Chavs vs Mercenaries

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:45 pm

gunner_ace wrote:but I just cant fathom or have time for people who make comments like there is nil chance of this team winning the league or you need to get your head checked if you think arsenal can win the league. Why do you bother supporting Arsenal if that?s what you think?

All im saying is that we are on a totally amazing sequence of results which none of us predicted in September [/quote]

actually I did predict this run of results on this forum back at the beginning of October, but I also said that it wouldn't result in us being higher than 6th at Christmas. If you look at the fixtures in the next 2 weeks you will see why I said no higher than 6th. I then think we would be able to kick on and get 4th place by the end of the season.

my only slight concern on this is that we currently have no fit fullbacks which is starting to hamper our attacking ability, but I still think we will finish top 4.
The title ?

Good luck.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:48 pm

rodders999 wrote:
Red Member wrote: but not even I would go as far to say that we have any chance of winning the league this season.
So you reckon we've no chance of winning the league but you fancy us to win the Champions League? Fucking helmet

obviously we can't win the league because of the start we made.
however we have not had those problems in Europe, easily won our group and should have a reasonable path through to the QFs. Yes of course we can still win the CL. Why not?

Post by **Chippy** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:53 pm

kiwomya wrote:
Read the accounts where?

How long does the club have left to pay off the stadium? you don't think we've got much money tied up in that?

You mentioned spending 50M on two players. If by what you are saying is that we only have 50M then it's certainly not the best idea to blow all of your money and have nothing in reserve - another injury elsewhere in the squad and you are fucked again. That was my point.

The accounts are on the club website. We are easily financing the stadium. Think of it like a mortgage. We can afford far more than Â£50m without any serious threat to the club's finances.

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:02 pm

Red Member wrote:
rodders999 wrote:
Red Member wrote: but not even I would go as far to say that we have any chance of winning the league this season.
So you reckon we've no chance of winning the league but you fancy us to win the Champions League? Fucking helmet
obviously we can't win the league because of the start we made.
however we have not had those problems in Europe, easily won our group and should have a reasonable path through to the QFs. Yes of course we can still win the CL. Why not?

+1, I agree with RM, the scousers were fucking shite when they won it in 05....

gunner_ace · Post by **gunner_ace** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:36 pm

SWLGooner wrote:
Red Member wrote:
rodders999 wrote:
Red Member wrote: but not even I would go as far to say that we have any chance of winning the league this season.
So you reckon we've no chance of winning the league but you fancy us to win the Champions League? Fucking helmet
obviously we can't win the league because of the start we made.
however we have not had those problems in Europe, easily won our group and should have a reasonable path through to the QFs. Yes of course we can still win the CL. Why not?
+1, I agree with RM, the scousers were fucking shite when they won it in 05....

+2 That was my other alternative prediction. The **** finish in 4th a point above us in 5th, but then we go and win the CL and get entered in it next year at their expense. ROFL.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:40 pm

gunner_ace wrote:
SWLGooner wrote:
Red Member wrote:
rodders999 wrote:
Red Member wrote: but not even I would go as far to say that we have any chance of winning the league this season.
So you reckon we've no chance of winning the league but you fancy us to win the Champions League? Fucking helmet
obviously we can't win the league because of the start we made.
however we have not had those problems in Europe, easily won our group and should have a reasonable path through to the QFs. Yes of course we can still win the CL. Why not?
+1, I agree with RM, the scousers were fucking shite when they won it in 05....
+2 That was my other alternative prediction. The y**s finish in 4th a point above us in 5th, but then we go and win the CL and get entered in it next year at their expense. ROFL.

That would be the ultimate

Post by **brazilianGOONER** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:00 pm

SWLGooner wrote:
Red Member wrote:
rodders999 wrote:
Red Member wrote: but not even I would go as far to say that we have any chance of winning the league this season.
So you reckon we've no chance of winning the league but you fancy us to win the Champions League? Fucking helmet
obviously we can't win the league because of the start we made.
however we have not had those problems in Europe, easily won our group and should have a reasonable path through to the QFs. Yes of course we can still win the CL. Why not?
+1, I agree with RM, the scousers were fucking shite when they won it in 05....

absolutely. we have far more chances of winning the CL than the league.

let's not forget: we are very good in europe. almost every year we beat one of europe's top clubs (we beat teams like milan and barcelona with our current crop of "shit") and even though we always end up losing, i can't see why we can't turn that around. the way we play football is better for europe than for the league.

we can win the CL. imo we won't, but we surely can depending on the draws. like SWL says, liverpoo won with a shite team.

