Wardrobe malfunction!!!

[highburyJD]

check the definition of soldier barrie
and invasion

bombing places is not invading them
the airforce is not the army

we have an infantry to project power abroad
RAF and Navy are at least arguably defence

[OneBardGooner]

This nonsense about the poppy being "pro-war" or "political" is absolute shit. Are you standing here today, free of an overbearing police state interfering with your life? Yes? Are you scared that tomorrow you're going to have to go to a muddy, freezing, wet, disease-filled hole in the ground and kill-or-be-killed? No? Then shut the fuck up and appreciate the people who died so you can live your comfy life. End of.

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[OT02]

This nonsense about the poppy being "pro-war" or "political" is absolute shit. Are you standing here today, free of an overbearing police state interfering with your life? Yes? Are you scared that tomorrow you're going to have to go to a muddy, freezing, wet, disease-filled hole in the ground and kill-or-be-killed? No? Then shut the fuck up and appreciate the people who died so you can live your comfy life. End of.

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[RossieGooner]

Looks like this kinda thing will be an annual debate on here ....

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[Barriecuda]

check the definition of soldier barrie
and invasion

bombing places is not invading them
the airforce is not the army

we have an infantry to project power abroad
RAF and Navy are at least arguably defence

invasion
[in-vey-zhuhn]   Origin
in·va·sion    [in-vey-zhuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, especially by an army.
2. the entrance or advent of anything troublesome or harmful, as disease.
3. entrance as if to take possession or overrun: the annual invasion of the resort by tourists.
4. infringement by intrusion.

soldier
[sohl-jer]   Origin [sohl-jer] Show IPA
noun
1. a person who serves in an army; a person engaged in military service.
2. an enlisted man or woman, as distinguished from a commissioned officer: the soldiers' mess and the officers' mess.
3. a person of military skill or experience: George Washington was a great soldier.
4. a person who contends or serves in any cause: a soldier of the Lord.

No further comment needed on that point.

As for your comment about infantry/RAF/etc, you're just getting into semantics. If the Germans had attempted an actual landing (much like D-Day), it would have been infantry being used in conjunction with air and naval forces. Additionally, bombings constitute a significant "invasion" of a country's sovereignty.

At the end of the day, all branches of the military belong to the same government and the same people, and are used in varying degrees as appropriate to the circumstances.

If you really and honestly believe that "no single British soldier" has ever been motivated "to fight ever" as a result of "repelling invaders from their homeland", you are welcome to that belief. But it's certainly not verifiable, let alone correct.

[highburyJD]

I just typed soldier into google and first line I got was:
A soldier is a member of the land component of national armed forces

the battle of Britain was fought by the RAF

when do you think the last time Britain was invaded?
neither Spanish Armada nor German Luftwaffe stepped foot on our green and pleasant/grey unpleasant land

do you think British soldiers join/joined for different reasons to other countries soldiers?

[Herd]

I wear poppies because i chose to but im getting heartily sick of the poppy mafia that scream at anyone who doesn't and calls them unpatriotic.

We have a choice some choose not to ,thats OK

[SWLGooner]

I wear poppies because i chose to but im getting heartily sick of the poppy mafia that scream at anyone who doesn't and calls them unpatriotic.

We have a choice some choose not to ,thats OK

That I will also agree with -- I think that while people should show their respect for their troops, if they do it another way that's fine as well...

[highburyJD]

That I will also agree with -- I think that while people should show their respect for their troops, if they do it another way that's fine as well...

should? why should they
soldiers aren't drafted anymore, we have a small volunteer based professional army
I can understand the original basis
but nowadays nobody is drafted, and arguably more importantly we know what ptsd is.

Our taxes pay their wages - IMO they should be treated far better once they leave the services but I wouldn't automatically respect any cross section of society
teachers, doctors, nurses, aid workers all do good jobs - they can still be individual liabilities
people have to earn respec,t it shouldnt be expected

[Irish Gooner]

I wish some of you lot would shut up bleating about the flipping poppy,
The OP is constantly outraged when someone doesnt wear it and starts threads on here about it.

Wearing a flower one day a year makes no difference to soldiers who need help. Its also a bit ironic to complain about the Iraq war, Tony Blair and everything else, then demand people wear the poppy.

Its the usual crap you hear from thick Daily Mail reading northerners from England with facist views.

[SWLGooner]

Wearing a flower one day a year makes no difference to soldiers who need help. Its also a bit ironic to complain about the Iraq war, Tony Blair and everything else, then demand people wear the poppy.

Its the usual crap you hear from thick Daily Mail reading northerners from England with facist views.

Either you are being intentionally dense or you have completely missed the point of what the poppy stands for. Which is it?

[Irish Gooner]

Wearing a flower one day a year makes no difference to soldiers who need help. Its also a bit ironic to complain about the Iraq war, Tony Blair and everything else, then demand people wear the poppy.

Its the usual crap you hear from thick Daily Mail reading northerners from England with facist views.

Either you are being intentionally dense or you have completely missed the point of what the poppy stands for. Which is it?

Yep whatever.

Make another banner about it sure.

[SWLGooner]

Wearing a flower one day a year makes no difference to soldiers who need help. Its also a bit ironic to complain about the Iraq war, Tony Blair and everything else, then demand people wear the poppy.

Its the usual crap you hear from thick Daily Mail reading northerners from England with facist views.

Either you are being intentionally dense or you have completely missed the point of what the poppy stands for. Which is it?

Yep whatever.

Make another banner about it sure.

Of course it makes sense to complain about the Iraq war, Blair, etc and then wear the poppy, you are helping the soldiers, not Tony Blair.

And I'd like to know why you think that donating and wearing a poppy does not help soldiers?

[Irish Gooner]

Wearing a flower one day a year makes no difference to soldiers who need help. Its also a bit ironic to complain about the Iraq war, Tony Blair and everything else, then demand people wear the poppy.

Its the usual crap you hear from thick Daily Mail reading northerners from England with facist views.

Either you are being intentionally dense or you have completely missed the point of what the poppy stands for. Which is it?

Yep whatever.

Make another banner about it sure.

Of course it makes sense to complain about the Iraq war, Blair, etc and then wear the poppy, you are helping the soldiers, not Tony Blair.

And I'd like to know why you think that donating and wearing a poppy does not help soldiers?

Why wear the poppy now though? Why the big fuss now and not 5-10-15 years ago? Explain.

Its obviously being pushed by some agenda in gaining support for military action abroad. A tory agenda probably.

Its another flavour of the month topic, just in the last 3 years its gotten serious. In Ireland the Lily is the same sort of thing remembering war dead, but isnt really widespread. I think Rebel said he wears one.

It just makes no sense this poppy push. Trying to push people into doing it. They werent doing it 5 years ago (in numbers) so why now. There is something going on behind close doors there certainly.

[SWLGooner]

I'd say that it's because with the mounting numbers of war dead and the current wars, people are simply more aware of the service and risks that servicemen and women undertake for their countries