Goetze saga

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I Hate Hleb wrote:
Babatunde wrote:Wenger wouldn't pay the £13.5 mil for World Cup winner Mata, though all was agreed but he's gonna show ambition and pay £35 mil for this lad Goetze. Wenger wouldn't show enough ambition to keep players like Vieira, Henry and Fabregas (all better players than RVP) but this time "things will be different".

ROFL ha ha ha ha ha ha

Does Mario speak French btw??
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I think he speaks Italian!! :oops: :lol: :lol: :wink:
LMAO Grazie mille!

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Babatunde wrote:Wenger wouldn't pay the £13.5 mil for World Cup winner Mata, though all was agreed but he's gonna show ambition and pay £35 mil for this lad Goetze. Wenger wouldn't show enough ambition to keep players like Vieira, Henry and Fabregas (all better players than RVP) but this time "things will be different".

ROFL ha ha ha ha ha ha

Does Mario speak French btw??
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ROFL, seriously? Are you a teenage girl by chance?

Maybe he will, maybe he won't, the fact that he didn't spend 13.5m on a World Cup Squad Player is enough to tell you that maybe he didn't fancy him as much as we wanted him to and perhaps confirms what I suggested in him holding on to the money for who he really wants.

Your point about Hazard has no relivance, his club would not sell him when we knew Nasri was off, talking point over.

Time will tell I guess.

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All I can say is this kid is the real deal and I think he's going to be a superstar. It would be a massive statement of ambition for the club to land one of Europe's most promising prodigies.

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Gunnersaurus wrote:
Babatunde wrote:Wenger wouldn't pay the £13.5 mil for World Cup winner Mata, though all was agreed but he's gonna show ambition and pay £35 mil for this lad Goetze. Wenger wouldn't show enough ambition to keep players like Vieira, Henry and Fabregas (all better players than RVP) but this time "things will be different".

ROFL ha ha ha ha ha ha

Does Mario speak French btw??
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ROFL, seriously? Are you a teenage girl by chance?

Maybe he will, maybe he won't, the fact that he didn't spend 13.5m on a World Cup Squad Player is enough to tell you that maybe he didn't fancy him as much as we wanted him to and perhaps confirms what I suggested in him holding on to the money for who he really wants.

Your point about Hazard has no relivance, his club would not sell him when we knew Nasri was off, talking point over.

Time will tell I guess.
LOL some classic AKB delusion going on here!!!!
So lemme get this right. Wenger didn't really want a top class, young World Cup winner in his squad for £13.5 million. So perhaps Arsene just didn't fancy this player so much. What he did fancy doing instead though, was to spend £14 million on a kid from League 1, who isn't yet trusted enough to start Carling Cup matches. Riiiiight great logic there. Arsene Knows.

What do you mean Lille would not sell Hazard? Nonsense. Lille would sell but the price was set at £25 million and Wenger did not want to pay it. Get your facts straight or else failing that, go read what Lille President Michel Seydoux had to say about it: Lille named their price, Arsenal wouldn't match it. You've just made up a fact about Lille refusing to sell - it was more Wenger not wanting to pay the £25 mil asking price. Don't let the facts get in the way mind....

Oh and your dismissive description of Mata as a 'World Cup squad player' is comical. What are you suggesting he was not good enough for us? Aaaah perhaps Wenger had his eye on North Korea border patrol officer for Seoul, Park Choo-Young. Heh. Or perhaps he was more focused on 'never been a World Cup squad player, or even an international squad player' Mikel Arteta? Is that it?


Aaaaah but perhaps you're right and as you suggest it merely 'confirms what you suspected', which is that 'Arsene is holding on to the money for who he really wants'. Perhaps he's still holding on to that £41 mil we received from Citeh for Kolo and Ade, as he keeps saying there is no 'super quality' in the market!!! So if he can hold on to the Cesc + Nasri cash, and add that to the Ade + Kolo cash he's still hanging onto...according to Gunnersaurus logic, Arsene must be waiting for some incredible player since by my calculations there's at least £90 million in transfer fees there.

Oh right. I think he's waiting for MESSI!!!!!

He he he he.....
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Oh ZOMG, PMSL, ROFLMAO, LMFAO, YOUREAPLANK, Babatunde throws around the dull AKB tag yet again as a way of trying to force an opinion home, I was right pre edit last night, you really are a dull mug, the silly abbreviations confirm it.

On to Mata, forget other signings, he's padding and trying to build a squad so their ability is not relivant to Mata, what is relivant is if he sees Mata as better as Goetze or Hazard, obviously he didn't enough to be decisive or if he sees Arteta and Park as better than Denilson, Chamakh or Bendtner.

