Arsenal will be the top in the prem - Could it be True?

Monkeymaw · Post by **Monkeymaw** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:29 pm

http://sport.uk.msn.com/football/arsena ... ier-league

Raymond Verheijen, whose CV includes stints at Chelsea, Manchester City and Barcelona, Russia, South Korea and Holland says an increasing emphasis on the finances of top sides will mean billionaire owners can no longer decide league titles. Currently Gary Speed's assistant at Wales, the Dutchman told MSN Sport Wenger will have the last laugh over his critics.

"Arsene Wenger only spends money that the club has. What you will see in the coming years is most Premier league clubs have so much debt they will have to release players. Arsene Wenger and Arsenal are already financially healthy...that is a big advantage compared to other teams," Verheijen explained.

He also said that the very strength of the Premier League could be its undoing as the concentration of resources at the top club means many great players aren't getting an outing.

"They (the top clubs) have better players on the bench than the opponent has on the pitch so overall that will reduce the quality of football."

Fifa changes that are to be implemented by 2012-13 means clubs are not able to spend more than they earn so the huge wage bills will have to be met from income generated and not by the handouts of billionaire owners. Some other leagues already have different financial rules and tax regulations from the English Premier league. This will lead to a shift in power away from traditional big spenders like Chelsea and Real Madrid, according to Verheijen.

"The German Bundesliga will become stronger and stronger because all the teams in Germany are financially healthy."

"The message to all Premier league clubs in the future is to develop a strong youth academy instead of just buying all these players" advises Verheijen.

Raymond Verheijen is the founding director of the UK Football Academy, an innovative organisation dedicated to the education of football coaches, staff members and practitioners. For further information or to book places on UKFA courses, visit: www.ukfootballacademy.net

http://sport.uk.msn.com/football/arsena ... ier-league

Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:35 pm

be nice, but with shitty having loses of 190 million+ i cant see how fair play can work...UEFA would kill Man U, Man C, Chavki, Barce, Real Mad and Bayern to name a few..clubs who spend stupid money....that will see a Euro league develop...IMHO

Rosie_titters · Post by **Rosie_titters** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:37 pm

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Monkeymaw · Post by **Monkeymaw** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:44 pm

Rosie_titters wrote:http://www.onlinegooner.com/phpbb2/view ... hp?t=32900

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To make it worse I wasn't sure how I ended up on the page and probably got there via the original link.

Need another beer

jedrow · Post by **jedrow** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:51 pm

I don't feel the Uefa sanctions will have any effect,FHA ski and the like will just sign over inflated sponsor deals for anything and everything by companies owned by the money bag owners so then it will count as Monet that they have generated.They could pay Â£100 million to sponsor a stand ,a bar area .a restaurant ect.they Uefa will not be able to stop them,and all clubs with rich owners will be left behind,us included

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:56 pm

UEFA... Piss up... Brewery....

Post by **Barriecuda** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:40 am

"The message to all Premier league clubs in the future is to develop a strong youth academy instead of just buying all these players" advises Verheijen.

Raymond Verheijen is the founding director of the UK Football Academy,

lol, Perhaps not intended but quite discrediting.

In all seriousness, I think the FIFA Fair Play rules are going to be a step in the right direction, but I can't see it revolutionizing the game and shifting the power balance.

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:34 am

We could if:

Usmanov took over the club

If Wenger resigned

If we paid more than Â£15m on a player

But none of the above will happen so we wont

Dan_85 · Post by **Dan_85** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:30 am

Ah yes, the "Arsenal will be kings of the world once FFP comes in, but until then please try to be patient" line

Must be all of about seven days since we heard that one.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:21 pm

we just have to hope that Wenger doesn't leave before FFP kicks in.

Robsy · Post by **Robsy** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:54 pm

To be fair to Raymond Verheijen he has more experience and inside contacts within the World of football than anyone on this forum. Its only his opinion, but his opinion probably could be considered to be slightly more reliable than most.

I hope he's right. Even if the new UEFA rules have only a 50% effect on Premiership clubs and their finances then things will be changed for the better.

Of course certain clubs will try and push the rules or even directly challenge them, all we can hope is that they don't succeed.

I - as I'm guessing most people on here will agree - have more respect for clubs who invest in youth, that develop talent and try to do things without just flashing the cash. I don't just mean Premiership clubs, but clubs all the way down the football spectrum including non-league.

