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Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:55 am

we haven't gone on any kind of a run though. the fixture list is responsible for our current league form, the fact some people are letting that cloud they're judgement is very worrying . The win against bolton was great, but the sunderland match would probably have been drawn without Robin. Marseille could and should have been a draw. The look on Deschamps' face at the end said it all.

The stoke game was poor, without Robin and two howlers from the keeper we would be looking at another draw. And counting CC games against poor league two opposition in our fantastic "wenger deserves more time" run is appaling and classless. The banner should be displayed on saturday , and if a 6 game winning streak or whatever means you have new enthusiasm for this season you are as out of touch as Hill Wood.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:00 am

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:we haven't gone on any kind of a run though. the fixture list is responsible for our current league form

you have got to be joking.
how many more wins will it take for people like you to accept that we are an improving side?

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:01 am

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:we haven't gone on any kind of a run though. the fixture list is responsible for our current league form, the fact some people are letting that cloud they're judgement is very worrying . The win against bolton was great, but the sunderland match would probably have been drawn without Robin. Marseille could and should have been a draw. The look on Deschamps' face at the end said it all.

The stoke game was poor, without Robin and two howlers from the keeper we would be looking at another draw. And counting CC games against poor league two opposition in our fantastic "wenger deserves more time" run is appaling and classless. The banner should be displayed on saturday , and if a 6 game winning streak or whatever means you have new enthusiasm for this season you are as out of touch as Hill Wood.

a) tell me who, other than Red Member is letting it cloud their judgement

b) why are you worried about it. You've got a brain to see what's really happening so if the Carling Cup fans are all suddenly excited that we're a force again, let them enjoy their moment before the inevitably of results against the major clubs kick in

Jumpers For Goalposts · Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:02 am

Red Member wrote:so you would rather have rested players against Udinese and now be in the Europa league so that we could have gone to Old Trafford at full strength and lost 1-0 like we did last season???

yeah that would be really helpful

you have to look at the big picture.
I would have personally taken a 20-0 defeat at OT if it meant that we could get in the CL this season.

Sorry to be abusive mate but you are a bloody imbecile - if Arsenal were still a big club with a winner's mentality, they would never have needed to sacrifice a game.

That is why so many fans are pissed off with Wenger and the Board because they have mis-managed us into the situation where we are unable to compete at the highest level. I'm genuinely shocked that any Arsenal fan is content to lose such an important match simply because we won the match before it. That my friend is the attitude of a loser!!!!

Post by **flash gunner** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:04 am

Red Member wrote:
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:we haven't gone on any kind of a run though. the fixture list is responsible for our current league form
you have got to be joking.
how many more wins will it take for people like you to accept that we are an improving side?

Improving? Improving from when last season? We have had our worse defeat in 115 years this season!!! FUCKING HELL!!!

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:05 am

if everyone is so convinced that things are so bad then lets come back to the point of this post - the banner.

when will it be shown???

there seems to be a reluctance "now that we are doing well" but then you say we are not actually doing well.

make your mind up. at least I am consistent in what I say.

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:07 am

Red Member wrote:so you would rather have rested players against Udinese and now be in the Europa league so that we could have gone to Old Trafford at full strength and lost 1-0 like we did last season???

yeah that would be really helpful

you have to look at the big picture.
I would have personally taken a 20-0 defeat at OT if it meant that we could get in the CL this season.

Who did we lose in udinese, jog my memory. I'm looking through the team that played at old trafford... song and gervinho absence was nothing to do with playing in Udine.

the side that started against Man yoo:

Wojciech Szczesny
Carl Jenkinson
Laurent Koscielny
Johan Djourou
Armand Traore
Francis Coquelin
Aaron Ramsey
Tomas Rosicky
Theo Walcott
Andrey Arshavin
Robin van Persie

For my money only the fullbacks stand out as being particularly weakened, i cant remember if that was a result of the udinese game or not even if so do you really think thats an excuse for losing 8-2?

Unless ofcourse you're are talking about general tiredness at which i truly despair. These players should be used to playing every 3 days by now, as you so often point out, they've been doing it long enough.

But whatever, bottom line is that... Depleted/tired side or not Arsenal should not be losing 8-2 to anyone

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:08 am

Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:
Red Member wrote:so you would rather have rested players against Udinese and now be in the Europa league so that we could have gone to Old Trafford at full strength and lost 1-0 like we did last season???

yeah that would be really helpful

you have to look at the big picture.
I would have personally taken a 20-0 defeat at OT if it meant that we could get in the CL this season.
Sorry to be abusive mate but you are a bloody imbecile - if Arsenal were still a big club with a winner's mentality, they would never have needed to sacrifice a game. That is why so many fans are pissed off with Wenger and the Board because they have mis-managed us into the situation where we are unable to compete at the highest level. I'm genuinely shocked that any Arsenal fan is content to lose such an important match simply because we won the match before it. That my friend is the attitude of a loser!!!!