Unlike you I don't have facts, I'm not a fountain of knowledge, I go by what I'm spoon fed and what I was spoon fed is that he was not available for transfer in the Summer, I also read that the player is ready to leave this Summer, I'm sure the club or clubs are in the know and don't go by info spoon fed to them like us, if Lille would sell for 25m and there's a Que of clubs after him then it makes no sense that no one got him or like I said, he wasn't available.

If there's 90m of transfer fees and the pot is full then the club have it in them to shock us all, yes, all of us Nobber and pull something out of the bag in Jan, time will tell.

Right, time to wipe my arse and go to work, funny but this seems the best place to read you, fitting.

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Tbf gunnersaurus, the one thing that baba has said that you should be willing to concede on is that the notion of wenger holding onto transfer money purely cos the quality aint out there is (in my opinion anyway) absurd. The man in theory has accumulated a stock pile going back to the citeeh deal's for our african departures and this has never been re-invested. Wenger can argue (incorrectly imo) that mata wasnt good enough or at least not at that price and he can also argue that gotze is overpriced and that is his right to argue that point but I simply refuse to believe that there is no super quality player out there for him. I also believe that his super quality argument loses credibility when he gives contract increases to existing players that are clearly not good enough and when he overpays for players like gervinho, ox and koscielny (regardless of undoubted improvement he still is not worth that money) :roll:

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Yeah, I don't disagree with that, I'm not saying that he is holding on because the quality is not there though, I'm thinking that he has player A or B in mind and is playing the long game with them if he is infact going to break the bank for someone.

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augie wrote:I too have serious doubts that he will sign for us if he is as good as we are led to believe and if he is coveted by europe's big clubs as well unless he see's us as a stepping stone although I obviously hope I am wrong on that.
1. Götze is one of the biggest talents in football I have ever seen. I can imagine him getting better than Cesc!
2. augie is absolutely right. Someone of his talent might prefer a team with more chance to win a trophy like Manchester City/United/Barca/Real.
3. Most likely he will join Bayern München. They have everything: enough money, a great stadium, a familiar german setting, regular CL football and a trophy winning team.

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we can't buy everyone.

i reckon it would make more sense to concentrate on getting Hazard.

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Would people rather we had bought Mata in the summer or waited 6-12 months to sign Götze? You know that we couldn't have signed both.

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Red Member wrote:we can't buy everyone.

i reckon it would make more sense to concentrate on getting Hazard.
can you just get bored and fuck off back to redcafe or bluemoon or wherever you came from.

Goetze is far superior to Hazard and Steve Rowley has already watched him. Arsene obviously rates him so hopefully he'll finally splash the cash. If we did sign Goetze we would have the best strike partnership in the league, and it would send a message to RVP, wilshere etc we've actually got a shred of ambition.

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Gunnersaurus wrote:Oh ZOMG, PMSL, ROFLMAO, LMFAO, YOUREAPLANK, Babatunde throws around the dull AKB tag yet again as a way of trying to force an opinion home, I was right pre edit last night, you really are a dull mug, the silly abbreviations confirm it.

On to Mata, forget other signings, he's padding and trying to build a squad so their ability is not relivant to Mata, what is relivant is if he sees Mata as better as Goetze or Hazard, obviously he didn't enough to be decisive or if he sees Arteta and Park as better than Denilson, Chamakh or Bendtner.

Unlike you I don't have facts, I'm not a fountain of knowledge, I go by what I'm spoon fed and what I was spoon fed is that he was not available for transfer in the Summer, I also read that the player is ready to leave this Summer, I'm sure the club or clubs are in the know and don't go by info spoon fed to them like us, if Lille would sell for 25m and there's a Que of
clubs after him then it makes no sense that no one got him or like I said, he wasn't available.

If there's 90m of transfer fees and the pot is full then the club have it in them to shock us all, yes, all of us Nobber and pull something out of the bag in Jan, time will tell.

3 things of concern result from your answer:

1. Your admittal that you live on what you are spoon fed. Like a sheep. What is it I've compared the standard AKB to again? :lol:

2. Your inability to correctly spell the term "relevant". And you question my age!!

3. Your inability to address the crux of the argument. Instead going off an an inane tangent using playground insults. Sign of a boy without a leg to stand on.

Case closed...

Right, time to wipe my arse and go to work, funny but this seems the best place to read you, fitting.

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I think a lot of people put too much stock in this CL issue. Look at Liverpool, it really doesn't harm you in the transfer market IF you spend the money.

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kiwomya wrote:Would people rather we had bought Mata in the summer or waited 6-12 months to sign Götze? You know that we couldn't have signed both.
:ihh:

You think/know we're going to sign Götze? I hope you're right.

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kiwomya wrote:Would people rather we had bought Mata in the summer or waited 6-12 months to sign Götze? You know that we couldn't have signed both.

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