Out of touch

[Red Member]

why do all the anti wenger types only come out after we dont win though?
at Blackburn they are on Kean's back every match.

even i thought it was funny a couple of weeks back when some people thought we could win the league when Chelsea beat City

how many people now are still pleased that Chelsea won that game?

[Robsy]

Wenger said finishing 4th is the equivilent of winning a trophy so calling it horseshit is a bit wide of the mark No he didn't, go find the quote. Then go and look at the transcript of the interview. He was asked a question in which the journo suggested it was like that, he agreed in response.

One of the best thing's Arsenal have done this season is make Arsenal player free for supporters. You can read the papers and now go and watch the actual press conference, then realise how out of context some of his quotes are.

The problem with our transfer policy is that in the vast majority of cases when you pay peanuts you get monkeys and we sure as hell have a too many of them - basically it is the equivilent of selling your merc and replacing it with a lada

We have had some shit on the books. AW isn't the only Arsenal manager to sign shit. He has also signed some great players. His panic buys this September were great. Panic buys, yes. But also really good buys.

Point about our wage structure isnt horseshit and is another fact that wenger loves to speak publicly about

Okay, no facts exist, so we'll just disagree.

Lastly what fcuking explaining do you need re our extortinate ticket prices ? It is an accepted fact that we have the dearest prices in world football and while that might be partially acceptable if that money was being re-invested in quality players that clearly isnt the case and we are sure as hell well entitled to be well fcuked off at these prices

'accepted fact'? Right, I pay £42 a game, that is a lot of money. But other members of my family pay more to watch the spuds. And their season ticket doesn't include any cups, and when they buy cup tickets they're normally more expensive. I've heard chelski tickets aren't cheap either. I agree that ticket prices should be cheaper. I wasn't happy with the 6.5% rise. But, unless they bring back standing it aren't gonna change.

[Robsy]

Robsy, about 5 of us who are all forum regulars and all ST holders drink in the Pins very often before and after home games, we all want Wenger out ASAP, if you are up for a beer and a cordial discussion/debate please do PM me...

I'll probably be in the Pins before QPR. I'll PM you when I know for defo.

[richpye]

I never hear who should replace Wenger though

how about AVB?

And this is one of my main points. I am probably classed as an AKB C*nt because I don't think he should be dragged naked attached to the back of a Ford Ranger through the state of Arkansas, but I have never heard a sensible suggestion as an alternative to Wenger.

So far the main suggestions have been:

AVB - Working well that one so far
Guardiola - Yeah, of course we have a chance

I hate to bring up the late great USMartin, but I am fairly certain the current chief executive is our main problem as he is a commercial man, not a football man i.e. Wenger has no-one to manage him.

Secondly, what needs to happen, is we must get a good replacement for Pat Rice. I would love someone like Owen Coyle, but not sure if this is really viable.

And whilst I do not possess the means to attend Arsenal matches either home or away, I know plenty of people who do and to suggest that they only started following Arsenal in 1998 or have no idea of the pre-Wenger era is just insulting to a lot of people.

Saying that, I do believe everyone is entitled to their opinion

[Sutch]

It's true, when you next go to a game at AG, take a look around you. You will see AKB *word censored* everywhere, they sit in silence all game long politely clapping, these are the people that started "supporting" 1998 onwards. I was next to one at United at home in 2008, she started reading some book after about ten minutes of the game. The only time they actually make any noise is when they sing their precious One AW song

[donaldo]

I've spent a few years reading and contributing to discussions on this forum and over time I've changed my opinions on this and that when it comes to Arsenal stuff.

But recently some of the opinions and ideas shouted out on here are so far removed from the views of people I sit with/around; some of the opinions seem completely blinded by personal vendetta; some of the opinions are no more based on fact or reason than pure hatred of our current manager.
I would like to know where people drink before/after the games, because I haven't heard much in the way of anti-Wenger stuff in the pubs I drink in - 12 pins, blackstock, tollingtons, triangle.

So, I am beginning to think that this forum is becoming out of touch with home fans. Maybe this is why there so much shouting on here, but so little action.

