Shenley

[Percy Dalton]

[Babatunde]

Have to agree with Gunnersaurus.

What is the intended aim of bringing the flag to the training ground?

Showing it to the players will achieve nothing. Have you guys heard the players being interviewed? Arsene decides whether they play or sit in the reserves. They will NEVER criticise him or do anything to jeopardise their future. Ultimately they don't give much of a fuck about the club or the fans. They are employees, nothing more.

You also might want to be careful about whose land you are on. Tresspass is a nice easy way to get a criminal record.

DB10 I totally see your logic BUT...few things.

1. The quality players will NEVER be afraid to speak out agains Wenger and go against him. They all do it. Henry did it before Spuds at home (and was dropped). Vieira did it several times. Cesc did it non-stop for a year and a half. Nasri slated Wenger in the French press. RVP has started talking Wenger down, not one supportive comment and had a pop even at his tactics.

The point here DB10 is that if you look at the pattern you will see that the class players are never ever afraid of breaking ranks with AW.

The ones that never speak out against him are the shit/unproven ones who are on nice gravy and don't want to rock the boat. With regards to the supportive interviews I have heard on AW the loudest voices have been: Alex Thong, Frimpong, Diaby and Chamakh.

Now. In terms of senior players not on quality senior player has come out and backed AW. The only class player that has is Wilshere - and he is a kid whose whole career he feels he owes to AW.

I don't think we need to persuade the players to stop playing for AW mate, they stopped doing that years ago. Look at the look of disgust RVP gives AW at OT. Look at the 4-4 Newcastle. Look at the lack of pride in every single one of the last 4 NLD. Then tell me the players are responding to, or playing for that manager?

2. I do not get the 'not at Chelski/MU' attitude??
We sent magnificent support up to OT and got the biggest pounding in PL history in a big game. What more ammo does ANYONE need but that EIGHT-TWO and Blackburn away? You think a FLAG is gonna be the ammo that really kills it!!!

Nah bruv. The performances on the pitch is where it's at.

That's fair enough, mate.

But; ( )

1. I wasn't refering to previous players. Just the current mob that will be at the training ground and practically none of them are "quality". RVP looking pissed off in the general direction of the bench isn't quite the same as RVP taking Wenger to task over his mismanagement though, is it?

2. I'm old school in alot of my views. I make no apologies for that. I just remember the days you went to an oppo ground and the whole point of it was to get one up on the oppo fans as much as anything else. To outsing and outchant them. To never let them get one up on you. Going to those places and whining like bitches ( ) about our own club (no matter how justified) is just not on in my book. That's just my opinion.

Fair enough brah. I am old school too....but Le Nob has hacked me off so much the rule-book has now been torn up and I honestly think any and every tactic should be used to get him out...He and his cronies don't mind fighting us dirty (censorship, 6.5%) so I think new more underhand methods are fair game! Totally see why you wouldn't do it at those grounds and I woulda been with you up until last year when Wenger's arrogance and the club's became so breathtaking.

Spuds away though agree you don't do it there...anywhere else though...

[Babatunde]

LOL

[QuartzGooner]

Now you're just showing yourself up by being defensive, you haven't really thought this through have you?

If you had you wouldn't have broadcast your intentions and then watch all your support blow out for one reason or another when the time had come to take action.

Sorry if stating the obvious causes offence but the only way you will make an impact is by doing it in the ground and having supporters with you, anything else might aswell be a Facebook group, you should have cared less about cock waving and back patting and thought more about a plan of action which right now looks a bit non exsistant.

Ps. No, I'm not an AKB, understand the difference between him knowing that his popularity is declining to him knowing how to manage the team.

You seem incredibly determined to stop this public criticism of Wenger Gunnersaurus. Interesting.

Firstly, you were vehemently opposed to the original banner and sounded furious at the prospect...

Next, you think this excercise at the training ground is pointless?

I don't think the flag idea is stupid. If anything just watching your furious reaction to something apparently so inconsequential, watching the venomous AKBs fretting and even begging to have ALL banners banned, seeing John Cross take the time to pen a piece on the flag, seeing the Sun potentially running a similar story about fan dissatisfaction about AW, seeing the club itself send pathetic letters and show up its lack of class, and seeing the massive debate it has generated....

I would say that those with the flag idea have already won! It's a massive topic, even non-Arsenal fans know about it now.

If the training ground idea is gonna have no impact then why are you so detrmined to speak out against it? Surely Frank Butcher will just fail and nothing else will come of it? Riiiight? Right.

I think your determination to talk down this training ground idea is as transparent as your original determination to talk down the flag idea! If it's so useless then you should let FrankButcher get on with it.

As it goes, I think it will make a slight impact for sure....especially if the press pick up on it, the pressure on Wenger will magnify BIG-TIME!

There's something very USMartin about that reply to Gunnersaurus

Babatunde, I get that you're one of these intense type of posters who feed off controversy and heated debate, but even though you and USMartin have very different views, you've both got this horrible way of putting words in people's mouths and making their views seem far more extreme than they actually are.

If you continue posting that way, people will eventually switch off and your often valid views won't be taken seriously regardless of what you write.

Seriously, do you really want to be USMartin MKII? - if so, carry on...

All due respect I'd rather take the advice of a suicide bomber strapped up to the eyeballs in explosive diarrhoea than listen to anything you've gotta say.