Well exactly. Can you imagine in 2003/04 that we would have sacrificed points in the league at Old Trafford, WHL etc, so that we could focus all our attention on a match against the 4th best team from Italy

Standards have been allowed to fall, despite the club mismanaging expectations beyond belief. Still, sorry to go on but all the while 40,000 of you continue to fund the club.......you'll keep on getting what you're getting.

Impact of the Black Scarf banners and marches - none
Impact of the catcalls at the AGM - none
Likely impact of the Wenger out banner - none

Refusing to spend money on the club, hence tangibly causing a fall in the value of Kroenke's investment within one year of takeover, lending banks getting jumpy about future cashflows falling, and embarrassing Gazidis by making sure he doesn't meet any of his financial targets.......1000x the impact of any of the above.

It's the only way.....and it doesn't hurt that much either if you care enough about taking a stand against the club. If you believe enough in a cause you'll make sacrifices.....if you don't make them then you're shouting into a void

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:08 am

Red Member wrote:
Henry Norris 1913 wrote:we haven't gone on any kind of a run though. the fixture list is responsible for our current league form
you have got to be joking.
how many more wins will it take for people like you to accept that we are an improving side?

you love pretending to be a moron don't you?

sunderland were in poor form going to ours, losing at home a couple of times and being thrashed away. bolton too, who were thrashed at home a couple of times, and lost to norwich at the reebok as well.
Stoke hadn't won away since 2010. and as for swansea, the team with the lowest budget in the league who were promoted via playoffs- they hit the bar AND missed a sitter at the end. not forgetting our goal was a goalkeeping mistake and you realise we haven't enjoyed a proper victory against decent opposition since what - last season ? I'll count the Marseille match but our performance was attrocious.

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:12 am

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:we haven't gone on any kind of a run though. the fixture list is responsible for our current league form, the fact some people are letting that cloud they're judgement is very worrying . The win against bolton was great, but the sunderland match would probably have been drawn without Robin. Marseille could and should have been a draw. The look on Deschamps' face at the end said it all.

The stoke game was poor, without Robin and two howlers from the keeper we would be looking at another draw. And counting CC games against poor league two opposition in our fantastic "wenger deserves more time" run is appaling and classless. The banner should be displayed on saturday , and if a 6 game winning streak or whatever means you have new enthusiasm for this season you are as out of touch as Hill Wood.

Yes, totally agree with this, the run of easy peasy fixtures that we've had coupled with fortunate wins in the majority of them has meant that the banner will be mothballed until we play teams of some substance and this starts tomorrow, we can't carry on having lucky wins and relying on RVP all the time despite what Red Mong says.

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:17 am

a) tell me who, other than Red Member is letting it cloud their judgement

gunnersaurus, piresistable, a lot of numpties on twatter. its actually worrying how much of our support is made up of these imbeciles that tolerate any embarassing defeat if we can squeeze past a poor PL side at home who are bottom of the form table. they are just spineless , apathetic tits. like the cultists from the simpsons :

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:23 am

So then Frank will the banner be shown tomorrow?

of course Steveo also makes the more important point that until ST holders don't renew nothing will change anyway.

maybe Kroneke should have finished his speech yesterday by saying "thanks guys for all your generous donations over the summer"

Post by **flash gunner** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:28 am

Red member things have improved since our appalling and embarrassing start to this season and for that reason i think (as someone said earlier) the window of opportunity has gone for the time being for the banner but and its a big BUT anyone with half a fucking brain can see we have had an easy run of fixtures and a fair slice of luck.

I have no say over the banner but i have no doubt it will be shown at some time this season probably when the wheels fall off again when we come under pressure of any kind or play a few decent teams

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:30 am

Red Member wrote:So then Frank will the banner be shown tomorrow?

of course Steveo also makes the more important point that until ST holders don't renew nothing will change anyway.

maybe Kroneke should have finished his speech yesterday by saying "thanks guys for all your generous donations over the summer"

If we're being raped in the arse Man U style then I can guarantee it!!!

OneBardGooner · Post by **OneBardGooner** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:32 am

Well I blame RVP had he not missed that penalty against manure at old fartford we would have gone on to win that game and would now be sitting top of the prem with all bar the one lost point dropped at Newcastle.