Wenger Out Banner

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:04 am

I'm a little surprised that some people on here are mocking the banner so much. With the club saying it would be confiscated at the Emirates it automatically halved the opportunities. Then, after a very surprising result at Chelsea, we happened to have an easy run of games that we have finally had some decent results in. This doesn't mean that Wenger is now a god again, it doesn't mean there are no problems at Arsenal, it just confirms that Arsenal has one of the most fickle support bases in the Premiership because large parts of the stadium were booing pretty regularly toward the end of last season and the start of this one. Now some of the Wenger lovers on here want the banner unfurled after a few easy games, just because they want trouble kicking off or they think the lads will look stupid. Pathetic. Arsenal are in the same shit now that we were at the start of the season ie: we have an incapable manager in charge and a board with no ambition, and a total reliance on one player who could well leave the club in the next 12 months, but some of you would still love to kiss Wengers ring. The banner DID raise awareness of the feeling of some of the clubs support so it has done a job. It'll be interesting to see what you're saying when we don't qualify for the CL at the end of the season.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:10 am

DUFFMAN wrote:Why hasn't it been shown?

I think that essay I just wrote answered that?
There are some pretty fickle fans at the grove these days who, when we win a couple of games, are right back in the 'wenger is god' camp ( not mentioning any names). If this banner is going to have the impact we (I) want it to have, then timing is everything.
It was made with the intention of showing it but didn't actually need to be in the end. Showing it now will alienate all the fence sitters who could give this message the support it needs to remove wenger.

As soon as things start turning the way we all know it it, then the banner WILL be shown. Yes, you're right, the amount of people backing/offering to help didn't amount to much more than bravado but believe me, when the timing is right, I'll hold the fucker on my own if I have to.

No bottle job, just about timing.

Bollocks, they bottled it, end of.

stg · Post by **stg** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:18 am

OK so I will retract my first paragraph but my other 2 paragraphs still hold true.

Just a quick note I sent the pic of the banner to 33 friends who all support The Arsenal and asked who agreed with the statement it was making. Only 1 said yes, Im not saying this is an example of all Arsenal support but it was an age group from 15 to 70 and two thirds have ST's or go to the majority of home and some away game and who sit in all parts of the ground.

Also if you belive in the statement the banner shows shouldnt you still be thinking of showing it at games as the message would still be the same if we are winning, losing or drawing. Your views can not have changed because of a few wins the banner implies that you want Wenger out of the club. So the banner has not done it's job because Wenger is still there

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:18 am

TeeCee wrote:I'm a little surprised that some people on here are mocking the banner so much. With the club saying it would be confiscated at the Emirates it automatically halved the opportunities. Then, after a very surprising result at Chelsea, we happened to have an easy run of games that we have finally had some decent results in. This doesn't mean that Wenger is now a god again, it doesn't mean there are no problems at Arsenal, it just confirms that Arsenal has one of the most fickle support bases in the Premiership because large parts of the stadium were booing pretty regularly toward the end of last season and the start of this one. Now some of the Wenger lovers on here want the banner unfurled after a few easy games, just because they want trouble kicking off or they think the lads will look stupid. Pathetic. Arsenal are in the same shit now that we were at the start of the season ie: we have an incapable manager in charge and a board with no ambition, and a total reliance on one player who could well leave the club in the next 12 months, but some of you would still love to kiss Wengers ring. The banner DID raise awareness of the feeling of some of the clubs support so it has done a job. It'll be interesting to see what you're saying when we don't qualify for the CL at the end of the season.

Good post TeeCee, agree with every word of this.

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:20 am

Lovely to see so many who agree offering to help us hold it *rolls eyes*

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:22 am

I'm not entirely sure why people who don't go to games think they can criticise the decisions of others who do with regards to support... What is it they say about walking the walk...

Number 5 · Post by **Number 5** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:06 am

SWLGooner wrote:I'm not entirely sure why people who don't go to games think they can criticise the decisions of others who do with regards to support... What is it they say about walking the walk...

