fair play.
Neither kronke or usmanov have said they would do this. With no debt to pay surely that would free up 30-40 million we are currently paying to service the debt, free to go towards the team. With a reported total worth of £16 billion, our two majority shareholders must be able to look down the side of their respective sofa's and find the £220 million needed to pay off the debt.
Tonton Zola Moukoko wrote:Even if you are prepared to look past Usamnov's background (and I'm not), what are the advantages of him coming in is? The advantages seems to be that
a) He will not tolerate failure and is therefore likely to get rid of Wenger
b) The "self sustainable" model can be ditched and we can compete financially with Man City/Chelsea.
The problem I have with b) is that seems to put the failure to properly invest in the team over the last couple of seasons as a problem created by the Board rather than Wenger. I thought the consensus on this forum (which I agree with) was that it's Wenger's fault for buying dross/not getting rid of rubbish players, gambling high wages on "potential" etc. Why then do we need Usmanov to correct this problem, when we "just" need Wenger to go?
Because the present board will not sack Wenger and he wont walk away from £7m a year.
I cannot believe that donaldo actually needed to respond to that question Yes wenger must take the majority of the blame for our current state but he has a board above him that has allowed him absolute control and have made no effort to pull him back into line or hold him accountable for his ongoing fcuk ups Other issues like 6.5% increase, phw's constant embarassing rants to the media and an absolute disgraceful strategy of personal vendetta's being more important that the interests of the club - this was started by fizman ( ) and has been continued by kroenke, phw and all the other *word censored* on the board and this policy has seen the expulsion of DD and the continued exclusion of a man that owns almost 30% of the club and for the life of me I cannot get my head around how that can happen
Yes wenger must take the majority of the blame for our current state but he has a board above him that has allowed him absolute control and have made no effort to pull him back into line or hold him accountable for his ongoing fcuk ups 
Other issues like 6.5% increase, phw's constant embarassing rants to the media and an absolute disgraceful strategy of personal vendetta's being more important that the interests of the club - this was started by fizman ( 
