Shenley

[Babatunde]

Pointless exercise, the players and manager knows the support is split and some want him gone, what is this gonna show him? That one or two supporters in flip flops want him gone? He knows.

You heard da man ARSENE KNOWS ok?


P.S: Yah it will have no impact doing it at the training ground. Because like, the Liverpool fans who did it at Melwood had no impact on the owners' attitude did it? Yah Arsene KNOWS already....
Must be why he openly claims the empty seats are because of the financial crisis! And not because of his shit management...Wenger is oblivious to the fact that MANY, many fans want him gone.

Far as I'm concerned Frank Butcher you have my support.
I remember people like Gunnersaurus telling us back in 2009 that Arsene 'definitely knows' that Almunia was not good enough and 'definitely' knew there was a massive problem with our defending.

Apparently it's so obvious...that Wenger did fuck all about it! Our defensive problems and transfer market ambition this summer were also Obvious but it seems Mr Knows never knew!

It's clear he's a thick stupid bastard, and if he cannot see he how shit his defending is, if he cannot see the weakness of his midfield etc (and he cannot) then it is clear he is mentally deficient.

Things that are obvious to the whole world and have been for years are completely unknown to Wenger! So I think Frank Butcher will be doing Mr Knows a massive favour by spelling this out to him.

Therefore he will be in no doubt as to the fans being angry because of his ineptitude and NOT the economic crisis

[Gunnersaurus]

Now you're just showing yourself up by being defensive, you haven't really thought this through have you?

If you had you wouldn't have broadcast your intentions and then watch all your support blow out for one reason or another when the time had come to take action.

Sorry if stating the obvious causes offence but the only way you will make an impact is by doing it in the ground and having supporters with you, anything else might aswell be a Facebook group, you should have cared less about cock waving and back patting and thought more about a plan of action which right now looks a bit non exsistant.

Ps. No, I'm not an AKB, understand the difference between him knowing that his popularity is declining to him knowing how to manage the team.

[Boomer]

I know a route into the training ground. There's a layby in Shenley that we can park up in and then a track that takes you down to the back of the training ground. We can hang the banner from a hedgerow. All the players would see it. Someone can film it on an I-phone and send it to the press.

Thoughts?

That sounds like a good idea as the land behind the training ground does not belong to Arsenal and therefore they have no right to remove you unlike the stormtroopers in the spacebowl.

How do you know about the land behind the training ground??

Have you been doing awaydays from deepest Yorkshire to recce the place?

Have you been meeting FrankB on these forages?

Funnily enough I had a mate at Uni in first year whose parents' house backed on to the Watford side of the training ground. Reckoned he used to get loads of footballs in his back garden which he then e-bayed.

Must FB him.

Cool! (That's Bendtner for you!)

You should fire back some Arsenal AFC not PLC balls back over the fence!

[Babatunde]

Now you're just showing yourself up by being defensive, you haven't really thought this through have you?

If you had you wouldn't have broadcast your intentions and then watch all your support blow out for one reason or another when the time had come to take action.

Sorry if stating the obvious causes offence but the only way you will make an impact is by doing it in the ground and having supporters with you, anything else might aswell be a Facebook group, you should have cared less about cock waving and back patting and thought more about a plan of action which right now looks a bit non exsistant.

Ps. No, I'm not an AKB, understand the difference between him knowing that his popularity is declining to him knowing how to manage the team.

You seem incredibly determined to stop this public criticism of Wenger Gunnersaurus. Interesting.

Firstly, you were vehemently opposed to the original banner and sounded furious at the prospect...

Next, you think this excercise at the training ground is pointless?

I don't think the flag idea is stupid. If anything just watching your furious reaction to something apparently so inconsequential, watching the venomous AKBs fretting and even begging to have ALL banners banned, seeing John Cross take the time to pen a piece on the flag, seeing the Sun potentially running a similar story about fan dissatisfaction about AW, seeing the club itself send pathetic letters and show up its lack of class, and seeing the massive debate it has generated....

