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Gunnersaurus wrote:Arteta did do the same for Van Persie third goal, you've just made your mind up about him and as usual are trying to convince yourself that you are right.
Arteta made a simple 3 yard square pass to Van Persie.
My point is that Arteta does not make incisive passes and spot diagonal runs.
You've just given me an example of precisely the same thing I was criticizing him about.
Don't let revisionism (and facts) get in the way mind....
Just because he doesn't play the big diagonal doesn't mean he is just another denilson. Arteta keeps the play flowing, he doesn't dawdle on the ball unnecessarily and often keeps the play moving forward, even if its not a hollywood ball. He's a solid player.
Denilson on the other hand would take the ball, have a bit of a fuck about and then simply look for the easiest pass. Denilson had some good games for us, barca home 2-2 being one of the few but that was a rare occasion in which his aimless possession-hoarding allowed us a foothold in a game. He was shit.
Gunnersaurus wrote:Arteta did do the same for Van Persie third goal, you've just made your mind up about him and as usual are trying to convince yourself that you are right.
Arteta made a simple 3 yard square pass to Van Persie.
My point is that Arteta does not make incisive passes and spot diagonal runs.
You've just given me an example of precisely the same thing I was criticizing him about.
Don't let revisionism (and facts) get in the way mind....
Just because he doesn't play the big diagonal doesn't mean he is just another denilson. Arteta keeps the play flowing, he doesn't dawdle on the ball unnecessarily and often keeps the play moving forward, even if its not a hollywood ball. He's a solid player.
Denilson on the other hand would take the ball, have a bit of a fuck about and then simply look for the easiest pass. Denilson had some good games for us, barca home 2-2 being one of the few but that was a rare occasion in which his aimless possession-hoarding allowed us a foothold in a game. He was shit.
I like arteta as a player and was happy with his signing but I still have to say that I did expect more from him as he is a player that is experienced in this league. That being said I also believe that his natural creative talents (not as good as cesc but better than this) are being held back as wenger seeks to reign him in to cover for the positionally dire song It is a habit of wenger's that I just cannot get my head around....why buy a player when he has presumably impressed playing in a position at his previous club only to then turn around and ask him to play in a different position for our team then ? Wenger has done this with arshavin and nasri to name just 2 and for me it is absolutely ridiculous and typical of a tactically clueless manager
People seem to ignore/forget the fact that at everton arteta played alongside heitenga or rodwell who done the defensive work leaving arteta free to create for others - if you were arteta would you feel comfortable leaving your position and trusting song to be where he is meant to be sitting in front of the back 4 ? In case some also have forgotten this was an issue for wilshire prior to his injury too as he had to curb his more attacking instincts in order to cover for the absolute shite song It should also be factored in that when looking for that forward pass where is arteta supposed to go with it ? Rvp has no pace to go in behind and our two gormless wingers (feo and the forehead) dont make enough runs and more often than not dont have the intelligence to make the right runs Arteta has been put into an average team that plays a tactical possession game rather than a dynamic attacking game that we used to see and arteta has fitted into that gameplan so from that regard he is doing just fine but personally I would like to see the shackles taken off to see a more create arteta
augie wrote:I like arteta as a player and was happy with his signing but I still have to say that I did expect more from him as he is a player that is experienced in this league. That being said I also believe that his natural creative talents (not as good as cesc but better than this) are being held back as wenger seeks to reign him in to cover for the positionally dire song It is a habit of wenger's that I just cannot get my head around....why buy a player when he has presumably impressed playing in a position at his previous club only to then turn around and ask him to play in a different position for our team then ? Wenger has done this with arshavin and nasri to name just 2 and for me it is absolutely ridiculous and typical of a tactically clueless manager
People seem to ignore/forget the fact that at everton arteta played alongside heitenga or rodwell who done the defensive work leaving arteta free to create for others - if you were arteta would you feel comfortable leaving your position and trusting song to be where he is meant to be sitting in front of the back 4 ? In case some also have forgotten this was an issue for wilshire prior to his injury too as he had to curb his more attacking instincts in order to cover for the absolute shite song It should also be factored in that when looking for that forward pass where is arteta supposed to go with it ? Rvp has no pace to go in behind and our two gormless wingers (feo and the forehead) dont make enough runs and more often than not dont have the intelligence to make the right runs Arteta has been put into an average team that plays a tactical possession game rather than a dynamic attacking game that we used to see and arteta has fitted into that gameplan so from that regard he is doing just fine but personally I would like to see the shackles taken off to see a more create arteta
100% agree. People also seem to have forgotten that our defensive record has improved immeasurably since he came into the side. Have we sacrificed some of the creative flair ? Maybe. Would we gladly have done that to stem the Old Trafford style tide of conceding 8 ? I think we would have.
