Arteta

[SpanishJoe]

For all the 'play Arshavin' idea is bollocks I too am concerned about our midfield in general and Arteta in particular. He is slow on the ball and only seems to play the safe, non-threatening passes.

We don't know what instructions AW has given the midfield but Arteta and Song seemed all over the place position-wise last night.

[brazilianGOONER]

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[flash gunner]

the scousers mugged us.


why didn't Arshavin play instead of him last night????

I gave you the benefit of the doubt on the WUM issue. Now you're deliberately highlighting one of our best players as being a waste of space, while constantly singing the praises of Fatboy Slim at left back.

Now I would just advise everyone to stop even responding.

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

arteta is not cesc. he never was, never will be. he doesnt even play the same position. have you noticed our very weak defensive state before arteta has become at least decent since he has joined? he is basically a 2nd defensive midfielder and doing a fine job. with ramsey and rosicky playing much better as offensive midfielders, we don't need arteta to play killer passes.

[hutchy08]

Is arteta doing anymore than denilson was doing ... if anything denilson is better at that holding ...keep the ball moving, get it give it , simple passing game than arteta.....im concerned at the pace of arteta in general....but will give him time to adapt...hes hardly been terrible but aint set the world alight either...but for 10m i would expect a bit more

[Yankee_Gooner_Dandee]

Is arteta doing anymore than denilson was doing ... if anything denilson is better at that holding ...keep the ball moving, get it give it , simple passing game than arteta.....im concerned at the pace of arteta in general....but will give him time to adapt...hes hardly been terrible but aint set the world alight either...but for 10m i would expect a bit more

you must have never seen denilson. you mean the denilson that would play only sideways passes, give the ball away, and lightly jog back while the other team counter attacks, and usually scores?

denilson was the worst player to ever wear an Arsenal shirt.

[Henry Norris 1913]

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[Babatunde]

I cannot believe I am about to do this, but I am going to say that Red Member has something of a point here.

Arteta to my mind, is an absolute waste of space and I also feel we were truly mugged off by Moyes. Let me ask you lot, do you honestly think Moyes would have let Fellaini (who I wanted instead) go for that price?

The arguments I hear Gooners having about Arteta are very much the same arguments Gooners used to have amongst themselves about Denilson.

'His stats are awesome'
'He calms play'
'He adds assurance'

I completely understand the points of SteveO35 in that it's true, Arteta's job isn't to be creative but therefore WHOSE JOB IS IT THEN?!

We are completely lacking in creativity in this side, not one person in midfield can thread a through ball. And unpopular as this is going to be, I rate Arshavin as a much superior player to Arteta (yes I know he's lazy and lacks effort etc). Arteta does not make thigns happen. Our play is slow and laboured enough as it is, and Arteta does not help. It isn't all his fault course, but his delivery is slow as hell, he releases the ball too slow, he doesn't encourage runners....the amount of times I've seen Theo make a diagonal burst and watched Arteta just give a square ball to Ramsey instead is infuriating.

I honestly, honestly, in MY OPINION (that means ppl are entitled to disagree without acting like nobs about it), do not see what Arteta brings to this side. He does not score, he does not create goal-scoring opportunities, he lacks pace and his set-piece delivery has been shocking.
Very much the same things people used to say about Denilson!!!

I don't see what Arteta brings at all. There's a theory that he allows 'the others to play' but who would 'the others' be? Ramsey? Song is supposed to stabilise us defensively and calm play. The person next to him, considering the system deploiyed, needs to create. Otherwise we are playing a double-pivot defensive system which means there is fuck all creativity from central areas. And when you consider Arsenal have no quality genuine wide players (closest we have is Gervinho), then you're deploying a team that

a. Lacks creativity through central midfield areas
b. Lacks the width to stretch opposition full-backs and keep opposition on the back-foot.

The consequence is that you end up with a slow, laborious side who are easy to predict and easy to defend against.

Marseille will testify to that, as can Blackburn, Man United, Liverpool, Spuds etc etc...

I think considering the price (£10 mil), and the players that were available on the market (Gokhan Inler, Steve Dufour, Christian Eriksen etc.) I feel Arteta is proving a negligent waste of money. My opinion though, I might be proven wrong and he might have a stormer of a season and surprise everyone?

[Babatunde]

Sorry did I read this right: are people considering Rosicky as a serious Arsenal footballer?

[SteveO 35]

All you've highlighted really Baba is that we let our two most creative players leave the club and we haven't replaced them. It's a bit like when we let Gilberto, Flamini and Diarra all leave and we didn't adequately replace them.

I never thought Arteta would be an adequate replacement for either Nasri or Cesc. However, I did think that he was a still a worthwhile signing on the basis that Song is our sole CDM and a somewhat limited player.

Wenger was seriously guilty of not acquiring a Goetze type to be the classic creator. It's now being shown up for what it is.

