Wenger Out Banner

[T.S]

I'd find it difficult to be a contributor to this banner right now. On the one hand, you're a Gooner so you're hoping our good form continues. On the other, you've spent money on something you feel strongly about and, as long as the good form continues, the chance won't arise to unveil this banner. So surely there must be a small, infinitesimal part of you hoping that The Arsenal lose or go on a bad run. I can't quite get my head around that one. I could be wrong, but I'm just rationalising that on a very pragmatic level.

Frankbutcher says the downturn in form is inevitable, and maybe it is. But maybe it isn't. And anyway, what needs to happen for the timing to be right? We're not going to win the league - I think we can all agree on that. So what needs to happen? Does it get unveiled if we finish 2nd? 3rd? 4th? Lower? It seems to me that, as with most big turning points in life, there will always be reasons not to do something but, in the end, you're either going to do it or you aren't. This isn't intended to be overly critical - just lending you my tuppence.

[northbankbren]

I'm not entirely sure why people who don't go to games think they can criticise the decisions of others who do with regards to support... What is it they say about walking the walk...

Walk the walk?

Pure rubbish, because not everyone is a season ticket holder or go to every game they cant have an opinion?

what is it db10 says.... superfan alert

and again as for walking the walk....you havent have you, the banner hasnt been shown in public, so you've actually done nothing apart from post a picture online...not exactly walking the walk is it...the opposite in fact.

you guys say is acheived its goal, but did it? 99% of the press it got was negative. And it also went a very long way in showing that the sentiment didnt have the support you thought it would, if it did you would have had the "numbers" to unveil it...which leads me on to your next post swl....

Lovely to see so many who agree offering to help us hold it *rolls eyes*

Doest that just tell you something. You make that statement as a dig, a bit like the digs that were directed at aa23. You cant make posts like that without people picking up on the irony. "cheers for helping out ".....er why havent those who got the banner made actually shown it yet?

You cannot critise those who dont help, when you actaully done nothing yourself.

[frankbutcher]

Put a sock in it SWL... Leave the interviews to me.

[SWLGooner]

I'd find it difficult to be a contributor to this banner right now. On the one hand, you're a Gooner so you're hoping our good form continues. On the other, you've spent money on something you feel strongly about and, as long as the good form continues, the chance won't arise to unveil this banner. So surely there must be a small, infinitesimal part of you hoping that The Arsenal lose or go on a bad run. I can't quite get my head around that one. I could be wrong, but I'm just rationalising that on a very pragmatic level.

Frankbutcher says the downturn in form is inevitable, and maybe it is. But maybe it isn't. And anyway, what needs to happen for the timing to be right? We're not going to win the league - I think we can all agree on that. So what needs to happen? Does it get unveiled if we finish 2nd? 3rd? 4th? Lower? It seems to me that, as with most big turning points in life, there will always be reasons not to do something but, in the end, you're either going to do it or you aren't. This isn't intended to be overly critical - just lending you my tuppence.

Tony - while I can see how you could think that, we have all maintained that the best possible result is Wenger regaining his old self and leading us to the title.

As for the 'part of you wants us to lose', anyone who saw me celebrating the goals, especially Sunderland or Chelsea, would understand that isn't the case.

Bren - the banner has accomplished a large part of what it was intended to accomplish. Despite how you would like it to be, it has, and no number of wild generalisations can change that.

As Frank said, I for one think that the banner hasn't contributed to the run of form, it's entirely because we've had shit opponents and RVP among others is hitting serious form, but if you disagree, and you can think what you want, then you can buy me a pint ;)

[Number 5]

I can't understand people saying 'nothing' will change their mind on any issue at all,
It simply can't be true
events can change the mid of anyone who isn't pathological

You know what it would take to change my mind that Wenger is the right man for the job still?

A Champions League and Premiership double.

This season.

So yeah, those events will have me firmly back in the Wenger we trust camp.

[northbankbren]

Put a sock in it SWL... Leave the interviews to me.

I agree with Tarquin.

[SWLGooner]

Come on Number 5! Arsene built this club from the ground up and who could do a better job with 50 million to spend over the summer! Nobody! You forget ridiculous prices like 5 million for nobody Scott Parker, and 7 million for not-at-all-proven-Prem-quality Jose Enrique! Sort it out man!

[frankbutcher]

Put a sock in it SWL... Leave the interviews to me.

I agree with Tarquin.

[armchair]

Fraid I'm not understanding this banner thing at all....

Either you want Wenger to go or not? Which is it?
On the one hand we hear and read the banner - "Arsene .......its time to say goodbye" (which says to me you want him gone). On the other hand we hear stuff like "I'll hold my hands up if Wenger turns it round" Thats mixed messages and sounds very like what Red Member says - "give him till the end of the seasson, etc, etc..........."

For me he has to go. No question. Simple. No more waiting. Wenger Out. Thats it. Thats the message. Goodbye Arsene.
I thought (maybe wrongly) thats what the banner was for - to help push Wenger out? Was I wrong?

I dont understand about "timing" either. Surely the best time was when the media were all over it and we were in a truly awful shambles as a club?