The problem is not Arteta - it's the players we should have put in there around him. Song, Ramsey and Arteta together is not dynamic enough and substituting one or the others with Rosicky hardly helps either. The wider players - Arshavin, Gervinho and Walcott are too inconsistent and haven't been anywhere as creative as little tosser Nasri was in the first five months of last season.
The annoying thing is that Arshavin has got the ability to play that central creator's role perfectly, with two more disciplined midfielders alongside him (Arteta being one). But how much longer can we persist with his lazy, witless displays ?
Also, Abou Diaby is perfectly placed once fit to be the creator. Yes, you lot all hate him, and yes I'll get stick for it, but when the guy plays in that role behind a main striker he always delivers. Sadly his time at Arsenal has been spent injured or playing rotation winger with Bendtner.
augie wrote:I like arteta as a player and was happy with his signing but I still have to say that I did expect more from him as he is a player that is experienced in this league. That being said I also believe that his natural creative talents (not as good as cesc but better than this) are being held back as wenger seeks to reign him in to cover for the positionally dire song It is a habit of wenger's that I just cannot get my head around....why buy a player when he has presumably impressed playing in a position at his previous club only to then turn around and ask him to play in a different position for our team then ? Wenger has done this with arshavin and nasri to name just 2 and for me it is absolutely ridiculous and typical of a tactically clueless manager
People seem to ignore/forget the fact that at everton arteta played alongside heitenga or rodwell who done the defensive work leaving arteta free to create for others - if you were arteta would you feel comfortable leaving your position and trusting song to be where he is meant to be sitting in front of the back 4 ? In case some also have forgotten this was an issue for wilshire prior to his injury too as he had to curb his more attacking instincts in order to cover for the absolute shite song It should also be factored in that when looking for that forward pass where is arteta supposed to go with it ? Rvp has no pace to go in behind and our two gormless wingers (feo and the forehead) dont make enough runs and more often than not dont have the intelligence to make the right runs Arteta has been put into an average team that plays a tactical possession game rather than a dynamic attacking game that we used to see and arteta has fitted into that gameplan so from that regard he is doing just fine but personally I would like to see the shackles taken off to see a more create arteta
^ This also. 100%.
To answer the bolded question;
Because Lord Vader is a bit of a tactics-free gobshite.
psychoangus wrote:Can't believe we're actually discussing whether Denilson was better than Arteta.
The ref used to outrun Denilson.
Have a fucking word.
I agree but hear this:
The LINESMAN at Stamford Bridge overtook Santos when Sturridge breezed him. But we are being told it's unfair to slate him!
PARK could not control a football and looked like a pub player. Apparently he 'needs time' though (zzzzz).
Let's be honest, Arteta is a better player than Denilson no doubt but as mentioned by certain neutral observers of late, his impact on matches and passing incision is no better, no worse than Denilson's. Sorry but it's true. Arteta passes the ball sideways, backwards, and sideways again.
Not asking him to make Hollywood balls pointlessly of course, I just think he should be adding far, far more to our play than he is because going forward, he seems to add the root sum of bugger all.
Rosie_titters wrote:all Arsenal FC last minute August signings so far have been shite
Spot on mate. I called it then and seems I am being proved correct.
Every. Single. One.
Shite.
Not one looks top quality or someone that will give us a chance of silverware. To be honest, I ask myself if any of them would get in the bloody Liverpool or Spuds team, let alone ManYoo or Citeh!!! And to think Wenger spent over £52 million. And then some people want him to be given even more money to spend...
Rosie_titters wrote:all Arsenal FC last minute August signings so far have been shite
Spot on mate. I called it then and seems I am being proved correct.
Every. Single. One.
Shite.