Thing there is, a lot of dudes walked that walk whilst you were still tottering around the coffee table bud.

Circumstances change, 10-15 years ago my attendance at games was a lot more regular, I worked at Highbury for 3 years every match day.

But now 4 kids later and much more pressing things to spend my wife given allowance on,

, and I can't get over there as much as I'd want to.

Not that right now I'd even want to.

For what it's worth, I'd hold that banner out at the next home game.

Nothing is going to convince me that Wenger's time isn't up. Certainly not a few wins against mostly shitty opposition.

Post by **flash gunner** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:26 am

SWLGooner wrote:I'm not entirely sure why people who don't go to games think they can criticise the decisions of others who do with regards to support... What is it they say about walking the walk...

Mate you put a thread like this on a forum, then you get the banner and yet people arent allowed to comment on it? As with number 5 above i dont get to as many games (as well documented

) as id like to these days due to having a young family but if this subject is on an open forum i have every right to comment on it whether i go to 5 or 50 games a season

As ive said many times im 100% behind the banner but i think you did miss your opportunity but there will be opportunities to come as a few wins against shit oppo only fools the fools and i believe Wenger has had his day

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:22 pm

Fair enough mate if people say they disagree with the timing or the sentiment fine but I don't see how people can say 'well you bottled it', when they haven't done anything at all to make their feelings known.

arseofacrow · Post by **arseofacrow** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:25 pm

flash gunner wrote:
SWLGooner wrote:I'm not entirely sure why people who don't go to games think they can criticise the decisions of others who do with regards to support... What is it they say about walking the walk...
Mate you put a thread like this on a forum, then you get the banner and yet people arent allowed to comment on it? As with number 5 above i dont get to as many games (as well documented ) as id like to these days due to having a young family but if this subject is on an open forum i have every right to comment on it whether i go to 5 or 50 games a season

As ive said many times im 100% behind the banner but i think you did miss your opportunity but there will be opportunities to come as a few wins against shit oppo only fools the fools and i believe Wenger has had his day

Take the banner to Norwich

Number 5 · Post by **Number 5** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:32 pm

arseofacrow wrote:Take the banner to Norwich

Yeah, it's not like the unclefucking home fans will be able to read it, they haven't even got enough fingers and toes to count to six.

So it'll draw focus only from the away fans.

Maximum exposure.

Boom.

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:45 pm

I can't understand people saying 'nothing' will change their mind on any issue at all,
It simply can't be true
events can change the mid of anyone who isn't pathological

arseofacrow · Post by **arseofacrow** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:47 pm

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:01 pm

SWLGooner wrote:Fair enough mate if people say they disagree with the timing or the sentiment fine but I don't see how people can say 'well you bottled it', when they haven't done anything at all to make their feelings known.

Of course you bottled it. We were on the worst run in our premiership history, but decided because you thought we would beat Sunderland that you would look stupid if the banner was shown.
I think you honestly under estimated the swell of supporrt you would have received not only from steadfast anti-wenger fans, but also from those who are on the edge.
Having the banner confiscated would have been a massive piece of publicity for the campaign to get shot of both Wenger and the board.
The opportunity was missed, showing the banner now would come accross as anarchic. And showing it if we have a few poor results against quality opposition will appear fickle.
You blew it lads, and must now wait until the end of the season when we are out of all the cup competitions and 4th place is mathematically unachievable.

frankbutcher · Post by **frankbutcher** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:02 pm

This started as a bit of a moan of the OG, and then it snow-balled. We had a good run and created a stir, which is more than I ever expected. It would have been shown vs Sunderland but the numbers were not there to do it, and it would just have been a farce. Now is not the time to show it as the majority of our support are brain-washed sheep who will merely jump onto the defensive to protect Wenger. It will be shown when we inevitably collapse again. For the moment, feel free to lambast it, but I think that's mis-placed. It's the same usual suspects having a pop as they've got nothing better to do........

BTW - this banner has done nothing toward our present form. Anyone who suggests as much is as deluded as Wenger IMO.

Ta,

Frank