Then theres "numbers". Dont understand that either. In the photo there were two holding it I think. Surely it takes only three or four to hold it up?
Maybe you were worried aboud AKB's giving jip or Stewards confiscating it? If it was AKB's that stopped you then you did "bottle it". If it was the stewards confiscating it, surely you'd have got it back to use another day?

Is it that you guys were worried about losing STs?

Anyway the notion that "the banner has achieved its purpose for now" doesn't make sense to me either I'm afraid.
Waiting for a bad run then producing it only to hide it again if we go on a good run is not the way to go either.

Maybe the banner should have read.................

Arsene
Thanks for the memories
If you turn it round we want you to stay. (*But we really dont know what qualifies turning it round)
If you dont turn it round (*see above) its time to say goodbye
Oh go on then we cant make up our minds so just stay then.

[northbankbren]

Arsene
Thanks for the memories
If you turn it round we want you to stay. (*But we really dont know what qualifies turning it round)
If you dont turn it round (*see above) its time to say goodbye
Oh go on then we cant make up our minds so just stay then.

[g88ner]

The banner has already done its job.

Look, I wouldn't dream of criticising the fact the banner wasn't displayed because you lot bought the thing and can decide if and when to show it.

However... to say it's already done it's job is surely a wind up?

It's had the odd bit of media attention and the club said they'd confiscate it.. but I very much doubt it's had ANY effect on Wenger, the board or the players. In fact, I'd imagine 99% of fans were totally unaware of the banner.

The club are used to the odd bit of bother and anger from fans, and I doubt this has worried them at all.

I do think you had a wonderful opportunity earlier in the season as even though there aren't lots of "Arsene out" fans around, I do think the vast majority were pissed off and willing to voice their anger at the club.

Maybe they would have collectively given you a much larger voice than you ever could have wished for? but by choosing to delay its unveiling, you've probably lost the thousands of 'swing voters' and limited yourself to the hardcore again.

Unless you wait until towards the end of the season again, when the anger will probably - but not definitely - resurface?

Who's to say the current upturn in form isn't a result of the questions the media coverage of this banner has raised?

Ridiculous, surely?

How can negative publicity that probably went totally unnoticed by Wenger, the players and 99% of the supporters have played such an important role in our upturn in form?

It's almost as if you're trying so hard to discredit Wenger and the players that you're actually willing to take some of the credit?? unbelievable.

Maybe it was the kick up AW's arse that he needed to knock the slippers and pipe off?

I'd be amazed if he took it seriously... or even noticed.

Wenger has dealt with boos, empty seats and media onslaughts about everything under the sun... so to think that an online banner with minimal support would "knock his slippers and pipe off" is a little over the top, isn't it?

Honestly, good luck lads - I too, sadly, think it's probably time Wenger went, but I'm a little concerned if you consider the banner a success at this point. It may be at some point in the future, but for now it's been nothing but a tiny ripple in a vast ocean.

Again, good luck.

[TeeCee]

Of course the banner 'did a job'.....not THE job ie: getting Wenger out but that was never going to happen and no-one in their right mind would think that. What its done is helped to raise awareness of fans discontentment and it helped to provoke comments in the AGM where for the first time Wenger admitted there was disquiet amongst the fans. For Wenger to even mention this shows that fan sentiment HAS been recognised by Wenger and the board even if they do bugger all about it!! It got a lot of publicity at the time it appeared ie: blogs, national newspapers, radio, even TV. It provoked discussion and that was exactly what it was meant to do. To say 99% of the publicity was bad is simply bollocks.

[g88ner]

Of course the banner 'did a job'.....not THE job ie: getting Wenger out but that was never going to happen and no-one in their right mind would think that. What its done is helped to raise awareness of fans discontentment and it helped to provoke comments in the AGM where for the first time Wenger admitted there was disquiet amongst the fans. For Wenger to even mention this shows that fan sentiment HAS been recognised by Wenger and the board even if they do bugger all about it!! It got a lot of publicity at the time it appeared ie: blogs, national newspapers, radio, even TV. It provoked discussion and that was exactly what it was meant to do. To say 99% of the publicity was bad is simply bollocks.

I assumed that was more to do with the empty seats and booing after every home game than anything to do with the banner?

I can totally understand the banner and won't criticise it... but I do think it's had very little impact up to now BUT it's a marathon, and there's still plenty of time for SWL, frankbutcher and co. to show their cards.

Good luck to them.

[Gunnersaurus]

Blimey, 71 pages, time to draw a line under it, the bottle went, it can't be re worded and it played no part in the change of fortune, stop the face saving exercises because no one buys it.

Maybe it was a good idea at the time but you didn't seize the moment, it is what it is unfortunately and trying to fool yourself to think you came out of it with any credit is bordering on Arsene strength deludedness (if that is even a word)

[DUFFMAN]

Exactly teecee

It was never gonna remove wenger on the strength of one discontented banner.
What it did do is at least show the blinkered one that not everyone is an unambitious sheep that will swallow every repetitive bullshit excuse that he trots out after another inept display.

Are you lot seriously suggesting that national press coverage (the mirror) and an interview on talkshite did not register on board level at least?
I'd be amazed if no one at the club didn't mention it.

As for it having an impact on results?
I'm not saying for one second we've won a few games because of the banner, just that it's existence has 'maybe' caused a few people to ask some questions.