As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Red Member wrote:Since when has Wenger called the fans stupid??
although probably if he had met you he would be right to do so.
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You red member, are a comically thrush-ridden vagina.
I've told you I refuse to respond to anyone who lives in a quagmire of French shit. (also known as Wenger's anus).
Come on Red Member. Tell us some more pearls of wisdom about how we will be in the CL next year, how we are going to win it this year and how it's acceptable to get beat 8-2 at OT so long as you win your 'massive game' against big club Udinese! Come on I need a laugh bitch!
Or you could ask us again what Redknapp has ever won in the past 5/6 years again, telling us he can't even win a Carling Cup...(that trophy he won at Portsmouth was plastic you see).
Ok ok, I've laughed enough. Now go fuck yourself (once you've taken your cock out of Arsene's mouth).
flash gunner wrote:Its a massive insult to blatently lie to all of us. If he didnt know what would happen say nothing or say a watered down version rather than lying through his fucking teeth
So when arsene was sitting in press confrernces getting hammered with questions about whos leaving, whos next out etc you think he should have said something different?
Why say anything? Why not say 'there might be some in and some out'? Instead of blatently lying?
supermac wrote:Arsene was just trying to calm the growing media storm and send a message to the players.
Didnt do a very good job of it did he?
supermac wrote:We all knew certian players were on the way out but he has to try show strenght. I dont blame him for that at all, I knew what the score was so did you and every other gooner. What else would you have had him say..."err yes nasri & clichy are gone, fabregas has barca in his dna, arshavin couldnt care either way and theres 10 other pussys who want out now too". I dont see what other option he had really.
So youre saying that this is the truth that Wenger was hiding with his lies? Hardly a good indictment of his managership, is it?
Cockerill's chin wrote:Its his dressing room to a man though supermac. Perhaps he should have managed it better so it isn't full of those ten pussies or an Arshavin who doesn't give a toss.
I totally agree with that! and that would be my critism of him this summer he should have been more ruthless and acted sooner. But how much of that was due to him or due to the board I dont know for sure.. but imo AW get alot of stick for the boards in-action. I dont want Wenger out, I want kronke out. All hes good for is maintining the status quo.. and our (and arsene's) position will only get weaker under him
flash gunner wrote:Its a massive insult to blatently lie to all of us. If he didnt know what would happen say nothing or say a watered down version rather than lying through his fucking teeth
So when arsene was sitting in press confrernces getting hammered with questions about whos leaving, whos next out etc you think he should have said something different?
Why say anything? Why not say 'there might be some in and some out'? Instead of blatently lying?
supermac wrote:Arsene was just trying to calm the growing media storm and send a message to the players.
Didnt do a very good job of it did he?
supermac wrote:We all knew certian players were on the way out but he has to try show strenght. I dont blame him for that at all, I knew what the score was so did you and every other gooner. What else would you have had him say..."err yes nasri & clichy are gone, fabregas has barca in his dna, arshavin couldnt care either way and theres 10 other pussys who want out now too". I dont see what other option he had really.
So youre saying that this is the truth that Wenger was hiding with his lies? Hardly a good indictment of his managership, is it?
I honestly admire your efforts towards Care in the Community Flash.
Giving your time, effort and dedication to explain the facts of life to a couple of plastic spastics is commendable...I'm surprised you bother but you're a more patient man than I for sure!
For me, AW's stupidity in this situation is not the 'lying' that some posters are attacking but the interview he's just given. He should have let sleeping dogs lie.
No top managers slag off players to the press. It's quite reasonable that some things are kept behind closed doors.
Some posters have slagged AW for lying and for now telling the truth.
Imo he shouldn't have raked up the Summer. The players have gone, the situation's changed. Concentrate on the here-and-now.
flash gunner wrote:So youre saying that this is the truth that Wenger was hiding with his lies? Hardly a good indictment of his managership, is it?
im saying the truth that wenger is trying to hide is that we arent the club we used to be and thats not his fault! we dont have the pulling power we used to. its harder for wenger to attract and keep top players, hes trying his best, but the tide has turned on us and we havent kept pace. Get silent stan out, get the russian in and give Wenger the resources he needs to compete with city, chelsea and united and then we'd see whats what. Our ship is sinking, thats not Wengers fault, he keeps us afloat as best he can.
SpanishJoe wrote:For me, AW's stupidity in this situation is not the 'lying' that some posters are attacking but the interview he's just given. He should have let sleeping dogs lie.
true! hes brought it back into the spot light again. hes been honest about it but he would have done better by keppin stum.
flash gunner wrote:So youre saying that this is the truth that Wenger was hiding with his lies? Hardly a good indictment of his managership, is it?
im saying the truth that wenger is trying to hide is that we arent the club we used to be and thats not his fault! we dont have the pulling power we used to. its harder for wenger to attract and keep top players, hes trying his best, but the tide has turned on us and we havent kept pace. Get silent stan out, get the russian in and give Wenger the resources he needs to compete with city, chelsea and united and then we'd see whats what. Our ship is sinking, thats not Wengers fault, he keeps us afloat as best he can.