6 years without a trophy Fact
Ambition only to finish 4th Fact
Best players leave every summer Fact
Sell players for huge fees buy cheap Fact
Pay shit players massive wages Fact
Charge highest ticket prices in the world Fact

Its you who are out of touch mate

6 years without a trophy - Fact
Ambition only to finish 4th - horseshit dressed as Fact
Best players leave every summer - Sometimes
Sell players for huge fees buy cheap - not sure what the problem is here, what you want to buy big and sell cheap?
Pay shit players massive wages - horseshit dressed as Fact, you don't know the actual wage stucture
Charge highest ticket prices in the world - please explain.

Are you related to Red Member?

No i dont want us to sign big like other "big" clubs in Europe do.I want us to sign cheap like Squillaci Chamakh and Park.And bring old players back like Campbell Lehmann and Henry

Our wage bill is £110m with our best paid player on £90k a week.Work it out.Why do you think we cant get rid of Bendtner Denilson Almunia and Diaby?because no one can afford their wages

Highest ticket prices- You are having a laugh arent you?

[1989]

Jurgen Klopp
Unai Emery
Paul Lambert

All young managers capable of doing better than Wenger.

Alternatively you could go for older experienced ones with high pedigree like Hiddink, van Gaal or Loew.

Could also go internal and give Bouldie a crack at it.

Plenty of options out there.

Wenger is not the only man who can lead AFC.

[Robsy]

It's true, when you next go to a game at AG, take a look around you. You will see AKB c**ts everywhere, they sit in silence all game long politely clapping, these are the people that started "supporting" 1998 onwards. I was next to one at United at home in 2008, she started reading some book after about ten minutes of the game. The only time they actually make any noise is when they sing their precious One AW song

Okay. I see a lot of people not singing. But I saw that at Highbury, especially in the East Upper. I see kids and tourists, but I saw that in Highbury as well.

I think all you can do is stick with your mates and try to persuade people around you that creating an atmosphere can be fun.

But you're not interested in doing that, you seem happy to aim your hatred at anyone who doesn't fit your ideal gooner fan. Unfortunately people can't do much about when they were born and AW has been our manager for 15 years. There will always new fans, its not fair to berate them for supporting the current manager, they know nothing else.

[Sutch]

Whatever say that to the thousands of other people who feel the same.

[Babatunde]

I never hear who should replace Wenger though

how about AVB?

And this is one of my main points. I am probably classed as an AKB C*nt because I don't think he should be dragged naked attached to the back of a Ford Ranger through the state of Arkansas, but I have never heard a sensible suggestion as an alternative to Wenger.

So far the main suggestions have been:

AVB - Working well that one so far
Guardiola - Yeah, of course we have a chance

I hate to bring up the late great USMartin, but I am fairly certain the current chief executive is our main problem as he is a commercial man, not a football man i.e. Wenger has no-one to manage him.

Secondly, what needs to happen, is we must get a good replacement for Pat Rice. I would love someone like Owen Coyle, but not sure if this is really viable.

And whilst I do not possess the means to attend Arsenal matches either home or away, I know plenty of people who do and to suggest that they only started following Arsenal in 1998 or have no idea of the pre-Wenger era is just insulting to a lot of people.

Saying that, I do believe everyone is entitled to their opinion

Right.

So what you're saying, is that there isn't a single manager available anywhere in Europe, who could do better than to qualify in 4th position, with a wage bill approaching £120 million, and a transfer budget of over £70 million. That is your serious suggestion is it?

And what kind of defence of AW is it that 'who would you replace him with?'

He's either good enough or not. But to claim that because you're not imaginative enough to come up with anyone better, that it's a case for him to remain is ridiculous, classic AKB logic (not calling you an AKB. But saying the 'logic' is).

The funny thing is, before Wenger arrived, not one of his apologists would have been able to name him as an alternative replacement. Yet he came in.

So there is bound to be any manager out there, that is smart enough to realise you do not play 4-5-1 at home to Sunderland/Blackburn/Wolves, that you do not wait until you've chucked league points before getting a settled team in summer, that you do not sell your best players without replacing them, that you do teach defending, that you study the opposition, and that you do not surrender a 4-0 lead, and that you do nto EVER, under any circumstances, lose 8-2 at Old Trafford.

If you genuinely think there isn't a manager out there capable of outdoing Wenger - when even under your very noses Harry fucking Redknapp is fighting for the league title and producing a team that plays excellent football, with a wage bill over £40 million lower....if you think there is not a single manaer in world football who can better SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A SINGLE TROPHY; then you are totally out of your mind.

