If Carlsberg did WUMs....

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:11 am

The lack of contempt and spite towards the Heebs from some on here tells me all I need to know about our support these days.

Maybe it is just me but I was always taught to love Arsenal and hate Tottingham!

Post by **g88ner** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:20 am

Percy Dalton wrote:The lack of contempt and spite towards the Heebs from some on here tells me all I need to know about our support these days.

Maybe it is just me but I was always taught to love Arsenal and hate Tottingham!

I'm not sure anyone would disagree with that though, would they? - certainly not me.

But that's not the debate here, is it.

The question is whether you hate Sp*rs so much that you'd rather we were both in the EUROPA league than both in the Champions League! - all so we can have bragging rights, even though finishing 5th and them 6th is a failure for us and normal for them.

If we were talking about Sp*rs winning the league, then this thread might have a point... but personally, if Arsenal being in the CL meant Sp*rs qualified as well, then I'd take that. And I'm still not sure why anyone wouldn't?

Gunnerz4life · Post by **Gunnerz4life** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:21 am

Finishing outside the top 4 would not neccessarily achieve anything either and might not provide the wake up call that we are hoping for. Yes, some fans will be angry, but many will still support Wenger and the way the club is being run, same situation as now. Gazidis has already come out and said we couple financially cope with not qualifying for the CL.

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:25 am

I wasn't making it a debate I was just adding a statement.

If you want to get picky the thread is about whether Red Member is a WUM and not whether we finish above Tottingham or not.

augie · Post by **augie** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:36 am

Percy Dalton wrote:The lack of contempt and spite towards the Heebs from some on here tells me all I need to know about our support these days.

Maybe it is just me but I was always taught to love Arsenal and hate Tottingham!

That aint coming from me - I was trying to make the point that qualifying for the champs league shouldnt be viewed as all important anymore so it certainly isnt a "prize" that I would be willing to sacrifice almost anything for. That being said I can understand the argument that g88ner and a few others have made that historically we have never been obsessed with them like they have been about us but it was easy to take that stance in the past when they were no real threat to us but now due to the incompetence of wenger and the board we have been dragged back down to a level where they are a very serious threat hence the added importance of the rivalry

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:53 am

pretty impressive that you have kept this thread going for 4 pages and I haven't even posted yet. well done

anyway I stand by the comment that the OP posted which was taken from another thread on here.

There is a good chance that both Spurs and Arsenal may qualify for the CL next season and if Spurs finish above us then yes that would be a disaster but I would far rather we were both in the CL than both in the Europa League.

Now how is that supposed to be a WUM?

paperclip · Post by **paperclip** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:32 am

Percy Dalton wrote:The lack of contempt and spite towards the Heebs from some on here tells me all I need to know about our support these days.

Maybe it is just me but I was always taught to love Arsenal and hate Tottingham!

What a ridiculous post.
what does it tell you about us then? Are we not proper Arsenal fans like you because we'd rather see the team do well than Tottenham do badly?

Maybe it's just me but I've always beleived you should love your team more than you should hate another. Guess I'm not a real fan

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:52 am

I have just noticed that the OP puts as his location Yorkshire

Hilarious. I bet he really keeps in touch with the north London rivalry up there.

Post by **flash gunner** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:55 am

Red Member wrote:I have just noticed that the OP puts as his location Yorkshire

Hilarious. I bet he really keeps in touch with the north London rivalry up there.

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:56 am

paperclip wrote:
Percy Dalton wrote:The lack of contempt and spite towards the Heebs from some on here tells me all I need to know about our support these days.

Maybe it is just me but I was always taught to love Arsenal and hate Tottingham!

What a ridiculous post.
what does it tell you about us then? Are we not proper Arsenal fans like you because we'd rather see the team do well than Tottenham do badly?

Maybe it's just me but I've always beleived you should love your team more than you should hate another. Guess I'm not a real fan

No, it is not a ridiculous post.

I never said in what proportion you should love or hate. You have made that part up to justify your own means.

I never said I wouldn't prefer to see Arsenal do well over Tottingham doing poorly and so that is a daft presumption to make.

So you see, you have made up most of your retort. So whose is the ridiculous post now?

All I was saying is the apathetic nature towards to The Heebs, our fiercest rivals and sworn enemy historically, is indicative of the lack of true loyalty shown by a very large number of our support.

For me, part of loving Arsenal is hating Tottingham as those two things go hand in hand. It is called passion.

Still, as long as the new breed enjoy the catering, match day experience and the new Armoury catalogue hey!

paperclip · Post by **paperclip** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:46 am

Your post, taken in the context of the thread, seemed to be having a a dig at those of us who'd choose us getting success over Spurs failing. The fact that you'd be having a dig about it would suggest that you took the opposite view point. Yes, I made an assumption but I would hardly call it a daft one. Apologies, if I got it wrong, but that's what it looked like you were getting at.

I don't think people are showing apathy towards Spurs in this thread. I only see people putting more importance in us doing well.

If you're talking about Arsenal fans in general then fair enough. I have noticed particularly since Chelsea came into the money that Arsenal fans have been spreading the hate a bit more, but I wouldn't have said people are now apathetic to Spurs. Certainly myself and my circle of friends hate them as much as ever. I never go to home games anymore so perhaps that's why I haven't noticed so much.

Again, sorry for putting words into your mouth.

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:23 pm

paperclip wrote:Your post, taken in the context of the thread, seemed to be having a a dig at those of us who'd choose us getting success over Spurs failing. The fact that you'd be having a dig about it would suggest that you took the opposite view point. Yes, I made an assumption but I would hardly call it a daft one. Apologies, if I got it wrong, but that's what it looked like you were getting at.

I don't think people are showing apathy towards Spurs in this thread. I only see people putting more importance in us doing well.

If you're talking about Arsenal fans in general then fair enough. I have noticed particularly since Chelsea came into the money that Arsenal fans have been spreading the hate a bit more, but I wouldn't have said people are now apathetic to Spurs. Certainly myself and my circle of friends hate them as much as ever. I never go to home games anymore so perhaps that's why I haven't noticed so much.

Again, sorry for putting words into your mouth.

No problem! I was probably a bit over the top in my defence.

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:48 pm

Aahhhhhhh. Now get a room!!!

Post by **I Hate Hleb** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:51 pm

g88ner wrote:
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:
g88ner wrote:
Natural Born Gooner wrote: Maybe it stems from the fact when I stated supporting Arsenal we were the underdogs (1986-87), but in my eyes the minimum requirement from every season is to finish above the Spuds.

Just my opinion
It still amounts to being more obsessed with Sp*rs than what's best for Arsenal though.

To prefer Arsenal miss out on CL football just so we can say we finished above Sp*rs is embarrassingly small time.

We used to laugh at them for being obsessed with us... what is wrong with people on here?
I doubt we will be in the CL next year at all, mate.

If the EL is the ONLY choice I'd rather have that than fuck all.
Well obviously, but that's not the fucking question, is it??

fucking druggies!

Oi - leave me out of this!!

Wengerball · Post by **Wengerball** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:34 pm

the fact that we are even having a debate on the subject of Spurs finishing above us shows how far we have fallen.
In the not so distant past this scenario would have been laughed at. Oh and I take issue with the quote from Red Member because if Spurs are finishing above us in ANY tournament it means we are not winning it which is what we should always be aiming to do, otherwise what is the point.
Its like the Chavs or ManYoo saying- "well if we can get to the final this year then even if we are beaten by our bitter rivals it doesnt matter it will be a massive achievement".

Oh and as for my location- we can't all live within 5 minutes of the E*******

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