The Banner

[slevinlacey]

Any updates on the unfurling of the banner?

[Herd]

Fully agree with Mr Cannon,but at the same time only 20 people buy the Gooner nowadays so I doubt if it gets out to a large audience .

The MAgazine and the people who write it have always been pompous pricks ,so much so that I stop reading it after about 3 issues.

Who Are ya ?

[northbankbren]

Fully agree with Mr Cannon,but at the same time only 20 people buy the Gooner nowadays so I doubt if it gets out to a large audience .

The MAgazine and the people who write it have always been pompous pricks ,so much so that I stop reading it after about 3 issues.

Who Are ya ?

so you fully agree with the pompous prick.....fair enough.

[DB10GOONER]

Some reasonable points but to say that peoples opinions aren't as valid if they don't go to games is just arrogant.

No, I think it is true.

Both those who go and those who do not go can have valid opinions, but

if you only watch on TV you do not see the whole pitch and how the players line up in space or make off the ball runs, or how they talk to each other during a game, unless a skilled director shows replays from different angles.

By the same token you could go to every match and yet not have a clue beyond what is actually happening on or near the ball at any one time.

Alternatively, you could be stuck at home with only the television footage as a guide yet still be able to make accurate assessments about what's happening in terms of right and wrong tactics, who is playing shit or well, the players putting in effort and those that aren't, and other such football judgments.

So in my opinion, going to matches doesn't automatically make you more knowledgable about football than someone who doesn't get to games - especially if the latter has some experience of playing or coaching the game.

I'm with the junkie on this one. I've never read so much bollocks as on this thread. I've sat beside plenty of so called Gooners in the Conglomerates that didn't have a fucking clue about football and even a few that didn't even know the names of the players! Yet they were ST holders, attended every game.

In my 20 or so years of going to the Arsenal (+ watching Oireland games and 35+ years playing amateur matches) I've experienced both sides of the coin regularly. I've often arrived home from matches and seen something on the replaid TV coverage that I totally missed whilst at the game due to poor sight lines or through watching another area of the pitch.

Being at a match does give you a better "overview" of the whole game and you can pick up some of the off the ball work that some players do, but it often doesn't let you see the silly personal mistakes players make up close, and it does not give you a better understanding of the game simply based upon the fact you are there.

It's like saying someone is a surgeon because they are standing in an operating theartre. What makes them a surgeon is the knowledge of surgery they have, not the location or regularity of attendance.

[littlefire]

I've sat beside plenty of so called Gooners in the Conglomerates that didn't have a fucking clue about football

Scalpel?

[Red Member]

isnt it funny how since talk of a banner was mentioned we have hardly lost a game

[littlefire]

isnt it funny how since talk of a banner was mentioned we have hardly lost a game

[DB10GOONER]

I've sat beside plenty of so called Gooners in the Conglomerates that didn't have a fucking clue about football

Scalpel?

Huh?

[Almunia is a clown]

Just sew on new letters............problem sorted

YANK OUT!!!!!!!

KROENKE OUT!!!!!!!

[SWLGooner]

Again, the opinion of the banner makers has not changed (with one notable exception...) after the recent upturn in form. Lovely to see us back to winning ways though!

[Pascal Cygan AFC Legend]

Again, the opinion of the banner makers has not changed (with one notable exception...) after the recent upturn in form. Lovely to see us back to winning ways though!

As the 'notable exception,' who was on this forum before and has returned, I'd like to say this:

If the banner is going to be brought out, it should be brought out later in the season in my opinion. Like it or not (and I don't), Wenger will not be sacked in mid-season so it's pointless bringing it out and would create a poisonous atmosphere at the wrong time. I'd support any protest against the money-grabbing twats known as our board any time, but I think this is the time to back the players on the pitch, and like it or not, unveiling this banner against their manager is not the way to go. If things get fucked up from March onwards as per usual, then by all means I'd support this being unveiled. But for now I think it shouldn't be shown for a while and we should just wait and see how the season goes. I'm not absolving Wenger of any blame, and I think he and the board are as equally responsible, but I think any protest against the manager at this moment in time looks ill-advised.

And on another note, a reason why I left is because of some of the bickering and in-fighting on this place. I used to love this forum, but the bitching and personal abuse over different opinions became ridiculous, even worse than when a certain Martin was on here. Fair enough there have been a fair few WUMS on here and a lot of us are frustrated and annoyed with elements of support but we're all Arsenal at the end of the day, so disagree with opinions if you do, but do so in a respectful manner. UP THE ARSENAL

[LDB]

Again, the opinion of the banner makers has not changed (with one notable exception...) after the recent upturn in form. Lovely to see us back to winning ways though!