From the get-go your only response to a post I make is to se the fuckwitted response that it is tantamount to US Martin. That marked you out as a fucking plonker (all due respect) from the day one. So I couldn't give a toss what you think of my posting style. I reply at length in times sure. But if you can't see the difference between my replies and that Yank plank then more fool you, ays a lot about you.

Not all my answers are long. Sometimes they're short enough to tell someone to shut the fuck up and keep their retarded counsel to themselves....

Babatunde

Seriously, whoever you are, your posts are not a patch on G88ner's, who is one of the best posters on here and well respected.

I do not think you stupid, far from it, but whether you realise it or not Babatunde, your posts come across in an inciteful way that looks as if they are seeking emotional and extreme reaction rather than reasoned respectful debate.

Either you are a very highly strung bloke who is amped up far more than the regular person (if so can it be good for your health?), or you are on here for a nefarious purpose.

[Babatunde]

Oh it's as black and white as that is it Quartz?
It's amazing how some people honestly think that an online forum is a real-life psychoanalytical evaluative tool.

If you think that about me dude, think whatever you shall! I'm not here to persuade you otherwise. You can write sonnets to G88ner's posts, I'm thrilled for the two of you.

I said I couldn't give a monkeys about whether he (or certain others) like my posts or not. Some do, some don't. Period. It's a fucking forum, not the United Nations General Assembly where you wait for the Republic of Matongola to politely assess your motion before carrying on.

PLEASE.

I'll post what I want, how I want, so long as it does not contravene the laws of basic etiquette, and doesn't directly abuse anyone in a racial or otherwise maner.

As for your views? Thanks. I'll send these over to Anne Robinson on Points of View and come back to you....

[Babatunde]

P.S: What kind of an accolade is 'well respected poster'?
Will Slaughter and May call me up for an interview if I stick that on my cv?!
Genuinely curious.

'Mr Tunde, what kind of legal qualifications and outstanding cases make you a viable candidate for us?'

Me: 'I am a well respected poster on an Arsenal forum'.

SIGN HIM UP!!!!

[QuartzGooner]

Basically it shows that G88ner comes across as a well adjusted human being able to converse and socialise in an adult manner.

And let's be honest, you do not show basic etiquette on here. You use sarcasm and insult far too frequently to be considered someone concerned with etiquette.

You seem intelligent, but appear to post to provoke emotional reaction, rather than to discuss and explore subjects in a reasoned manner.

[mike]

Babatunde has the same sort of condescending tone as Roly!

[Sutch]

Why does there need to be infighting in the anti-wenger camp? Most members of this forum myself included are completely against the *word censored*, liar, fraud, and total joke posing as a manager, so isn't the best way to achieve results here to do things as a unit if you like?

The training ground idea is a good one, if the press (Our most powerful ally) see it then that increases the pressure on the spineless dickbag tenfold. It will also show the idiots singing his name don't represent the majority opinion.

[Babatunde]

Why does there need to be infighting in the anti-wenger camp? Most members of this forum myself included are completely against the c**t, liar, fraud, and total joke posing as a manager, so isn't the best way to achieve results here to do things as a unit if you like?

The training ground idea is a good one, if the press (Our most powerful ally) see it then that increases the pressure on the spineless dickbag tenfold. It will also show the idiots singing his name don't represent the majority opinion.

Completely agree. Anything that increases the pressure for me cannot be construed as negative.

Oh and Quartz mate, sorry I started reading your post but then I saw a really wicked cloud! Gonna go fly my kite now toodle-pip....

(And yes I am a tad sarcastic LOL)

[armchair]

How far do ya think we'd get if the banner was unfurled "outside" the grove on Sunday before the match and walked loud and proud up to the stadium.
At what stage would the yellowcoats block it?

Just something thats been kicking around in my head all day.......

[Jumpers For Goalposts]

How far do ya think we'd get if the banner was unfurled "outside" the grove on Sunday before the match and walked loud and proud up to the stadium.
At what stage would the yellowcoats block it?

Just something thats been kicking around in my head all day.......

Exactly what I was thinking. The media are waiting for it so at least 1 and possible several cameras will see it and print / broadcast it.

But ultimately it's up to SWL and his mates. They've done the hard work so it's gotta be their call.

[armchair]

How far do ya think we'd get if the banner was unfurled "outside" the grove on Sunday before the match and walked loud and proud up to the stadium.
At what stage would the yellowcoats block it?

Just something thats been kicking around in my head all day.......

Exactly what I was thinking. The media are waiting for it so at least 1 and possible several cameras will see it and print / broadcast it.

But ultimately it's up to SWL and his mates. They've done the hard work so it's gotta be their call.

Yep. Serious photo op. Gooners refused entry into their own ground by the men in yellow coats for what? Carrying a non-offensive banner.

I'm still holdin out some hope that 'something' will happen tomorrow

[topcat]

Pointless exercise, the players and manager knows the support is split and some want him gone, what is this gonna show him? That one or two supporters in flip flops want him gone? He knows.

You can't dodge round the fact that you've made a big song and dance about the banner and now its the time to stand up and show your stuff, if you've got cold feet then so be it.

Going to the training ground will have less of an impact then people booing.

[frankbutcher]

Pointless exercise, the players and manager knows the support is split and some want him gone, what is this gonna show him? That one or two supporters in flip flops want him gone? He knows.

You can't dodge round the fact that you've made a big song and dance about the banner and now its the time to stand up and show your stuff, if you've got cold feet then so be it.

Going to the training ground will have less of an impact then people booing.

Comedy genius in spades!