Jacko Doc Found Guilty

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:29 pm

That wasn't how I meant it, but if you interpret it like that then you interpret it like that. C'est la vie.

wicklowgooner · Post by **wicklowgooner** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:35 pm

Lads ignoring definitions of racism etc I have to say the comments were out of order. Of course being Irish I will be biased but the Irish comment was distasteful as was sweeping statement on americans. This topic went totally off course- politics & sport yeah?

Granted I am pissed off- lost my car to floods here and was homeless for 2 weeks so just trying catch up on goings on now

northbankbren · Post by **northbankbren** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:58 pm

SWLGooner wrote:That wasn't how I meant it, but if you interpret it like that then you interpret it like that. C'est la vie.

not looking to get into an argument swl, but how was it supposed to be meant?

sid wound you up with what i personally see as a racist comment towards americans and you bit back with one towards the irish. For me you both went too far.

Now im all game for a laugh and banter but this thread has gone too far. If yours and sids posts were about whites, blacks, asians or even say catholic,protestent,jewish, muslims this thread would have been locked down and gone. I feel it should be, or at least your posts deleted.

The thread was supposed to be about the fella who helped the child abuser top himself.

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:18 am

Heres the thing bren, im as disgusted by genuine racism as the next man but what i have a problem with is when any attempt to comment on a culture or set of actions in a justifiably negative way is censored in the name of racism. The way I see it, sid and swl were disapproving of a culture, a bit of international politics and a historic conflict which imo they're perfectly entitled to do. Even if it was done in a rather childish "NO U" kind of way

As i said before, it was put in a very crass way but SWL is essentially correct with regards to the dark side of recent and ancient irish history. With sid i think you've overplayed the 99.99% comment, clearly a rather empty comment, his main point is about american culture and actions abroad which, while i disagree, he is perfectly entitled to say.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:21 am

northbankbren wrote:
goonersid wrote:
northbankbren wrote:
LDB wrote:
northbankbren wrote:This thread has gone totally of topic. Delete the fucker. Wont go into it but some real fucking racist comments on here, that are unjustifiable.
You referring to the comment about Irish people killing each other? Not exactly racist, a little crass maybe but if thats racist then so is Sid's rant about the yanks.
Yep. Both In my opinion are racist.

A racist rant against the us which has been with an equally racist response about the irish. Banter is one thing, but for me personally some of the comments have gone too far.
Bren, can you tell me what I said that you would class as racist. I would consider my political comments as justified, and if there are any of my "american traits" observations which are untrue, they pray tell.
99.99% of americans are fucking wankers, i think it was. Sorry but tell me how that isnt racist.

Hardly racist Bren, stereoetyping would be a better word

Sometimes people can be a bit over sensitive to criticism of another nationality. The English have an ongoing dislike for the French and the Germans, so is that racism?
Yanks get on my tits, I can't help it, sorry.
But like you said on another post, I don't want to get into an online arguement. Flash asked me why I didn't like yanks and I tried to post a both serious and tongue in cheek reply.
As for SWL's comment. I didn't consider it to be racist, but confrontational and in very poor taste.

RoscommonGooner · Post by **RoscommonGooner** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:27 am

SWLGooner wrote:
A lot of that is basically you disliking American national pride... COMMENTS DELETED BY MOD AFTER REQUEST FROM FORUM MEMBER

Murderous campaigns, yes fine I will give you Iraq, to an extent, but if stopping the Chinese in SE Asia was entirely justified.

Israeli terrorism? Mind clarifying that comment? I would love to hear your geopolitical ruminations.

Bang out of order. And this is from a guy with South Africian origians

Yankee_Gooner_Dandee · Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:57 pm

Sid why do you even think about us Americans? Are we really that important in your life that you devote your time to criticizing us for everything that, you think, we are?

I can tell you, that outside of your wonderful football league, I don't give a shit about what you do in your life, or think about you. You do not concern me enough to go completely off topic in a thread, and rant anti-Irish or British stereotypes. Not to mention the fact that a people's government does not remotely represent the people themselves, regardless of how Democratic their election processes may or may not be. Our government receives more criticism from our own people than you could possibly fathom in your narrow-minded head.

And yes, there are hypocricies within our government, of course there are. NATO is supposed to be the closest thing the free world has to a "world police" but everyone knows that they're fucking useless. So who do everyone look to when some fucking dictator is murdering thousands of people? The Irish Army? No. They look to this country to do something... or to not do something about it. You cannot please everyone, and in most situations we do not please most everyone. However, its always a situation of "damned if you do, damned if you don't." And believe me, most people in this country want us to help LESS than we do right now. Our own country is suffering. 10% unemployment rate where I live, yet our government is spending billions of dollars on foreign wars and foreign diplomacy matters, where they could be putting that money towards public health care, creating jobs, and improving schools.

As for Bahrain, it is a sticky situation. Yes our base is there and guess what? That base has major implications if any future, larger scale, problem should occur...like say Iran for instance. I'm sure Obama and co would do something if it did not put the long term safety of our nation in danger. And yes, losing that base would certainly do so.