As the 'notable exception,' who was on this forum before and has returned, I'd like to say this:

If the banner is going to be brought out, it should be brought out later in the season in my opinion. Like it or not (and I don't), Wenger will not be sacked in mid-season so it's pointless bringing it out and would create a poisonous atmosphere at the wrong time. I'd support any protest against the money-grabbing twats known as our board any time, but I think this is the time to back the players on the pitch, and like it or not, unveiling this banner against their manager is not the way to go. If things get fucked up from March onwards as per usual, then by all means I'd support this being unveiled. But for now I think it shouldn't be shown for a while and we should just wait and see how the season goes. I'm not absolving Wenger of any blame, and I think he and the board are as equally responsible, but I think any protest against the manager at this moment in time looks ill-advised.

And on another note, a reason why I left is because of some of the bickering and in-fighting on this place. I used to love this forum, but the bitching and personal abuse over different opinions became ridiculous, even worse than when a certain Martin was on here. Fair enough there have been a fair few WUMS on here and a lot of us are frustrated and annoyed with elements of support but we're all Arsenal at the end of the day, so disagree with opinions if you do, but do so in a respectful manner. UP THE ARSENAL

Im not saying to unfurl this now as the moment has definitely passed (there will be another one, dont worry) but i have a wild theory. This club has needed a kick up the arse for a long time now from fans to players to manager to boardroom so maybe the thing arsenal doesn't need is more placid acceptance of failure. If the players truly believe in their manager then one little (rather polite) banner is not going to change that, with any luck it will make them fight for him. Same for the board.

To misquote martin luther king, we learn nothing about people when the going is good, when things get bad again its time Wenger started facing some questions.

[Eboue-Why?]

At the end of the day, I believe that the 66 pages on this thread, the interview with Frank by Durham, the 60 minutes of primetime airtime, the mentions in the tabloids have highlighted that some of us DO NOT believe that Wenger is untouchable and that things have to change.

Now you could argue that the upturn in form is a coincidence or an inevitability or maybe that the debate has focused their minds?!

I for one am still grateful to SWL for making the issue expand like wild fire

[SWLGooner]

At the end of the day, I believe that the 66 pages on this thread, the interview with Frank by Durham, the 60 minutes of primetime airtime, the mentions in the tabloids have highlighted that some of us DO NOT believe that Wenger is untouchable and that things have to change.

Now you could argue that the upturn in form is a coincidence or an inevitability or maybe that the debate has focused their minds?!

I for one am still grateful to SWL for making the issue expand like wild fire

Cheers E-W. It's possible but the others wouldn't like to try and take credit, I for one reckon it's partly the easier fixtures and (whisper it) the team possibly starting to gel.

Also glad you didn't mention my.... forgettable interview ;)

[flash gunner]

Again, the opinion of the banner makers has not changed (with one notable exception...) after the recent upturn in form. Lovely to see us back to winning ways though!

As the 'notable exception,' who was on this forum before and has returned, I'd like to say this:

If the banner is going to be brought out, it should be brought out later in the season in my opinion. Like it or not (and I don't), Wenger will not be sacked in mid-season so it's pointless bringing it out and would create a poisonous atmosphere at the wrong time. I'd support any protest against the money-grabbing twats known as our board any time, but I think this is the time to back the players on the pitch, and like it or not, unveiling this banner against their manager is not the way to go. If things get fucked up from March onwards as per usual, then by all means I'd support this being unveiled. But for now I think it shouldn't be shown for a while and we should just wait and see how the season goes. I'm not absolving Wenger of any blame, and I think he and the board are as equally responsible, but I think any protest against the manager at this moment in time looks ill-advised.

And on another note, a reason why I left is because of some of the bickering and in-fighting on this place. I used to love this forum, but the bitching and personal abuse over different opinions became ridiculous, even worse than when a certain Martin was on here. Fair enough there have been a fair few WUMS on here and a lot of us are frustrated and annoyed with elements of support but we're all Arsenal at the end of the day, so disagree with opinions if you do, but do so in a respectful manner. UP THE ARSENAL

Who is this Pacal Cygan poster? Is it the old poster AA23? If so why is he using a new username?