I would say that those with the flag idea have already won! It's a massive topic, even non-Arsenal fans know about it now.

If the training ground idea is gonna have no impact then why are you so detrmined to speak out against it? Surely Frank Butcher will just fail and nothing else will come of it? Riiiight? Right.

I think your determination to talk down this training ground idea is as transparent as your original determination to talk down the flag idea! If it's so useless then you should let FrankButcher get on with it.

As it goes, I think it will make a slight impact for sure....especially if the press pick up on it, the pressure on Wenger will magnify BIG-TIME!

[Gunnersaurus]

Now you're just showing yourself up by being defensive, you haven't really thought this through have you?

If you had you wouldn't have broadcast your intentions and then watch all your support blow out for one reason or another when the time had come to take action.

Sorry if stating the obvious causes offence but the only way you will make an impact is by doing it in the ground and having supporters with you, anything else might aswell be a Facebook group, you should have cared less about cock waving and back patting and thought more about a plan of action which right now looks a bit non exsistant.

Ps. No, I'm not an AKB, understand the difference between him knowing that his popularity is declining to him knowing how to manage the team.

You seem incredibly determined to stop this public criticism of Wenger Gunnersaurus. Interesting.

Firstly, you were vehemently opposed to the original banner and sounded furious at the prospect...

Next, you think this excercise at the training ground is pointless?

I don't think the flag idea is stupid. If anything just watching your furious reaction to something apparently so inconsequential, watching the venomous AKBs fretting and even begging to have ALL banners banned, seeing John Cross take the time to pen a piece on the flag, seeing the Sun potentially running a similar story about fan dissatisfaction about AW, seeing the club itself send pathetic letters and show up its lack of class, and seeing the massive debate it has generated....

I would say that those with the flag idea have already won! It's a massive topic, even non-Arsenal fans know about it now.

If the training ground idea is gonna have no impact then why are you so detrmined to speak out against it? Surely Frank Butcher will just fail and nothing else will come of it? Riiiight? Right.

I think your determination to talk down this training ground idea is as transparent as your original determination to talk down the flag idea! If it's so useless then you should let FrankButcher get on with it.

As it goes, I think it will make a slight impact for sure....especially if the press pick up on it, the pressure on Wenger will magnify BIG-TIME!

It's interesting to you because you are showing signs of someone incapable of understanding or reading anyone elses views other than your own, i'm very critical of Wenger and always have been so lets nip that one in the bud to save going round in circles.

I am against you rolling it out at Chelsea, WHL or Old Trafford, nothing more, nothing less, I respect peoples right to protest so give it your best but if you're gonna do it then at least have some leadership and direction because if you are looking unorganised and wishy washy to me or dare I say us then imagine what the rest of the country will think and any sort of impact you hope to have with the message will just turn into a big anti climax where people will be laughing at you and we don't want that, you're already on the verge of being upstaged by Lady Arse or whatever she's called and your response is to go to the training ground, i'm pretty sure i can figure out who's message will get rammed home the loudest.

You have won nothing other then getting some attention for yourself, everyone knows the support is split, that was there for all to see at the end of last season, you haven't brought it to the attention of the world, granted you have moved and in a way you deserve some credit for doing what you believe in but you either have to see it through properly or put it down to an idea that fizzled out.

[DB10GOONER]

Have to agree with Gunnersaurus.

What is the intended aim of bringing the flag to the training ground?

Is it to get media attention?

Is it to get the players to stop playing for their boss? To get them to criticise him? The guy that let's them play?

If you want media attention then a home game is the best bet. I too would object to doing it at The Drain, Old Shatford or Cuntford Bridge. Never give the oppo (especially those 3) any extra ammo on their turf.

Showing it to the players will achieve nothing. Have you guys heard the players being interviewed? Arsene decides whether they play or sit in the reserves. They will NEVER criticise him or do anything to jeopardise their future. Ultimately they don't give much of a fuck about the club or the fans. They are employees, nothing more.

