As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
I also like point 4 on ticketing and putting the away fans upstairs.
interesting comments on "The Wonder of You" and "Good old Arsenal" too
personally I would scrap TWOY and replace with GOA and keep the rest of the build up as it is. I think the countdown with our clock at the moment is very good.
Thanks for mentioning my undeserved seating idea I also think that priority in relocation to the Clock End should also be given to those original Clockenders from 2005.
I get it that some red members n other fans would be pissed off, but to be fair it's the original Clockenders that made the Clock End what it was, not the clock.
clockender1 wrote:Good report - but what were the clubs responses ?
Thanks for mentioning my undeserved seating idea I also thinkmthat priority in relocation to the Clock End should also be given to those original Clockenders from 2005.
I get it that some red members n other fans would be pissed off, but to be fair it's the original Clockenders that made the Clock End what is was, not the clock.
I'm A red member, not that other bollix but I wouldn't be pissed off at all. Season ticket holders should have priority in my opinion.
Sorry that I jump into that..hope you don't get it wrong...
In the Bundesliga we have normally special pockets where the singing section and the most passionate fans are. Every stadium has it own characteristic http://www.bvb-fanabteilung.de/informat ... infos.html. You have to find out what works best in your stadium. For example in Dortmund we have the south stand on one side http://www.bvb.de/?%98Y%1B%E4%F4%9D bloc 10-15 and 80-84 and the corners which are very active bloc 35-39, 85-89. In Munich they have split it. They have the home support fans behind both! Goals in the lower rows. Both settings have advantage and disadvantages. For example in Munich the problem is that if you have a big away crowed they are above the home supporters and can turn them down with noise. It depends how big your active group will be and what the club is going to allow you. From being the first time at your stadium I would think as a first go I would pack everybody in the same area...you know better then everybody which one that should be. Good luck for your campaign!
BYW,
Thomas
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gunner_ace wrote:Here here. All great ideas, I especially like the away fans idea, i.e. shunting them upstairs. But for that to work then you have to think that seats upstairs cost on average £50 - £90 depending on the game, so is it really fair to expect say Wigan fans to pay that when they are charging us £25 this weekend for the reverse fixture?. The club would have to ofer those seats cheaper to be fair, and that would mean losing profit margins, meaning it will never happen.
On the clockend thing I would have to disagree.
Im in the yorkshire arsenal supporters clubs and we sit in that part of the ground (as do a few other affiliated clubs also) We are all allocated our seats in that part of the stadium due to the fact that no permanent season ticket holders sit there (so they can expand and contract the seating area with minimum fuss for away fans as each game dictates), as so we can bring large numbers and still all sit together.
Anyone who sits their currently will know we give the red section a run for their money at any given game and that part of the stadium is literally bouncing each game, i.e. the atmosphere is great their already so why change it? If you moved season tickets to that area it must not be at the expense of the supporter clubs.
So you disagree with a Clock End singing section because it would affect you and your fellow whippet and flat-cap wearers?? I'm sorry but I can't hear your lot singing anything apart from "stand up if you hate Tott'num". You're an embarassment. I'd rather see the Supporters Clubs moved to Upper Tier North Bank in the last few rows.
Well done Reg!!!!!!!
My my Frank that was quite a harsh rebuttal, are we on at the moment on something? So every single game you can pin point the exact location a stand up……. chant originates? You should work for the secret service with prince charles radar ears like those.
I didn’t say I was disagreeing with a clock end singing section, I said I don’t want season ticket holders moving their permanently at the cost of supporters clubs and regular red members as err red member pointed out. There is a core of non ST holders who also need to have a part of the stadium that we can call our own also.
p.s. The whippet and flat cap wearers get down to every game from Leeds and Donny which is a massive (and costly) effort in itself, whilst my arsenal day involves a 7am start, on the coach for 8am returning back to Leeds for 9:30 at night and home for 10:00, but hey if that makes us an embarrassment then suit yourself. I would however suggest it gives us entitlement to decent seats in the stadium better then row Z in the upper tier as you have so kindly suggested.