One thing I certainly don't agree with, is the idea that Usmanov is any sort of knight in shining armour. I find him totally disagreeable and would never want anyone like that running The Arsenal.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:13 pm

The rule will never be properly implemented. Footballers have become the greediest sportsmen on the planet, these rules would mean wage caps etc.
The players and clubs will refuse to play by these rules, and if their hand is forced they will break away and set up an independant football assosciation.
This could lead to the brakdown of football as we know it, no more world cups or euro championships (at least not with the best players taking part).
With the players happy to take every summer off and abandon international football, for huge salaries in an independant league.
For these reasons, Fifa cannot afford to upset the big money clubs by fully implementing these rule changes, as it would ultimately lead to them losing any control they have over them.
Football would end up going the same way as boxing, with different assosciations and governing bodies presiding over the game.
So I fear the only way we can ever be "top" again is by joining in on the spending and that means Usmanov taking control and Wenger leaving.

kiwomya · Post by **kiwomya** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:16 pm

Robsy wrote:To be fair to Raymond Verheijen he has more experience and inside contacts within the World of football than anyone on this forum. Its only his opinion, but his opinion probably could be considered to be slightly more reliable than most.

I hope he's right. Even if the new UEFA rules have only a 50% effect on Premiership clubs and their finances then things will be changed for the better.

Of course certain clubs will try and push the rules or even directly challenge them, all we can hope is that they don't succeed.

I - as I'm guessing most people on here will agree - have more respect for clubs who invest in youth, that develop talent and try to do things without just flashing the cash. I don't just mean Premiership clubs, but clubs all the way down the football spectrum including non-league.

One thing I certainly don't agree with, is the idea that Usmanov is any sort of knight in shining armour. I find him totally disagreeable and would never want anyone like that running The Arsenal.

I'm of the same opinion. However, I don't feel like many on here agree with that.

Chelsea and Man City have caused the inflated prices and the crazy merry-go-round transfers for the last 5-6 years. A lot of fans seem to think that Arsenal should get involved in this in order to stay among the top sides. I disagree.

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:35 pm

Chavski looked like they were attempting to get their accounts in order
then went out and bought Torres and Luiz for nearly Â£70M

I assume they were advised they can ignore the FPP rules
if Citeh can "sponsor" themselves made up figures surely Roman can as well

the FPP rules might be effective in preventing robber baronesque leveraged deals as the interest payments inevitably make the acceptable wage bill much lower
so they are a start

in addition we need a parity based TV rights contract (Not just hitting Barca/Real - more people arent going to watch Wigan on telly if ManUre keep getting more money than them for being on telly more)
and a % of turnover based wage cap

Robsy · Post by **Robsy** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:49 pm

goonersid wrote:The rule will never be properly implemented. Footballers have become the greediest sportsmen on the planet, these rules would mean wage caps etc.
The players and clubs will refuse to play by these rules, and if their hand is forced they will break away and set up an independant football assosciation. This could lead to the brakdown of football as we know it, no more world cups or euro championships (at least not with the best players taking part).
With the players happy to take every summer off and abandon international football, for huge salaries in an independant league.
For these reasons, Fifa cannot afford to upset the big money clubs by fully implementing these rule changes, as it would ultimately lead to them losing any control they have over them.
Football would end up going the same way as boxing, with different assosciations and governing bodies presiding over the game.
So I fear the only way we can ever be "top" again is by joining in on the spending and that means Usmanov taking control and Wenger leaving.

Interesting point. I think your vision of the future might be partly correct, except...its been a fairly open secret that the Premier League (PL) has for sometime wanted to supersede the FA. They own the brand to the PL, but have been frustrated by the FA's governance/implementation of the rules of the game which directly effect the PL's image and public perception. However, the PL has its hands tied because FIFA will only recognise the FA as the governing body and would never recognise another organisation unless the FA had agreed to being taken over. Even then FIFA might not recognise any new body. So if FIFA failed, because players refused to play internationals anymore, then it would leave the FA open to being taken over/ignored.

For me the English FA have already started to ruin the game in this country, they are dinosaurs who have spent plenty of our money on white elephants and don't always seem to understand either the fans who pay for the game OR the players who play the game. If the FA failed and the PL took over, I wouldn't have a problem with it and I think it would improve the game in this country.

So don't fear for the game and never fear that the only way we can ever be "top" again is by spending freely and adopting a sugar-daddy. Change might benefit the game and in the meantime UEFA are going to try and force clubs hands into positive change.

AW leaving is one thing, but Usmanov taking control would be a step in a bad direction.

...BTW in case you didn't realise I don't really give a shit about international football anyone. Having followed England around the World at various major competitions, over several years, I can't stand either FIFA, UEFA or our own FA. IMO they are all money grabbing c*nts who only want to line their own pockets, but dress it up to the fans as something else.