You also might want to be careful about whose land you are on. Tresspass is a nice easy way to get a criminal record.

[Gunnersaurus]

Exactly this, the players don't care, that is there for all to see, the manager don't care because you haven't worked a day in football, the supporters care, it's those that you need to get onside.

[g88ner]

Now you're just showing yourself up by being defensive, you haven't really thought this through have you?

If you had you wouldn't have broadcast your intentions and then watch all your support blow out for one reason or another when the time had come to take action.

Sorry if stating the obvious causes offence but the only way you will make an impact is by doing it in the ground and having supporters with you, anything else might aswell be a Facebook group, you should have cared less about cock waving and back patting and thought more about a plan of action which right now looks a bit non exsistant.

Ps. No, I'm not an AKB, understand the difference between him knowing that his popularity is declining to him knowing how to manage the team.

You seem incredibly determined to stop this public criticism of Wenger Gunnersaurus. Interesting.

Firstly, you were vehemently opposed to the original banner and sounded furious at the prospect...

Next, you think this excercise at the training ground is pointless?

I don't think the flag idea is stupid. If anything just watching your furious reaction to something apparently so inconsequential, watching the venomous AKBs fretting and even begging to have ALL banners banned, seeing John Cross take the time to pen a piece on the flag, seeing the Sun potentially running a similar story about fan dissatisfaction about AW, seeing the club itself send pathetic letters and show up its lack of class, and seeing the massive debate it has generated....

I would say that those with the flag idea have already won! It's a massive topic, even non-Arsenal fans know about it now.

If the training ground idea is gonna have no impact then why are you so detrmined to speak out against it? Surely Frank Butcher will just fail and nothing else will come of it? Riiiight? Right.

I think your determination to talk down this training ground idea is as transparent as your original determination to talk down the flag idea! If it's so useless then you should let FrankButcher get on with it.

As it goes, I think it will make a slight impact for sure....especially if the press pick up on it, the pressure on Wenger will magnify BIG-TIME!

There's something very USMartin about that reply to Gunnersaurus

Babatunde, I get that you're one of these intense type of posters who feed off controversy and heated debate, but even though you and USMartin have very different views, you've both got this horrible way of putting words in people's mouths and making their views seem far more extreme than they actually are.

If you continue posting that way, people will eventually switch off and your often valid views won't be taken seriously regardless of what you write.

Seriously, do you really want to be USMartin MKII? - if so, carry on...

[Babatunde]

Now you're just showing yourself up by being defensive, you haven't really thought this through have you?

If you had you wouldn't have broadcast your intentions and then watch all your support blow out for one reason or another when the time had come to take action.

Sorry if stating the obvious causes offence but the only way you will make an impact is by doing it in the ground and having supporters with you, anything else might aswell be a Facebook group, you should have cared less about cock waving and back patting and thought more about a plan of action which right now looks a bit non exsistant.

Ps. No, I'm not an AKB, understand the difference between him knowing that his popularity is declining to him knowing how to manage the team.

You seem incredibly determined to stop this public criticism of Wenger Gunnersaurus. Interesting.

Firstly, you were vehemently opposed to the original banner and sounded furious at the prospect...

Next, you think this excercise at the training ground is pointless?

I don't think the flag idea is stupid. If anything just watching your furious reaction to something apparently so inconsequential, watching the venomous AKBs fretting and even begging to have ALL banners banned, seeing John Cross take the time to pen a piece on the flag, seeing the Sun potentially running a similar story about fan dissatisfaction about AW, seeing the club itself send pathetic letters and show up its lack of class, and seeing the massive debate it has generated....

I would say that those with the flag idea have already won! It's a massive topic, even non-Arsenal fans know about it now.

If the training ground idea is gonna have no impact then why are you so detrmined to speak out against it? Surely Frank Butcher will just fail and nothing else will come of it? Riiiight? Right.

