As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
g88ner wrote:
Alex James might give you a knee in the groin for that, Frank!
And Bob Wilson might have a tear in his eye, too.... is that what you want?
Gunnersaurus wants to knee me in the groin too. That doesn't make him a legend either. It makes him something else that is located in the groin area though...
And what about Ted Drake - when is comes to legends of this great football club, Drake has to be up there.
I know none of us where around during our glory years of the 30s, but that was our golden era, and people like Chapman, Drake, James and Bastin are legends of our legendary era.
Fair enough - Drake, James and Wilson would also go on my list.
And then there's Eboue! without his comedy, these dark dark days would have been pitch black.
A true legend
(Sorry, I went too far )
Eboue should have been buried under the Emirates when they built it. Just like that horse that was under Highbury for 90-odd years.
Not getting involved with anymore Cesc drama. Miss him as a player, but his heart is fully with Barcelona now and his comments don't interest me.
Will readdress the subject in a few years.
How could anyone possibly expect him to be overly concerned with Arsenal right now though? They just won a massive El Classico, in which he was in the starting XI. Arsenal who?
He's moved on, I've moved on. Wish him all the best; won't forget what he did for us.
frankbutcher wrote:Big difference between "great player" and "legend". This Club has had no more than 15 "legends" in it's lifetime IMO.
Henry
Adams
Bergkamp
Wrighty
Vieira
Rocastle
Brady
McLintock
Armstrong
Charlie George
Bastin
Eddie Hapgood
George Graham - player/manager
Wenger
Herbert Chapman
Am gonna stick my head on the chopping block here (nothing new there then ) but am gonna ask why Rocky is in that list ? I absolutely loved Rocky as a omegrown player who had Arsenal running through his veins and who cried the day he left the club but did he do enough on the pitch to warrant being called a legend ? Yes he played with real passion (but then so did ray parlour) and yes he was skillful and scored some great goals and it was an absolute tragedy that he left this world at such a young age but that for me doesnt equate to legend status (please dont fleece me )
frankbutcher wrote:Big difference between "great player" and "legend". This Club has had no more than 15 "legends" in it's lifetime IMO.
Henry
Adams
Bergkamp
Wrighty
Vieira
Rocastle
Brady
McLintock
Armstrong
Charlie George
Bastin
Eddie Hapgood
George Graham - player/manager
Wenger
Herbert Chapman
Am gonna stick my head on the chopping block here (nothing new there then ) but am gonna ask why Rocky is in that list ? I absolutely loved Rocky as a omegrown player who had Arsenal running through his veins and who cried the day he left the club but did he do enough on the pitch to warrant being called a legend ? Yes he played with real passion (but then so did ray parlour) and yes he was skillful and scored some great goals and it was an absolute tragedy that he left this world at such a young age but that for me doesnt equate to legend status (please dont fleece me )
I would say he is a legend for what he symbollised. He was young, talented, had real balls, loved The Arsenal and seemed like one of us.
frankbutcher wrote:Big difference between "great player" and "legend". This Club has had no more than 15 "legends" in it's lifetime IMO.
Henry
Adams
Bergkamp
Wrighty
Vieira
Rocastle
Brady
McLintock
Armstrong
Charlie George
Bastin
Eddie Hapgood
George Graham - player/manager
Wenger
Herbert Chapman
Am gonna stick my head on the chopping block here (nothing new there then ) but am gonna ask why Rocky is in that list ? I absolutely loved Rocky as a omegrown player who had Arsenal running through his veins and who cried the day he left the club but did he do enough on the pitch to warrant being called a legend ? Yes he played with real passion (but then so did ray parlour) and yes he was skillful and scored some great goals and it was an absolute tragedy that he left this world at such a young age but that for me doesnt equate to legend status (please dont fleece me )
I would say he is a legend for what he symbollised. He was young, talented, had real balls, loved The Arsenal and seemed like one of us.
And I agree totally with your summation of Rocky but still dont feel it is fair to include him in the list of legends ahead of others based on the above
frankbutcher wrote:Big difference between "great player" and "legend". This Club has had no more than 15 "legends" in it's lifetime IMO.
Henry
Adams
Bergkamp
Wrighty
Vieira
Rocastle
Brady
McLintock
Armstrong
Charlie George
Bastin
Eddie Hapgood
George Graham - player/manager
Wenger
Herbert Chapman
Am gonna stick my head on the chopping block here (nothing new there then ) but am gonna ask why Rocky is in that list ? I absolutely loved Rocky as a omegrown player who had Arsenal running through his veins and who cried the day he left the club but did he do enough on the pitch to warrant being called a legend ? Yes he played with real passion (but then so did ray parlour) and yes he was skillful and scored some great goals and it was an absolute tragedy that he left this world at such a young age but that for me doesnt equate to legend status (please dont fleece me )
I would say he is a legend for what he symbollised. He was young, talented, had real balls, loved The Arsenal and seemed like one of us.