I honestly just do not understand how someone from a Western, democratic, english speaking nation could have so much hate towards another, regardless of anything else. I mean, the Chinese for christ sake? You couldn't possibly imagine how different that would be.

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:33 pm

The English have an ongoing dislike for the French and the Germans, so is that racism?

do we?

first I've heard. maybe becuase we were in two long wars with the nazis would have something to do with an apparent dislike for germans. however I doubt anyone here would say 99% of germans are wankers, as for the french, no, they are a great nation and in no way have I heard anyone here say "The english race is superior to the french".
I've never suggesting exterminating either "race", and no-one else in my family has expressed racist feelings towards the french or germans. I guess its possible to dislike a nation without genuine feelings of racial elitism, for instance I dislike the majority of americans, however I can appreciate the culture of the place.

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:33 am

LDB wrote: As i said before, it was put in a very crass way but SWL is essentially correct with regards to the dark side of recent and ancient irish history.

erm, no he is not, mate. QUOTED COMMENTS DELETED BY MOD AFTER REQUEST FROM FORUM MEMBER. Only a tiny minority have ever been involved in mindless sectarian violence. The vast majority of Oirish people have never supported the terrible murderous violence committed in their name by a handful of scum bags, be they Nationalist or Loyalist.

I've read and re-read this thread and I agree with Percy - it is not racist anywhere. It is xenophobic at times and to an extent jingoistic and in places down right ignorant but there is no overt racist remarks on it.

But if anyone genuinely feels racially abused let me know by PM and I'll delete the offending remarks.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:09 pm

Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:Sid why do you even think about us Americans? Are we really that important in your life that you devote your time to criticizing us for everything that, you think, we are? I can tell you, that outside of your wonderful football league, I don't give a shit about what you do in your life, or think about you. You do not concern me enough to go completely off topic in a thread, and rant anti-Irish or British stereotypes. Not to mention the fact that a people's government does not remotely represent the people themselves, regardless of how Democratic their election processes may or may not be. Our government receives more criticism from our own people than you could possibly fathom in your narrow-minded head.

And yes, there are hypocricies within our government, of course there are. NATO is supposed to be the closest thing the free world has to a "world police" but everyone knows that they're fucking useless. So who do everyone look to when some fucking dictator is murdering thousands of people? The Irish Army? No. They look to this country to do something... or to not do something about it. You cannot please everyone, and in most situations we do not please most everyone. However, its always a situation of "damned if you do, damned if you don't." And believe me, most people in this country want us to help LESS than we do right now. Our own country is suffering. 10% unemployment rate where I live, yet our government is spending billions of dollars on foreign wars and foreign diplomacy matters, where they could be putting that money towards public health care, creating jobs, and improving schools.

As for Bahrain, it is a sticky situation. Yes our base is there and guess what? That base has major implications if any future, larger scale, problem should occur...like say Iran for instance. I'm sure Obama and co would do something if it did not put the long term safety of our nation in danger. And yes, losing that base would certainly do so.

I honestly just do not understand how someone from a Western, democratic, english speaking nation could have so much hate towards another, regardless of anything else. I mean, the Chinese for christ sake? You couldn't possibly imagine how different that would be.

It's somewhat hard to ignore, when you have your oar stuck in just about everywhere there is a buck to be made.
As for going off topic, as I said earlier, I was asked by Flash as to why I have a dislike of yanks.
As for not giving a shit about what goes on here other than football, I can assure you the feeling is mutual, I just wish that I didn't have to look at "things american" everywhere I fucking turn.
As for your comments on NATO, you backed up my original comment, regarding the "kick ass" mentality of Americans.
Who exactly "looks to your country"? Not the palestinians, no because the Jewish vote in the us is too important, so the us will stand by and indeed support years of oppression by the Israelis.
As for the Chinese, I don't know why you have brought them into the debate, but I suspect you will soon be even more in their debt, given the state of your economy, oh how the mighty have fallen.

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:26 pm

China's a bubble. They don't worry me. So so similar to Russia circa 1980.

Number 5 · Post by **Number 5** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:35 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:I've read and re-read this thread

You poor bastard.

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:15 pm

Ok - I've deleted a couple comments off this one at the request of an offended forum member. I haven't deleted Sid's America rant because I honestly don't think it is racist, it doesn't incite racial hatred or racial violence. It is his personal opinion and seems more culturally directed.

Any more complaints and I think I'll just lock this one down. I don't have the time today to be editting this stuff.

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:16 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:Ok - I've deleted a couple comments off this one at the request of an offended forum member. I haven't deleted Sid's America rant because I honestly don't think it is racist, it doesn't incite racial hatred or racial violence. It is his personal opinion and seems more culturally directed.

Any more complaints and I think I'll just lock this one down. I don't have the time today to be editting this stuff.

You might as well, nothing positive is going to come from it.

Post by **REB** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:53 pm

I,ll lock down so you racist *word censored* swl