I think your determination to talk down this training ground idea is as transparent as your original determination to talk down the flag idea! If it's so useless then you should let FrankButcher get on with it.

As it goes, I think it will make a slight impact for sure....especially if the press pick up on it, the pressure on Wenger will magnify BIG-TIME!

It's interesting to you because you are showing signs of someone incapable of understanding or reading anyone elses views other than your own, i'm very critical of Wenger and always have been so lets nip that one in the bud to save going round in circles.

I am against you rolling it out at Chelsea, WHL or Old Trafford, nothing more, nothing less, I respect peoples right to protest so give it your best but if you're gonna do it then at least have some leadership and direction because if you are looking unorganised and wishy washy to me or dare I say us then imagine what the rest of the country will think and any sort of impact you hope to have with the message will just turn into a big anti climax where people will be laughing at you and we don't want that, you're already on the verge of being upstaged by Lady Arse or whatever she's called and your response is to go to the training ground, i'm pretty sure i can figure out who's message will get rammed home the loudest.

You have won nothing other then getting some attention for yourself, everyone knows the support is split, that was there for all to see at the end of last season, you haven't brought it to the attention of the world, granted you have moved and in a way you deserve some credit for doing what you believe in but you either have to see it through properly or
put it down to an idea that fizzled out.

Gunnersaurus.
Before we proceed further, I have to say that your consistent use of the term 'You' is surely a first sign of dementia?
I did not suggest the flag idea, I believe SWL Gooner did. And I merely backed his idea. Right.

Next, I think your memory clearly doesn't extend far enough. Go back and read the original venom you spewed at SWL Gooner for suggesting the flag idea. Not calling you an AKB but it had all the classic traits:

1. Venomous refusal to accept Wenger critique? Check.
2. Accusations of betrayal? Check.

Why are you against this flag being rolled out against Man United? Do you think because it might give ManYoo fans an idea that our club is split, massively divided and lacking in direction? NEWSFLASH: a flag won't let them know all that, getting gang-raped EIGHT-TWO is all the evidence they need.

Why not show it at Chelsea? They are not our rivals. They have been winning things and signing big players for years. Arsenal have been a circus club for years. We are Chelsea's rivals no more than QPR or West Ham are.

Your next spurious claim is that 'everyone knows the support is split'.

Classic absolutism there. No. Not EVERYONE knows it. Opposition fans, many of them, still think that Arsenal fans back Wenger! Having this banner story come to light clearly elucidates that Arsenal fans DO NOT want Wenger around any longer - at least, many many of us don't.

Now to LadyArse: who has that bitch upstaged? No one. She is merely shouting the loudest. You want to talk about lacking direction? Well how about some retarded woman, who, only decided to make a banner after she heard someone else had ALREADY commissioned one first? It's reactionary, it isn't proactive. If anything she is showing her desperation up, hiding behind the censorship culture of our Communist dictat of a club. She would never ever have had the idea unless this one had brought it to her attention.

So all she has done is reveal what a clueless tart she is, by copy-pasting someone else's idea and attempting to shout them down. She further outdid herself by running a Twitter poll on Wenger which massively backfired on her!!!!

So who looks a prize plum now then? Hmmm?

I agree with you on one thing: and that is seeing it through. THAT is something that needs to be done.

Your final point is a strange one still: you claim to know the difference between Le Twat knowing his popularity is declining and his ability to manage the team.

He knows neither. So what are you on about?

You must be living in Bin Laden's disused cave if you think Wenger knows his popularity is declining. Oh what - just as he 'knew' what needed to be done over summer? Just as he 'knew' that Almunia wasn't good enough when everyone said it in 2009? Just as he 'knew' we needed to get a defensive coach in?

I will repeat this because you are glossing over it: what is OBVIOUS to the whole world, is stuff that Wenger is oblivious to. On the football side and on other issues too. He has repeated again today that the empty seats at the Emirates are due to the recession.