I think the safe standing and the movement of the Away fans is unlikely to be an issue the club will bat an eye at, but I do believe the pricing packages would be a great step forward, and I think the movement to continue to make a proper "Clock End" is perhaps the most important item of all.
At the end of the day, the Emirates is in its infancy and it belongs to the fans. We have to continue to fight to see it 'grow up' into something we're proud of. Highbury's legacy wasn't built up over night either.
Barriecuda wrote:A well-reasoned and verbalized argument.
I think the safe standing and the movement of the Away fans is unlikely to be an issue the club will bat an eye at, but I do believe the pricing packages would be a great step forward, and I think the movement to continue to make a proper "Clock End" is perhaps the most important item of all.
At the end of the day, the Emirates is in its infancy and it belongs to the fans. We have to continue to fight to see it 'grow up' into something we're proud of. Highbury's legacy wasn't built up over night either.
+1, the emirates , grove, bowl, teacup or whatever you want to call it, is not highbury buts it's own stadium that will soon enough form it's own traditions, sections, chants and superstitions with the fans. It will come.
gunner_ace wrote:There is a core of non ST holders who also need to have a part of the stadium that we can call our own also.
you are welcome to the East & West Lowers & the North Bank then, but not The Clock End.
Most if not all Clockenders like myself have had their season tickets since pre-1996, and we made it the special place it was (even Bergkamp said we were loudest), so we should have first priority over newer or more occasional fans, if the club wants the atmosphere of it back.
gunner_ace wrote:There is a core of non ST holders who also need to have a part of the stadium that we can call our own also.
you are welcome to the East & West Lowers & the North Bank then, but not The Clock End.
Most if not all Clockenders like myself have had their season tickets since pre-1996, and we made it the special place it was (even Bergkamp said we were loudest), so we should have first priority over newer or more occasional fans, if the club wants the atmosphere of it back.
+1
IMO Supporters Clubs get a ridiculously good deal with the Club. They get preferential treatment for many hard-to-get-to away games, simply because they support us from another part of the country. Take Leyton Orient away last season. Most of the tickets floating around for sale in the away end were from Supporters Clubs. I can guarantee you that a large proportion of Supporters Clubs tickets end up being touted.
They take priority over long-term season ticket holders. Why?
I don't get it either, maybe it's the club know that as they give the SCs tickets the SC members will blindly follow them, or at least will publicly, and thus provide a conveniently biased 'sample of fan support' for whatever piece of bullshit they feel like spouting next
Well done Reg but I can't help but feel that the club's real attitude is summed up with this sentence...
We were very limited with our time, the meeting started late (not our fault) and finished earlier than we anticipated especially as we'd agreed an agenda in advance and were therefore unable to cover everything.
Now I'm not normally the cynical type but what can really be achieved when they can't even be bothered to listen to Arsenal fans at a pre-arranged meeting, for the time needed to get your points across?
Isn't it near to the truth is that they are paying lip service to these supporters groups in order to try and keep a lid on any likely action resorting from fan dissatisfaction? If not, why did they fight initially against giving Arsenal supporters a specific section; then refuse to make it any larger and now are appearing reluctant to put good, logical proposals in place that will ultimately end up helping both the fans and the team?
It's all well and good them boasting about the 'Arsenalisation' of the stadium by sticking a few paintings here, some flags there and the Clock back in it's rightful place - and even all this was only done after constant urging from the fans - but it's superficial compared to the effects implementing some of those items on your list would have.
Yet the representatives of the club not only can't see those things for themselves, they can't even be bothered to attended a meeting for the sufficient length of time necessary to allow you to put the ideas across to them!!
But, I couldn't see anything to do with the 7 cup credits that get tagged onto the season ticket price, I would prefer if the club would put an 'opt out' option on this, I don't know if any other club do this, why should we?
I also think that priority in relocation to the Clock End should also be given to those original Clockenders from 2005.I'm sorry but I can't hear your lot singing anything apart from "stand up if you hate Tott'num". You're an embarassment. I'd rather see the Supporters Clubs moved to Upper Tier North Bank in the last few rows.
