As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
I suppose you will be happy "challenging for trophies" each season but not actually winning them.
1999 - PL Runners Up, FA Cup Semi
2000 - PL Runners Up, UEFA Cup Runners up
2001 - PL Runners Up, FA Cup Runners Up
oh look three seasons of challenging without actually winning anything, maybe we should have sacked Wenger in the summer of 2001, but now we'd be champions of the Universe no doubt.
And BTW - if you want to know the relevance of geography to supporting a side - well it's about not getting stressed out at the thought of looking uncool in a replica shirt while walking around a Mumbai shopping centre because the side isn't the Premiership champions - and with that the ability to look at the club's progress and the manager's work in a rational manner.
Yes we followed all that failure with a Double. Great. We've now won fuck all for 3 years (I know we've had worse in the old days but football has changed since then and only 5 or 6 clubs are now capable of winning FA Cups or League Titles). This team must win something or the Boss must accept all of the blame for failing to strengthen the squad. If we win the Title then he is the genius that you claim him to be, if we don't he is a stubborn bastard who added to his list "nearly won something" seasons.
Rob wrote:We desperately needed a mobile central defender and a winger in August. If Wenger had not been so stupid/stubbon it could make the difference between us winning something and finishing also rans - again!
Now we need those two, at least one forward, a defensive CM and a left sided defender at the minimum. The chances of Wenger realising even half that are zero. Read his programme notes from yesterday. He could not wait to get his denial in about making any signing to cover for Eduardo, in the summer. It was an astonishing thing to say with the guy barely starting to heal and facing 9 months out.
I am not calling for Wenger to go - yet. But I am calling for him to change tack. He's had four years of this policy of teenage promotions and negative spending and we've won nothing since Pat left. And we won't until we start to seriously address the squad deficiences we clearly have.
I don't agree with rebel's views but I can see where he's coming from, but some of the comments here about Wenger that are ridiculous. "Stupid"? With the greatest of respect Rob, what the fuck do you know?? Got a football coaching badge, have you? Trained championship-winning teams, have you? Disagree with Wenger all you like, but don't insult someone whose talent you can only dream of. If it weren't for Wenger, we wouldn't be arguing about being also-rans, we'd be the mid fucking table nonentities we were before he arrived.
Perhaps it's just heat of the moment, but get a grip. We're not playing well and we've dropped four important points in the last week, but we're still top and have some important players coming back form injury. There's plenty of football to be played yet.
I suppose you will be happy "challenging for trophies" each season but not actually winning them.
1999 - PL Runners Up, FA Cup Semi
2000 - PL Runners Up, UEFA Cup Runners up
2001 - PL Runners Up, FA Cup Runners Up
oh look three seasons of challenging without actually winning anything, maybe we should have sacked Wenger in the summer of 2001, but now we'd be champions of the Universe no doubt.
And BTW - if you want to know the relevance of geography to supporting a side - well it's about not getting stressed out at the thought of looking uncool in a replica shirt while walking around a Mumbai shopping centre because the side isn't the Premiership champions - and with that the ability to look at the club's progress and the manager's work in a rational manner.
See why i am doubting your intelligence here, you have once again posted crap. How many teams were challenging for the title back in 1999, 2000, 2001? Us and manscum, manscum were the only team we had to be better than. Football has changed since then. Does the same policy of just relying on developing talent and not buying them still bring in success today? It hasnt yet. So its silly to compare the situation now to back then.
And well first of all i dont even live in Mumbai. Secondly i had been an Arsenal fan since 1994, so if I had to change jerseys i would have done that a long time ago cause i have seen dry periods. So dont give me that bullsh*t patronization. Maybe you leave 10 mins before the game ends each time we are trailing for all i care. And dont give me the rational manner bullsh*t either. I have been a big admirer of Arsene's policy of developing young players over the years. But as I said football has changed and we have to see how effective simply relying on youngstars to win things works today. If it doesnt, it has to change, I dont understand the 'blasphemy' in thinking that.
The same year we were knocked out of the FA Cup by York, two sides not even in the Football League anymore. And you think you've seen dry spells!
And as for the leaving before the end - it's something I've never done. I have waited in a post-match queue for Finsbury Park station though for over an hour. Maybe one day you might actually get to see Finsbury Park Station
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Big clubs judge their season on trophies won, plain and simple.
So these days if a side falls out of a champions league position but wins the FA Cup then they'll judge their season as a success because they won a trophy?
Would finishing 4th and not win a single trophy be classified as a success? What are we? Everton, Aston Villa? 4th place should be a guarantee for us, its the trophies that will determine how well we did.
And as for the leaving before the end - it's something I've never done. I have waited in a post-match queue for Finsbury Park station though. Maybe one day you might actually get to see Finsbury Park Station
Yes i would really like to see the Finsbury Park Station one day but what does have to do with anything? And the only thing you proved right there is that your old. Are true fans judged on seniority these days?
And the only thing you proved right there is that your old
Well I'm 29. I know you have a lower life expectancy in India, but I wouldn't call that old. After all if being under 24 counts as inexperienced in your book re:playing for Arsenal, 29 is worth throwing millions of pounds at.
i watched the man u game and it was a stroll for them,, rooney and ronaldo on the bench fucks sake
we have now dropped 4 points in our last 2 games and im sorry but for a team challenging for the league then well its just not good enough,, and for a club that prides its self on been one of the richest in the world and who's books are great then only one person can be at fault,, and that is arsene wenger ,, he's on sky now saying , ah we should have won and are missing big players,, bollocksand its a hangover from last week
its your fault that the squad isnt big enough mr wenger,, and before i get attacked by the wenger loyalists remember i love this man and he's by far the best thing ever to happen to our club but he's a right stingy bastard when it comes to spending money,, as if he has a point to prove for not spending to chelsea and man u
i want us to be the biggest club, to win the league and cl but aint going to happen with this squad,, rant over let the attacks begin
And the only thing you proved right there is that your old
Well I'm 29. I know you have a lower life expectancy in India, but I wouldn't call that old. After all if being under 24 counts as inexperienced in your book re:playing for Arsenal, 29 is worth throwing millions of pounds at.
If you're indeed 29, maybe you should stop living in the dark ages and see that this is a time of globalisation and Arsenal Football Club is a global brand . Thats something to be proud of my friend, you have millions of fellow fans.
And actually 24 isnt inexperienced, 24-26 is almost ideal to buy a proven world class player. At 29, well you give them one year contracts, then kick them out .
If you're indeed 29, maybe you should stop living in the dark ages and see that this is a time of globalisation and Arsenal Football Club is a global brand
I don't know why you think 'globalization' is per se new or per se good.
It's a euphamism for economic imperialism and it's what my home land has done to your's as far back as the eighteenth century.
If you're indeed 29, maybe you should stop living in the dark ages and see that this is a time of globalisation and Arsenal Football Club is a global brand
I don't know why you think 'globalization' is per se new or per se good.
It's a euphamism for economic imperialism and it's what my home land has done to your's as far back as the eighteenth century.
First of all the word is euphemism . Ahhhh getting nasty now are we? Somehow I dont think thats something for you to be proud of, given the horrors of the whole thing.
but what does have to do with anything? And the only thing you proved right there is that your old. Are true fans judged on seniority these days?
ESPECIALLY THOSE TROUBLE-MAKERS REBEL AND AUGIE!! 
. Thats something to be proud of my friend, you have millions of fellow fans.