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LDB
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4. Arteta vs Henderson. Again, Henderson is not Liverpool's first choice player. The comparison with Adam is more accurate. Yeah Adam is a bit fat, slow etc I agree with that. However, I still doubt whether Arteta would get in the Liverpool team and I stand by that. With Gerrard fit, would he play the holding role ahead of Lucas? Doubt it. Using Spearing etc as comparisons doesn't stack up because neither of them are automatic first choices.
Is arteta an automatic first choice when Wilshere is fit? Or when Diaby is fit? Like him or loathe him the GIC seems to play him when fit.

But comparing liverpools midfield with ours is a bit silly because they play a different style of game to us. Adam was clearly purchased for his ability to hit the front man/the diagonals from deep positions.. thats not how we play and while i have concerns over Arteta's legs i wouldn't take that overrated plodder ahead of him unless it was part of a massive rethink of the way we play (not gonna happen).
The point I am trying to make mate, is opinion-based.
Your modesty knows no limits :lol:
You also have to ask yourself mate, when players like Phil Jones and Smalling won't look twice at joining Arsenal; why we keep ending up with cheap players? Do you not think their price tags are representative of their market value? For instance look at Park. Why was he so cheap? I ask myself why Arteta was sold for the price he was if he was quality? Perhaps it's too cynical to look at things that way, but more often than not, quality costs proper money.
I cannot think of a single cheap player under £11 mil that Wenger has signed over the past 6/7 years that has proved to be a quality purchase. I can't. Who is there? Vermaelen? Is he even fit enough to play at this level?

Nasri was quality but he cost us £14 mil!
Robin was signed in 2004 for 2.5million.

But generally you're right here which is why our wage structure is so criminally unambitious.

Perhaps you're right and I am just annoyed we lost someone of Nasri/Cesc's class and I am having to tear my eyes out watching Arteta pass the ball sideways every week!!! Perhaps I am expecting too much...
:?:


Neither of those players played in Arteta's position :?

But you're right, we're much less dynamic and exciting then we used to be, start getting used to it and look for other nuggets of comfort. I, for example, am currently worshipping at the church of koscielny.

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DP :barscarf:

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Babatunde wrote: Wilshere, Van Persie, Sagna now there are serious quality players right there. For me RVP and Sagna are up there as the best in the league for their respective positions. And Wilshere is up there as the best young player in the league for me. Chesney has proved nothing yet to me despite the clamour. :?:
But....
Babatunde wrote:I would have made Chesney captain. At least he's vocal, at least he has delivered for Arsenal.
You talk so much that your opinion changes with each post to suit the arguments you persist with.

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Post by supergeorgegraham »

10 Million is nothing these days and I think Arteta will get better. Its harsh to judge him so early on.
He is better than Diaby but Wilshere should take his place when fit.
I will keep an open mind on this one.

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kiwomya wrote:
Babatunde wrote: Wilshere, Van Persie, Sagna now there are serious quality players right there. For me RVP and Sagna are up there as the best in the league for their respective positions. And Wilshere is up there as the best young player in the league for me. Chesney has proved nothing yet to me despite the clamour. :?:
But....
Babatunde wrote:I would have made Chesney captain. At least he's vocal, at least he has delivered for Arsenal.
You talk so much that your opinion changes with each post to suit the arguments you persist with.
The point I was trying to make is that Ches in RVP's absence is the most natural leader. The most vocal. Does that mean he's proved himself as a player? No.
Read more, learn more please.

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We needed to sign a midfield general like Barton who would scare our precious pampered babies and lead this team.

We got Arteta, who is not that. Now what can we do, this team has zero leaders so we wont win anything anytime soon.

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Irish Gooner wrote:We needed to sign a midfield general like Barton who would scare our precious pampered babies and lead this team.

We got Arteta, who is not that. Now what can we do, this team has zero leaders so we wont win anything anytime soon.
Yeah Barton looked great at WHL when the Spurs midfield were zipping the ball around. Are you seriously suggesting that he would improve this side.

Should never have let Diarra leave. He would have been the perfect CDM - strong, athletic and mobile. But Arseneknows failed to understand that having rescued him from being Chelsea's reserve right back, that he didn't take kindly to being a reserve here. Strange that

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SteveO 35 wrote:
Irish Gooner wrote:We needed to sign a midfield general like Barton who would scare our precious pampered babies and lead this team.

We got Arteta, who is not that. Now what can we do, this team has zero leaders so we wont win anything anytime soon.
Yeah Barton looked great at WHL when the Spurs midfield were zipping the ball around. Are you seriously suggesting that he would improve this side.

Should never have let Diarra leave. He would have been the perfect CDM - strong, athletic and mobile. But Arseneknows failed to understand that having rescued him from being Chelsea's reserve right back, that he didn't take kindly to being a reserve here. Strange that
Perhaps Diarra was totally pissed off with the dross that were ahead of him for a place, with the likes of Diaby, etc.. :?

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SteveO 35 wrote:
Irish Gooner wrote:We needed to sign a midfield general like Barton who would scare our precious pampered babies and lead this team.

We got Arteta, who is not that. Now what can we do, this team has zero leaders so we wont win anything anytime soon.
Yeah Barton looked great at WHL when the Spurs midfield were zipping the ball around. Are you seriously suggesting that he would improve this side.