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:07 pm

Chippy wrote:
kiwomya wrote:
Read the accounts where?

How long does the club have left to pay off the stadium? you don't think we've got much money tied up in that?

You mentioned spending 50M on two players. If by what you are saying is that we only have 50M then it's certainly not the best idea to blow all of your money and have nothing in reserve - another injury elsewhere in the squad and you are fucked again. That was my point.
The accounts are on the club website. We are easily financing the stadium. Think of it like a mortgage. We can afford far more than Â£50m without any serious threat to the club's finances.

Well exactly...the debt was hugely reduced. The interest on the 17 year debt is more than adequately covered. 50m is constantly regenerated by the operating cash that the club generates each year - over 30m due to the likes of us mainly (as Gazidis has failed to deliver anything more than inflationary growth in commercial incomes).

This is what businesses do - generate cash and reinvest it into their core activities. CEOs lose their jobs for sitting on shareholders money and not reinvesting it. Shareholders invest their money in businesses for growth - if they wanted to invest it into a business that earned 2% interest they'd stick it all in a high street bank account and there wouldn't be such a thing as an openly traded market. Do you have any investment plans of your own - would you be happy that a fund manager earned you 2% per annum. Of course not, you'd want those business to be growing succesfully and getting growth of 4-5x that rate. Kroenke can not simply want his total investment to be worth the same in 5 years as it was when he bought in

Honestly read the accounts - they are in the public domain.

Look at the operating cash flow generated, how many times it covers the interest paid on the stadium finance, the fall in net debt over the past 2 years.....and those numbers were before the transfer window in the Summer which saw cash reserves increase further

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:19 pm

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... nt-to-buy-

Even the GIC admits how financially strong we are.

Hopefully Stan has been not so silent and had words to the effect "if you think I bought this club to watch you lot earn me intrest like a cash ISA then f++k off"

Then again, maybe its more shit and we'll buy nobody again but hold the moral high ground whilst we wait for those white knights at UEFA to stumble over themselves trying to work out how to read a set of accounts and implement a 'one-size' fits all rule across multiple countries

Post by **brazilianGOONER** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:22 pm

SteveO 35 wrote:http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... nt-to-buy-

Even the GIC admits how financially strong we are.

Hopefully Stan has been not so silent and had words to the effect "if you think I bought this club to watch you lot earn me intrest like a cash ISA then f++k off"

Then again, maybe its more shit and we'll buy nobody again but hold the moral high ground whilst we wait for those white knights at UEFA to stumble over themselves trying to work out how to read a set of accounts and implement a 'one-size' fits all rule across multiple countries

remember when he said we could buy any player in the world bar 5 or 6??

and we ended up with chamakh on a free!

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:49 pm

SteveO 35 wrote:The club can easily afford to spend 50m in January. That isn't a number that I've just reached for from some shit www.talkwankabouttransfers.com forum or a tabloid. Read the accounts - look at the debt reduction, look at the amount of interest cover that is currently being generated and the cash at bank figure. That cash is earning 2%.

If we signed Benzema and Goetze that would be the best part, if not all, of the 50m gone, but my god would that make a huge difference come the end of season run-in.

this is nonsense, cash in the bank does not mean we can 'easily afford' a player

Benzema is on somewhere close to Â£150k a week - google said Â£7.5M per year
there is a lot of interest in Goetze I think it's fair to assume if he signed for over Â£25M he would want wages north of Â£100k per week, let's call that Â£5.5 PA
Walcott and RVP are established first XI players who would expect to match the top earners. If Wilshere can play as well as we all hope for the 2nd half of the season (and as well as some of us hope in the summer) his agent will be rightly demanding parity. TV has just signed a new contract but he would think why am I 5th highest earner, Song's agent would then whisper the same. Mertesacker has twelvetyhundred German caps and so on and so on.