And I agree totally with your summation of Rocky but still dont feel it is fair to include him in the list of legends ahead of others based on the above
I know what you're saying. But he is a legend though, isn't he? It's difficult to define the criteria of a "legend" as there all different types of legend.
augie wrote:Shocking level of disrespect to a player that served us so well for a number of years and it both saddens me and embarasses me tbh
Couldn't agree more, mate
It's like the mafia on here. We demand respect and loyalty from our "family" and they'll be treated like sons whilst they're important - but, if they want out, the gloves are off and the venomous OG mafia will stab them in the back and even have them "sleeping with the fishes" before they've had time to clean out their locker
Loyalty? pfft - some on here need to practice what they preach!
i agree with g88ner's and augie's point, but we must not forget as well that this is football. football means loving a player that plays well for your team even if he is a huge *word censored* (we all sang songs for nasri, adebayor, etc) and the moment he doesn't play for your team anymore, then he is a *word censored*. simple as that, really.
i honestly think football is a bit related to our more 'primitive instincts' of having our clan and wishing to beat the hell out of the opposition - even if the bones have been swapped for a football and rules. it's where we can escape from our boring lives and call whoever we wish a fucking *word censored*. lucas from liverpool, for example, is a top lad, very likeable kid. but he plays for liverpool, so fuck the *word censored*!
cesc was a marvelous player, whenever i watch that goal against the spuds... fucking hell, what a player. but his heart belongs somewhere else, and for that, he's not one of us, he belongs to the other 'clan'...
1989 wrote:
RvP is a legend as far as I'm concerned regardless of whether he stays or goes.
What has RvP done to be any more of a 'legend' than Cesc?
Robin is a class act who has served us so well and never involved himself with tedious will he won't he sagas or flirted with other clubs like a cheap whore whilst he was still employed by us. He's a proper leader too, a proper fighter who I've yet to see give less than 100% in any game. Same can't be said for that little twerp who was more interested in embracing his future team mates than fighting for us when we last played the diving twats.
1989 wrote:
RvP is a legend as far as I'm concerned regardless of whether he stays or goes.
What has RvP done to be any more of a 'legend' than Cesc?
Robin is a class act who has served us so well and never involved himself with tedious will he won't he sagas or had a continuous never-ending flirtation with other clubs like a cheap whore whilst he was still employed by us. He's a proper leader too, a proper fighter who I've yet to see give less than 100% in any game. Same can't be said for that little twerp who was more interested in embracing his future team mates than fighting for us when we last played the diving twats.
frankbutcher wrote:Big difference between "great player" and "legend". This Club has had no more than 15 "legends" in it's lifetime IMO.
Henry
Adams
Bergkamp
Wrighty
Vieira
Rocastle
Brady
McLintock
Armstrong
Charlie George
Bastin
Eddie Hapgood
George Graham - player/manager
Wenger
Herbert Chapman
Am gonna stick my head on the chopping block here (nothing new there then ) but am gonna ask why Rocky is in that list ? I absolutely loved Rocky as a omegrown player who had Arsenal running through his veins and who cried the day he left the club but did he do enough on the pitch to warrant being called a legend ? Yes he played with real passion (but then so did ray parlour) and yes he was skillful and scored some great goals and it was an absolute tragedy that he left this world at such a young age but that for me doesnt equate to legend status (please dont fleece me )
I would say he is a legend for what he symbollised. He was young, talented, had real balls, loved The Arsenal and seemed like one of us.
And I agree totally with your summation of Rocky but still dont feel it is fair to include him in the list of legends ahead of others based on the above
I know what you're saying. But he is a legend though, isn't he? It's difficult to define the criteria of a "legend" as there all different types of legend.
Agree with Butcher 100%. It can be down to personal opinion but legend status is not just about what a player did on the pitch. Sure, that is part of it but IMHO you must also look at his impact with the fans, his loyalty to the club, his effort, his cultural status in the history of the club.
For me Rocky is a legend but Cesc is not.
Cesc was a brilliant player but he wasn't part of a great team, he was never really "one of us", he was always a Barcawhore. Nothing against him and wish he still played for us but he's gone and I'm over it.
Rocky IS a legend because he was a fantastic player, he was part of the legendary 89 and 91 league winning teams, he interacted on a "same level" basis with us the fans, he got into fights against Norwich and the Manc filth, he cried when we sold him, he is very much a part of the Arsenal culture of the late 80's and early 90's and he died far too young.
So on that basis DB10, you are saying that chippy brady wasnt a legend either right ? I mean he was a great player that didnt play in a great team and I dont recall him interacting with us fans any more than cesc has
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Yes he played with real passion (but then so did ray parlour) and yes he was skillful and scored some great goals and it was an absolute tragedy that he left this world at such a young age but that for me doesnt equate to legend status 