Should never have let Diarra leave. He would have been the perfect CDM - strong, athletic and mobile. But Arseneknows failed to understand that having rescued him from being Chelsea's reserve right back, that he didn't take kindly to being a reserve here. Strange that
Diarra had an attitude and didn't want to fight for his place.

Whether you like it or not, Flamini was flying that season and fully warranted his place in the side.

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kiwomya wrote:
Babatunde wrote: Wilshere, Van Persie, Sagna now there are serious quality players right there. For me RVP and Sagna are up there as the best in the league for their respective positions. And Wilshere is up there as the best young player in the league for me. Chesney has proved nothing yet to me despite the clamour. :?:
But....
Babatunde wrote:I would have made Chesney captain. At least he's vocal, at least he has delivered for Arsenal.
You talk so much that your opinion changes with each post to suit the arguments you persist with.
here in brazil that's called "talking shite out of your hole" :lol: :lol:

and mr. tunde is a master of that art 8)

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Babatunde wrote:
kiwomya wrote:
Babatunde wrote: Wilshere, Van Persie, Sagna now there are serious quality players right there. For me RVP and Sagna are up there as the best in the league for their respective positions. And Wilshere is up there as the best young player in the league for me. Chesney has proved nothing yet to me despite the clamour. :?:
But....
Babatunde wrote:I would have made Chesney captain. At least he's vocal, at least he has delivered for Arsenal.
You talk so much that your opinion changes with each post to suit the arguments you persist with.
The point I was trying to make is that Ches in RVP's absence is the most natural leader. The most vocal. Does that mean he's proved himself as a player? No.
Read more, learn more please.
How you eeven try to defend yourself is laughable!

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kiwomya wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
Irish Gooner wrote:We needed to sign a midfield general like Barton who would scare our precious pampered babies and lead this team.

We got Arteta, who is not that. Now what can we do, this team has zero leaders so we wont win anything anytime soon.
Yeah Barton looked great at WHL when the Spurs midfield were zipping the ball around. Are you seriously suggesting that he would improve this side.

Should never have let Diarra leave. He would have been the perfect CDM - strong, athletic and mobile. But Arseneknows failed to understand that having rescued him from being Chelsea's reserve right back, that he didn't take kindly to being a reserve here. Strange that
Diarra had an attitude and didn't want to fight for his place.

Whether you like it or not, Flamini was flying that season and fully warranted his place in the side.
Well done on today's Most Predictable Response thread. You obviously knew the guy well. Strange that when he went to Portsmouth and drove them to their first trophy before being sold at quadruple the figure we let him go for his attitude seemed fine.

If someone signed you where you were being used as a reserve to start with on the basis that you were going to play...and then whenever you did play you ran the game and played at a tempo that the guy ahead of you could only dream of....how would your attitude be.

Still we've got Song, Coquelin and Frimpong now so why worry eh ?

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SteveO 35 wrote:
kiwomya wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
Irish Gooner wrote:We needed to sign a midfield general like Barton who would scare our precious pampered babies and lead this team.

We got Arteta, who is not that. Now what can we do, this team has zero leaders so we wont win anything anytime soon.
Yeah Barton looked great at WHL when the Spurs midfield were zipping the ball around. Are you seriously suggesting that he would improve this side.

Should never have let Diarra leave. He would have been the perfect CDM - strong, athletic and mobile. But Arseneknows failed to understand that having rescued him from being Chelsea's reserve right back, that he didn't take kindly to being a reserve here. Strange that
Diarra had an attitude and didn't want to fight for his place.

Whether you like it or not, Flamini was flying that season and fully warranted his place in the side.
Well done on today's Most Predictable Response thread. You obviously knew the guy well. Strange that when he went to Portsmouth and drove them to their first trophy before being sold at quadruple the figure we let him go for his attitude seemed fine.

If someone signed you where you were being used as a reserve to start with on the basis that you were going to play...and then whenever you did play you ran the game and played at a tempo that the guy ahead of you could only dream of....how would your attitude be.

Still we've got Song, Coquelin and Frimpong now so why worry eh ?
Calm down mate. Judging by your response you didn't hear or read anything he said when he was at Arsenal. You also didn't pay attention to how good Flamini was.

Diarra went to Pompey because he was guarenteed to play. Arsenal had a more established midfield at the time with Flamini finally showing what he could do.

Not sure about him running anything in the handful of games he played for Arsenal.

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franksav63 wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
Irish Gooner wrote:We needed to sign a midfield general like Barton who would scare our precious pampered babies and lead this team.

We got Arteta, who is not that. Now what can we do, this team has zero leaders so we wont win anything anytime soon.
Yeah Barton looked great at WHL when the Spurs midfield were zipping the ball around. Are you seriously suggesting that he would improve this side.

Should never have let Diarra leave. He would have been the perfect CDM - strong, athletic and mobile. But Arseneknows failed to understand that having rescued him from being Chelsea's reserve right back, that he didn't take kindly to being a reserve here. Strange that
Perhaps Diarra was totally pissed off with the dross that were ahead of him for a place, with the likes of Diaby, etc.. :?
Groundhogday once again.
Why are people forgetting at that time Flamini was in the form of his life and we had Gilberto Silva there too, hardly likely that he was going to get ahead of them.
Even now he doessn't even feature in the madrid set up :roll:

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Mate you can argue with some justification that flamini did well enough to hold his place that season and I can understand that but there is no way you will convince me that flamini was a better player than diarra

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