Even though people with tickets paid in advance do not bother showing up.

So you are giving him a ridiculous amount of credit by saying 'he knows already'.

Even if he does, what harm will it do to remind the idiot then?

[Gunnersaurus]

I give up, I'm losing the will to live and read through another essay where you only see what you want to see.

[g88ner]

I give up, I'm losing the will to live and read through another essay where you only see what you want to see.

As I said above, he's USMartin MKII

[Babatunde]

Have to agree with Gunnersaurus.

What is the intended aim of bringing the flag to the training ground?

Showing it to the players will achieve nothing. Have you guys heard the players being interviewed? Arsene decides whether they play or sit in the reserves. They will NEVER criticise him or do anything to jeopardise their future. Ultimately they don't give much of a fuck about the club or the fans. They are employees, nothing more.

You also might want to be careful about whose land you are on. Tresspass is a nice easy way to get a criminal record.

DB10 I totally see your logic BUT...few things.

1. The quality players will NEVER be afraid to speak out agains Wenger and go against him. They all do it. Henry did it before Spuds at home (and was dropped). Vieira did it several times. Cesc did it non-stop for a year and a half. Nasri slated Wenger in the French press. RVP has started talking Wenger down, not one supportive comment and had a pop even at his tactics.

The point here DB10 is that if you look at the pattern you will see that the class players are never ever afraid of breaking ranks with AW.

The ones that never speak out against him are the shit/unproven ones who are on nice gravy and don't want to rock the boat. With regards to the supportive interviews I have heard on AW the loudest voices have been: Alex Thong, Frimpong, Diaby and Chamakh.

Now. In terms of senior players not on quality senior player has come out and backed AW. The only class player that has is Wilshere - and he is a kid whose whole career he feels he owes to AW.

I don't think we need to persuade the players to stop playing for AW mate, they stopped doing that years ago. Look at the look of disgust RVP gives AW at OT. Look at the 4-4 Newcastle. Look at the lack of pride in every single one of the last 4 NLD. Then tell me the players are responding to, or playing for that manager?

2. I do not get the 'not at Chelski/MU' attitude??
We sent magnificent support up to OT and got the biggest pounding in PL history in a big game. What more ammo does ANYONE need but that EIGHT-TWO and Blackburn away? You think a FLAG is gonna be the ammo that really kills it!!!

Nah bruv. The performances on the pitch is where it's at.

[Babatunde]

I give up, I'm losing the will to live and read through another essay where you only see what you want to see.

I've got plenty of rope to assist you if you like mate....

[DB10GOONER]

Have to agree with Gunnersaurus.

What is the intended aim of bringing the flag to the training ground?

Showing it to the players will achieve nothing. Have you guys heard the players being interviewed? Arsene decides whether they play or sit in the reserves. They will NEVER criticise him or do anything to jeopardise their future. Ultimately they don't give much of a fuck about the club or the fans. They are employees, nothing more.

You also might want to be careful about whose land you are on. Tresspass is a nice easy way to get a criminal record.

DB10 I totally see your logic BUT...few things.

1. The quality players will NEVER be afraid to speak out agains Wenger and go against him. They all do it. Henry did it before Spuds at home (and was dropped). Vieira did it several times. Cesc did it non-stop for a year and a half. Nasri slated Wenger in the French press. RVP has started talking Wenger down, not one supportive comment and had a pop even at his tactics.

The point here DB10 is that if you look at the pattern you will see that the class players are never ever afraid of breaking ranks with AW.

The ones that never speak out against him are the shit/unproven ones who are on nice gravy and don't want to rock the boat. With regards to the supportive interviews I have heard on AW the loudest voices have been: Alex Thong, Frimpong, Diaby and Chamakh.

Now. In terms of senior players not on quality senior player has come out and backed AW. The only class player that has is Wilshere - and he is a kid whose whole career he feels he owes to AW.