In the meantime he either needs to find a home for Arshavin in an advanced central midfield role and/or accomodate the great Abou in that role when he recovers to fitness....before going out and getting the kind of player that can open up defences in January

In the meantime lets not get at Arteta for him not being the player we should have signed in addition. He is a far superior talent to Denilson in every way. The fact the Self Harmer couldn't get M'Vila, Hazard or Goetze to compliment him is hardly his fault.

And of course Moyes wouldn't let Fellaini go for the same price. He's much younger for a start and a different kind of player. I'm not sure I understand the basis of the argument other than the fact you personally prefer Fellaini.

[Robsy]

I have never read so much drivel about a new signing!

This forum reaches new lows every week, but having a go at Arteta really is pathetic.

HE IS NOT CESC. HE IS NOT PLAYING IN AN ATTACKING ROLE. HE HASN'T F*CKED UP LIKE DENILSON CONSTANTLY DID. HE CAN PASS, TACKLE AND RUN FOR A FULL 90 MINUTES.

He is a new signing in a newly shaped team and is doing a good job for us.

Just for once could people give our new players at least half a season before suggesting they are crap. It's a bit like all your professional abilities being judged by a new employer in only the first week of a new job!

[Gunnersaurus]

Is arteta doing anymore than denilson was doing ... if anything denilson is better at that holding ...keep the ball moving, get it give it , simple passing game than arteta.....im concerned at the pace of arteta in general....but will give him time to adapt...hes hardly been terrible but aint set the world alight either...but for 10m i would expect a bit more

you must have never seen denilson. you mean the denilson that would play only sideways passes, give the ball away, and lightly jog back while the other team counter attacks, and usually scores?

denilson was the worst player to ever wear an Arsenal shirt.

Agreed, you can't have watched much of him, granted he excelled at the sideways pass but don't compare Arteta's discipline and work ethic to Denilson, ever.

Arteta looks like he's been signed to play that deep role that links defence to attack and he's doing it well IMO, he's getting slated because he's Spanish and the obvious comparison to Cesc is unavoidable, they are playing different roles.

[1989]

Never thought Arteta was good enough for us. Even in his good Everton days.

Classic midtable player. We may as well have signed Stilian Petrov. He's solid and 'adds calmness' as well. Wouldn't have cost £10m either.

[Babatunde]

All you've highlighted really Baba is that we let our two most creative players leave the club and we haven't replaced them. It's a bit like when we let Gilberto, Flamini and Diarra all leave and we didn't adequately replace them.

I never thought Arteta would be an adequate replacement for either Nasri or Cesc. However, I did think that he was a still a worthwhile signing on the basis that Song is our sole CDM and a somewhat limited player.

Wenger was seriously guilty of not acquiring a Goetze type to be the classic creator. It's now being shown up for what it is.

In the meantime he either needs to find a home for Arshavin in an advanced central midfield role and/or accomodate the great Abou in that role when he recovers to fitness....before going out and getting the kind of player that can open up defences in January

In the meantime lets not get at Arteta for him not being the player we should have signed in addition. He is a far superior talent to Denilson in every way. The fact the Self Harmer couldn't get M'Vila, Hazard or Goetze to compliment him is hardly his fault.

And of course Moyes wouldn't let Fellaini go for the same price. He's much younger for a start and a different kind of player. I'm not sure I understand the basis of the argument other than the fact you personally prefer Fellaini.

Very good points there bredda. What I am trying to say though, is that Arteta doesn't actually add value. He does the same job as Song more or less except, I see Song (yes Thong!) as more dynamic of the two. I understand it ain't Arteta's job to create for FFS, even Song was releasing quick balls to Santos for that second goal at the Fridge etc. Why can Arteta not do the same? For me doesn't matter that it ain't his job, he should be able to do this. Responsibility is now collective and even Thong, as shite as I think he is, from time to time tries to create. Arteta never ever does. He hides. Watch him the next time.
Even if it ain't his job, if you see Theo making a diagonal run, and you know no one else can catch him, why on earth would you give a 2 yard square ball to Ramsey? How many tackles does Arteta actually make per game?

My point he has no dynamism! If his job is to be defensive and assure play to complement Thong then fine. Problem is I am not sure he is even assuring and calming play, it's complete mayhem in midfield. I think he makes us more pedestrian and to boot poses little goalscoring threat. Because you play in a more defensive position it doesn't mean you're not allowed to attack?

I known he has more talent than Denilson this is undeniable. However I just do not see what he does that is so much better than what Denilson was doing. Did you see Arteta's work for Chelski's 2nd goal? No one has mentioned that yet? £10 mil for that!

[Gunnersaurus]

Arteta did do the same for Van Persie third goal, you've just made your mind up about him and as usual are trying to convince yourself that you are right.