1989 wrote:Babatunde wrote:1989 wrote:Babatunde wrote:Rosie_titters wrote:all Arsenal FC last minute August signings so far have been shite
Spot on mate. I called it then and seems I am being proved correct.
Every. Single. One.
Shite.
Not one looks top quality or someone that will give us a chance of silverware. To be honest, I ask myself if any of them would get in the bloody Liverpool or Spuds team,
let alone ManYoo or Citeh!!! And to think Wenger spent over £52 million. And then some people want him to be given even more money to spend...
If Kolarov and Clichy can play left back for Citeh, so could Santos.
If Lescott and Kolo can play center back for Citeh or Evans for United, so could Mertesacker.
If Barry can play midfield for Citeh, and Carrick/Gibson for United, so could Arteta.
If Owen can play upfront for Utd, so could Park.
Bro. Park vs Owen? Park looks like a pub player. Not based on Arsenal, based on everything seen of him at Monaco too!
Clichy has pace, searing pace. Andre Santa is Fat!
Kolarov is a quality attacking player with again, bags of pace and a vicious free-kick. Santa has none of this.
Kolo never ever plays for Citeh. He's started one game all season and Mancini will never select him again! Mertesacker would never ever get a game at Citeh, too slow. Lescott is far superior imo.
The one I do agree on you with is Barry vs Arteta though. I think both are average midfielders who belong at a Villa/Everton. Personally...
- Owen looks nothing more than a pub player as well. My point is if Owen
in his current state can play for United then so could Park, who's the captain of a national team which includes Ji Sung Park, who incidently also plays for United.
- So pace is all you need to be a good full back now? Clichy has pace but zero tactical understanding, positional sense and intelligence. At least Andre Santos is good at attacking and has in two months already matched Clichy's goal record in eight years for us.
If it was all about pace, then the likes of Gary Neville and Lee Dixon would have been shite fullbacks.
- Mertesacker who was part of a team that trounced England at the World Cup is now worse than Lescott? The same Lescott who failed to even make the shitty England squad? Mertesacker who played 78 times for Germany and has world cup and European Championship final experience would 'never play for City'? The same City side that has Lescott, Kolo, Savic and Onuoha in it?
Sorry mate, I enjoy reading your posts as they're quality, but at times you sound too negative.
Again I see your points brah but lemme break it down for you.
1. Comparing Owen and Park is disingenuous and here's why: Park is Arsenal's second choice striker. If RVP is injured he will play the whole season out. Owen is Man Unite'd fifth or sixth choice striker, behind Chicharito, Welbeck, Berbatov, Rooney for definite. He is on an incentives based deal.
Like I said, you'd have to compare apples with apples and that means comparing Park with ManYoo's second choice striker who is.....
Chicharito. Night and day, and Chicharito cost just £5 mil!!!!
2. Clichy vs Santa. Come on mate that one is a no contest. Yes, pace is massively important in a full-back, it's the reason average players like Bosingwa manage to become internationals. Pace in a full-back is ridiculously important because you're up against wingers a lot and recovery from positional errors is what bails you out!
I am sorry but again: if you asked 500 neutrals which of Gael Clichy and Andre Santos they'd rather have, which player do you think they'd choose? Clichy is a much better full-back than Santos because for starters, he is actually physically fit enough to play football!!!
3. Lescott vs Mertesacker. I am aware of how many Germany caps Mertesacker has. If we take our Arsenal-tinted specs off for a minute lemme put this question to you: if you asked 500 Premier League fans, who were not Arsenal or Citeh fans, which out of Lescott and Mertesacker they would have, based on what their eyes have shown them...who do you think they would choose? If the answer is Mertesacker I'd be very, very surprised. Yes he has lots of Germany caps but his performances for us have been absolutely horrific (Ewood Park, Stamford Bridge, Shite Lane).
I'm aware the whole team has looked ropey in defence but to be fair, Koscielny (who I don't rate) has looked ok this season. It's a matter of opinion though but what I will say, is that Lescott based on what I've seen of both players this season, seems the far more accomplished defender.
4. Arteta vs Henderson. Again, Henderson is not Liverpool's first choice player. The comparison with Adam is more accurate. Yeah Adam is a bit fat, slow etc I agree with that. However, I still doubt whether Arteta would get in the Liverpool team and I stand by that. With Gerrard fit, would he play the holding role ahead of Lucas? Doubt it. Using Spearing etc as comparisons doesn't stack up because neither of them are automatic first choices.
The point I am trying to make mate, is opinion-based.
In mine, Arteta ain't good enough to be
first choice for Arsenal. No way. I don't see what he does that Paul Davis couldn't do, or Ray Parlour for that matter. I keep hearing that he 'calms play' but I do not see it. I could be wrong here as I've said and he might have a barnstormer of a season and I'd be happy to be corrected on that...
Is true I am very negative about most Arsenal players but there is a good, factual verifiable reason for that (perennial mediocrity). You also have to ask yourself mate, when players like Phil Jones and Smalling won't look twice at joining Arsenal; why we keep ending up with cheap players? Do you not think their price tags are representative of their market value? For instance look at Park. Why was he so cheap? I ask myself why Arteta was sold for the price he was if he was quality? Perhaps it's too cynical to look at things that way, but more often than not, quality costs proper money.
I cannot think of a single cheap player under £11 mil that Wenger has signed over the past 6/7 years that has proved to be a quality purchase. I can't. Who is there? Vermaelen? Is he even fit enough to play at this level?
Nasri was quality but he cost us £14 mil!
Wilshere, Van Persie, Sagna now there are serious quality players right there. For me RVP and Sagna are up there as the best in the league for their respective positions. And Wilshere is up there as the best young player in the league for me. Chesney has proved nothing yet to me despite the clamour.
Perhaps you're right and I am just annoyed we lost someone of Nasri/Cesc's class and I am having to tear my eyes out watching Arteta pass the ball sideways every week!!! Perhaps I am expecting too much...
Wenger has done this with arshavin and nasri to name just 2 and for me it is absolutely ridiculous and typical of a tactically clueless manager 
It should also be factored in that when looking for that forward pass where is arteta supposed to go with it ? Rvp has no pace to go in behind and our two gormless wingers (feo and the forehead) dont make enough runs and more often than not dont have the intelligence to make the right runs 
Arteta has been put into an average team that plays a tactical possession game rather than a dynamic attacking game that we used to see and arteta has fitted into that gameplan so from that regard he is doing just fine but personally I would like to see the shackles taken off to see a more create arteta