For a start by you not refering to my other points im guessing you agree with them.
and we have fallen behind and dont have the pulling power because of Wenger and in particular his pathetic 'project' where he buys youngsters and turns them into superstars... FFS we had a t-shirt for sale in the club shop during the summer saying on the front 'we dont buy superstars we make them' He and the board in equal measures have fucked the club over and we will be struggling to catch up for the next few years.
If Usmanov came in and Wenger spent big he would be the biggest hypocrite in world football after knocking and mocking the chavs and city for the last few years, it aint gonna happen. Usmanov in - Wenger out this is the truth IMO
flash gunner wrote:Its a massive insult to blatently lie to all of us. If he didnt know what would happen say nothing or say a watered down version rather than lying through his fucking teeth
So when arsene was sitting in press confrernces getting hammered with questions about whos leaving, whos next out etc you think he should have said something different? Arsene was just trying to calm the growing media storm and send a message to the players. We all knew certian players were on the way out but he has to try show strenght. I dont blame him for that at all, I knew what the score was so did you and every other gooner. What else would you have had him say..."err yes nasri & clichy are gone, fabregas has barca in his dna, arshavin couldnt care either way and theres 10 other pussys who want out now too". I dont see what other option he had really.
growing media storm???...... crap headlines are the only thing that have been coming from wenger and co. for years!!!... and now wenger serves up some more ffs!!!...so wengers world was falling down around him, yes, thats what happens when your crap experiment fails...even the wage stealing mercenaries want out!!!...fucking pathetic, wenger the lying, arrogant whinger
flash gunner wrote:So youre saying that this is the truth that Wenger was hiding with his lies? Hardly a good indictment of his managership, is it?
im saying the truth that wenger is trying to hide is that we arent the club we used to be and thats not his fault! we dont have the pulling power we used to. its harder for wenger to attract and keep top players, hes trying his best, but the tide has turned on us and we havent kept pace. Get silent stan out, get the russian in and give Wenger the resources he needs to compete with city, chelsea and united and then we'd see whats what. Our ship is sinking, thats not Wengers fault, he keeps us afloat as best he can.
Sorry mate - I don't buy that. It is not Wenger's fault?
He chose the players to sign - the Diabys, Comedy Eboues, Duh-nilsons, Almunias, Velas, Flappys, Bennys and Squiggys of this world.
He chose them.
And he then compounded that by rewarding their substandard performances with huge pay rises and improved contracts.
He pissed away club millions on improved contracts for these rubbish players.
How is that anyone else's fault but Wenger's mismanagement?
flash gunner wrote:
and we have fallen behind and dont have the pulling power because of Wenger and in particular his pathetic 'project' where he buys youngsters and turns them into superstars... FFS we had a t-shirt for sale in the club shop during the summer saying on the front 'we dont buy superstars we make them'
the whole youth project is coz we knew we would be struggling financially with the stadium. AW didnt get out of bed one day and decide to get rid of PV4 for no reason. We've gone the youth route coz we cant compete otherwise. Without wengers youth project we'd probably be in the shit a whole lot more
Poor, poor Arsene, my heart bleeds for him, he must really be down, most of his precious players want to leave and he's still on only 7 million a year....
flash gunner wrote:
and we have fallen behind and dont have the pulling power because of Wenger and in particular his pathetic 'project' where he buys youngsters and turns them into superstars... FFS we had a t-shirt for sale in the club shop during the summer saying on the front 'we dont buy superstars we make them'
the whole youth project is coz we knew we would be struggling financially with the stadium. AW didnt get out of bed one day and decide to get rid of PV4 for no reason. We've gone the youth route coz we cant compete otherwise. Without wengers youth project we'd probably be in the shit a whole lot more
anyways.. peace gooners.... im gone!
So soon? Please stay and argue
Was PV4 a superstar when we bought him? No.... Wenger has always had this way of thinking to a degree, Henry was a top name when we bought him? No, he was a French international substitute struggling in Italian football.. Maybe youre right and the 'project' was due to a lack of finances (although i doubt it) but there is no excuse for rewarding mediocre players with massive pay rises as DB10 says above
flash gunner wrote:
and we have fallen behind and dont have the pulling power because of Wenger and in particular his pathetic 'project' where he buys youngsters and turns them into superstars... FFS we had a t-shirt for sale in the club shop during the summer saying on the front 'we dont buy superstars we make them'
the whole youth project is coz we knew we would be struggling financially with the stadium. AW didnt get out of bed one day and decide to get rid of PV4 for no reason. We've gone the youth route coz we cant compete otherwise. Without wengers youth project we'd probably be in the shit a whole lot more
anyways.. peace gooners.... im gone!
Where I differ from your Supermac, is that I think the youth project was only partly caused by Wenger's response to the new stadium.
It is clear there was justified financial belt tightening for a period of time, and one way of dealing with that was an increase in younger players.
But Wenger went too far.
Another way of dealing with the financial constraints would have been to have older players on one or two year deals.
A mix of the two approaches would have been best.
But Wenger relied too much on the youth, for too long, and it cost us dearly.
He and the board in equal measures have fucked the club over and we will be struggling to catch up for the next few years.