Not one looks top quality or someone that will give us a chance of silverware. To be honest, I ask myself if any of them would get in the bloody Liverpool or Spuds team, let alone ManYoo or Citeh!!! And to think Wenger spent over £52 million. And then some people want him to be given even more money to spend...
Thank you! So many people say 'well, he ain't been given enough to spend. Yes, he fucking has!
When you fucking spunk all the money you have against the wall, why would you be given more? It'd just be wasted!
Rosie_titters wrote:all Arsenal FC last minute August signings so far have been shite
Spot on mate. I called it then and seems I am being proved correct.
Every. Single. One.
Shite.
Not one looks top quality or someone that will give us a chance of silverware. To be honest, I ask myself if any of them would get in the bloody Liverpool or Spuds team, let alone ManYoo or Citeh!!! And to think Wenger spent over £52 million. And then some people want him to be given even more money to spend...
Yep, we saw a fantastic example of Jordan Henderson's ability in his one cap 'not-so' wonderous performance against France. He was more of a sideways crab than David Batty and Ray Wilkins combined. Still, a mere snip at £20m. Then there's the world class Charlie Adam - so good Rangers let him leave for £0.5m before he finally produced one decent season. Or you could have Lucas, Jay Spearing or any of the others they retained whilst flogging their best player in Meireles whilst Gerrard remained injured.
You might think Arteta is no better than average but I'd rather have paid £10m for him than fucking £20m for Jordan Henderson. Any day of the week. And all those other Liverpool players are fucking also rans too. We'll see how they get on over 38 games with that midfield. Gerrard out injured again now.
If Suarez gets injured they are as royally fucked as we are with RvP
Rosie_titters wrote:all Arsenal FC last minute August signings so far have been shite
Spot on mate. I called it then and seems I am being proved correct.
Every. Single. One.
Shite.
Not one looks top quality or someone that will give us a chance of silverware. To be honest, I ask myself if any of them would get in the bloody Liverpool or Spuds team, let alone ManYoo or Citeh!!! And to think Wenger spent over £52 million. And then some people want him to be given even more money to spend...
If Kolarov and Clichy can play left back for Citeh, so could Santos.
If Lescott and Kolo can play center back for Citeh or Evans for United, so could Mertesacker.
If Barry can play midfield for Citeh, and Carrick/Gibson for United, so could Arteta.
If Owen can play upfront for Utd, so could Park.
Rosie_titters wrote:all Arsenal FC last minute August signings so far have been shite
Spot on mate. I called it then and seems I am being proved correct.
Every. Single. One.
Shite.
Not one looks top quality or someone that will give us a chance of silverware. To be honest, I ask myself if any of them would get in the bloody Liverpool or Spuds team, let alone ManYoo or Citeh!!! And to think Wenger spent over £52 million. And then some people want him to be given even more money to spend...
If Kolarov and Clichy can play left back for Citeh, so could Santos.
If Lescott and Kolo can play center back for Citeh or Evans for United, so could Mertesacker.
If Barry can play midfield for Citeh, and Carrick/Gibson for United, so could Arteta.
If Owen can play upfront for Utd, so could Park.
Bro. Park vs Owen? Park looks like a pub player. Not based on Arsenal, based on everything seen of him at Monaco too!
Clichy has pace, searing pace. Andre Santa is Fat!
Kolarov is a quality attacking player with again, bags of pace and a vicious free-kick. Santa has none of this.
Kolo never ever plays for Citeh. He's started one game all season and Mancini will never select him again! Mertesacker would never ever get a game at Citeh, too slow. Lescott is far superior imo.
The one I do agree on you with is Barry vs Arteta though. I think both are average midfielders who belong at a Villa/Everton. Personally...
Wenger has done this with arshavin and nasri to name just 2 and for me it is absolutely ridiculous and typical of a tactically clueless manager 
It should also be factored in that when looking for that forward pass where is arteta supposed to go with it ? Rvp has no pace to go in behind and our two gormless wingers (feo and the forehead) dont make enough runs and more often than not dont have the intelligence to make the right runs 
Arteta has been put into an average team that plays a tactical possession game rather than a dynamic attacking game that we used to see and arteta has fitted into that gameplan so from that regard he is doing just fine but personally I would like to see the shackles taken off to see a more create arteta