Oh and one last thing.

A replacement for Wenger is not the fans' job. It's the club's. So when the Wengerites say 'who would you replace him with' it is a stupid, moot argument. Since the job of replacing him isn't the fans. It's the club's job.

When Graham was sacked, none of you would have thought of Wenger. So there are tons of managers out there who can outdo the utter garbage we see right now. Look at what Jurgen Klopp has done at Dortmund with fuck all money? Look at the players he has turned out?

PLEASE.

[richpye]

Jurgen Klopp
Unai Emery
Paul Lambert

All young managers capable of doing better than Wenger.

Alternatively you could go for older experienced ones with high pedigree like Hiddink, van Gaal or Loew.

Could also go internal and give Bouldie a crack at it.

Plenty of options out there.

Wenger is not the only man who can lead AFC.

Paul Lambert is not ready...yet. Whilst I am sure he could be the 1st XI coach I do not believe he possesses the ability to do the job that has been created for Wenger, so would need some form of Director of Football above him - these haven't had a great history of success in English football.

Klopp is a possibility but has a grand total of 1.5 good seasons behind him

Emery has admittedly done a good job considering the tough financial restrictions at Valencia, but again pedigree?

For me, all of these options would require a complete change in the organisation of the football club

[frankbutcher]

Jurgen Klopp
Unai Emery
Paul Lambert

All young managers capable of doing better than Wenger.

Alternatively you could go for older experienced ones with high pedigree like Hiddink, van Gaal or Loew.

Could also go internal and give Bouldie a crack at it.

Plenty of options out there.

Wenger is not the only man who can lead AFC.

Paul Lambert is not ready...yet. Whilst I am sure he could be the 1st XI coach I do not believe he possesses the ability to do the job that has been created for Wenger, so would need some form of Director of Football above him - these haven't had a great history of success in English football.

Klopp is a possibility but has a grand total of 1.5 good seasons behind him

Emery has admittedly done a good job considering the tough financial restrictions at Valencia, but again pedigree?

For me, all of these options would require a complete change in the organisation of the football club

That's what we need.

[Robsy]

Are you related to Red Member?

No, I've just become tired of the constant negative shit written on here.

No i dont want us to sign big like other "big" clubs in Europe do.I want us to sign cheap like Squillaci Chamakh and Park.And bring old players back like Campbell Lehmann and Henry

Roughly...Nasri cost £15; Arshavin cost £15m; Gervinho cost £10.5m - that's big money. There are suggestions that there are a few other £10m signings (TV; PM etc etc). But you're right, maybe we should spend £35m on Carroll, or £50m on Torres?

Our wage bill is £110m with our best paid player on £90k a week.Work it out.Why do you think we cant get rid of Bendtner Denilson Almunia and Diaby?because no one can afford their wages

£90k a week is nothing compared to what some other teams pay their top players.

Highest ticket prices- You are having a laugh arent you?

I refer you to my previous post!

90k a week

[1989]

Jurgen Klopp
Unai Emery
Paul Lambert

All young managers capable of doing better than Wenger.

Alternatively you could go for older experienced ones with high pedigree like Hiddink, van Gaal or Loew.

Could also go internal and give Bouldie a crack at it.

Plenty of options out there.

Wenger is not the only man who can lead AFC.

Paul Lambert is not ready...yet. Whilst I am sure he could be the 1st XI coach I do not believe he possesses the ability to do the job that has been created for Wenger, so would need some form of Director of Football above him - these haven't had a great history of success in English football.

Klopp is a possibility but has a grand total of 1.5 good seasons behind him

Emery has admittedly done a good job considering the tough financial restrictions at Valencia, but again pedigree?

For me, all of these options would require a complete change in the organisation of the football club

Those were just 3 names off the top of my head. There's tons more.

When Wenger came in, he changed the face of the club completely and brought his own philosophy and ideals. Who's to say a new manager can't have the same sort of impact now? Wenger came as a young manager boasting no more than a low experience in French football and a stint in Japan.

EDIT: What Babs said basically.

[frankbutcher]

Robsy..."I'm tired of all the negative shit..." zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Trot off back to Arsenal Mania then.