I don't think we need to persuade the players to stop playing for AW mate, they stopped doing that years ago. Look at the look of disgust RVP gives AW at OT. Look at the 4-4 Newcastle. Look at the lack of pride in every single one of the last 4 NLD. Then tell me the players are responding to, or playing for that manager?

2. I do not get the 'not at Chelski/MU' attitude??
We sent magnificent support up to OT and got the biggest pounding in PL history in a big game. What more ammo does ANYONE need but that EIGHT-TWO and Blackburn away? You think a FLAG is gonna be the ammo that really kills it!!!

Nah bruv. The performances on the pitch is where it's at.

That's fair enough, mate.

But; ( )

1. I wasn't refering to previous players. Just the current mob that will be at the training ground and practically none of them are "quality". RVP looking pissed off in the general direction of the bench isn't quite the same as RVP taking Wenger to task over his mismanagement though, is it?

2. I'm old school in alot of my views. I make no apologies for that. I just remember the days you went to an oppo ground and the whole point of it was to get one up on the oppo fans as much as anything else. To outsing and outchant them. To never let them get one up on you. Going to those places and whining like bitches ( ) about our own club (no matter how justified) is just not on in my book. That's just my opinion.

[Babatunde]

Now you're just showing yourself up by being defensive, you haven't really thought this through have you?

If you had you wouldn't have broadcast your intentions and then watch all your support blow out for one reason or another when the time had come to take action.

Sorry if stating the obvious causes offence but the only way you will make an impact is by doing it in the ground and having supporters with you, anything else might aswell be a Facebook group, you should have cared less about cock waving and back patting and thought more about a plan of action which right now looks a bit non exsistant.

Ps. No, I'm not an AKB, understand the difference between him knowing that his popularity is declining to him knowing how to manage the team.

You seem incredibly determined to stop this public criticism of Wenger Gunnersaurus. Interesting.

Firstly, you were vehemently opposed to the original banner and sounded furious at the prospect...

Next, you think this excercise at the training ground is pointless?

I don't think the flag idea is stupid. If anything just watching your furious reaction to something apparently so inconsequential, watching the venomous AKBs fretting and even begging to have ALL banners banned, seeing John Cross take the time to pen a piece on the flag, seeing the Sun potentially running a similar story about fan dissatisfaction about AW, seeing the club itself send pathetic letters and show up its lack of class, and seeing the massive debate it has generated....

I would say that those with the flag idea have already won! It's a massive topic, even non-Arsenal fans know about it now.

If the training ground idea is gonna have no impact then why are you so detrmined to speak out against it? Surely Frank Butcher will just fail and nothing else will come of it? Riiiight? Right.

I think your determination to talk down this training ground idea is as transparent as your original determination to talk down the flag idea! If it's so useless then you should let FrankButcher get on with it.

As it goes, I think it will make a slight impact for sure....especially if the press pick up on it, the pressure on Wenger will magnify BIG-TIME!

There's something very USMartin about that reply to Gunnersaurus

Babatunde, I get that you're one of these intense type of posters who feed off controversy and heated debate, but even though you and USMartin have very different views, you've both got this horrible way of putting words in people's mouths and making their views seem far more extreme than they actually are.

If you continue posting that way, people will eventually switch off and your often valid views won't be taken seriously regardless of what you write.

Seriously, do you really want to be USMartin MKII? - if so, carry on...

All due respect I'd rather take the advice of a suicide bomber strapped up to the eyeballs in explosive diarrhoea than listen to anything you've gotta say.

From the get-go your only response to a post I make is to se the fuckwitted response that it is tantamount to US Martin. That marked you out as a fucking plonker (all due respect) from the day one. So I couldn't give a toss what you think of my posting style. I reply at length in times sure. But if you can't see the difference between my replies and that Yank plank then more fool you, ays a lot about you.

Not all my answers are long. Sometimes they're short enough to tell someone to shut the fuck up and keep their retarded counsel to themselves....