There's nothing 'easy' about swapping our total surplus cash for two players at all. It would in fact create lots of problems.
In order to make those sort of big signings we need to get Bendtner, Vela, Chamakh, Squillaci, Arshavin and Denilson off the wage bill
(hopefully getting at least Â£20M in)

Can't see that happening (if even half of it does Gazidis deserves a raise!)

I don't know how long Joel Campbell will take to get a work permit or how far Benik Afobe is from recovering - I imagine how much he rates those guys will effect Wenger's thinking.

Somebody mentioned Lahm on twitter - that would be awesome, if Bayern can be hit I would love any of Lahm, Schweinsteiger and Muller.

Obviously a striker is a priority. If I could choose I would say David Villa.

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:10 pm

highburyJD wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:The club can easily afford to spend 50m in January. That isn't a number that I've just reached for from some shit www.talkwankabouttransfers.com forum or a tabloid. Read the accounts - look at the debt reduction, look at the amount of interest cover that is currently being generated and the cash at bank figure. That cash is earning 2%.

If we signed Benzema and Goetze that would be the best part, if not all, of the 50m gone, but my god would that make a huge difference come the end of season run-in.
this is nonsense, cash in the bank does not mean we can 'easily afford' a player

Benzema is on somewhere close to Â£150k a week - google said Â£7.5M per year
there is a lot of interest in Goetze I think it's fair to assume if he signed for over Â£25M he would want wages north of Â£100k per week, let's call that Â£5.5 PA
Walcott and RVP are established first XI players who would expect to match the top earners. If Wilshere can play as well as we all hope for the 2nd half of the season (and as well as some of us hope in the summer) his agent will be rightly demanding parity. TV has just signed a new contract but he would think why am I 5th highest earner, Song's agent would then whisper the same. Mertesacker has twelvetyhundred German caps and so on and so on.

There's nothing 'easy' about swapping our total surplus cash for two players at all. It would in fact create lots of problems.
In order to make those sort of big signings we need to get Bendtner, Vela, Chamakh, Squillaci, Arshavin and Denilson off the wage bill
(hopefully getting at least Â£20M in)

Can't see that happening (if even half of it does Gazidis deserves a raise!)

I don't know how long Joel Campbell will take to get a work permit or how far Benik Afobe is from recovering - I imagine how much he rates those guys will effect Wenger's thinking.

Somebody mentioned Lahm on twitter - that would be awesome, if Bayern can be hit I would love any of Lahm, Schweinsteiger and Muller.

Obviously a striker is a priority. If I could choose I would say David Villa.

Nice how you call it nonsense, and then go on to point out precisely how it can be done. The 50m has already been boosted by the Summer transfer profit (something I pointed out and you have ignored) and supplemented by an additional few months positive cash flow.

The published accounts would not have accounted for the drop in wages of Fabregas and Nasri as two of the higher earning players either.

Do you think all of the players at Manchester City were happy to see Yaya Toure come in on 220k per week? Do you think even with their level of resource that the management said "OK, then Gareth Barry you're an England regular, we'll automatically pay you the same as him"

Andrey Arshavin is one of our highest earning players and Nicklas Bendtner doubled his wages on his last deal. If these halfwits can't accept that a better quality player coming in will dwarf their earnings then tough shit

Name me a top class club i.e. one of Europe's elite that doesn't have a imbalanced pay structure. How would you say Rooney's last contract measures up against half of the United team? And do you think that Sturridge on the back of a decent run this season is earning the same wages as Torres?

If Benzema came into Arsenal on say 130-150k per week, there is only player on current form and level of quality that would even have the right to match it and that's Van Persie. To suggest that Walcott and Vermaelen have done enough to earn that amount is what I'd call ridiculous, whilst lets remind ourselves that Jack Wilshere has one year under his belt. When those 3 have proven to be top CL class for three to four seasons then they'd have a right to parity with the Benzema's of this world

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:19 pm

sorry - nonsense is harsh
I'm quibbling with the statement it's 'easy'
I fear it's gonna be far from easy shipping out our overpaid dross

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:20 pm

highburyJD wrote:sorry - nonsense is harsh
I'm quibbling with the statement it's 'easy'
I fear it's gonna be far from easy shipping out our overpaid dross

highburyJD · Post by **highburyJD** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:27 pm

no no no sorry Chuck
don't take the other glove off
I didnae mean it
aaaaaaaaa
*cries like little girl*