Wenger’s Arsenal – A Blueprint for English Football (6/3)

[gooner.ed]

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usual thread starter… I think we’d all like to see English players at Arsenal with decent technique. Apparently Jack Wilshire is the bee’s knees, and I was told about him a couple of years back as one to watch out for. So are you optimistic that the English teenagers they have at the Academy now will start to break through?

[Sammy Mooner]

Great article and pretty well spot on.

The English youngsters coming through the ranks now are completely different from the Cashleys and Parlours of this world in that they have been totally immersed in a culture of booze free professional footballers since they joined the Club as 8 or 9 years olds. They will have been well educated regarding diet and will have played in the Club 'style' for years, honing skills that at one time were a million miles from anything related to English football. They will be the first generation of Wenger youngsters who have never had bad examples to follow at our Club.

So I'm very optomistic indeed, tempered only by the obvious fact that you could be the best 16 or 17 year old in the world and still never make it because of poor attitude. If their attitude is right I fully expect us to provide the backbone of the full England side within the next 8 years.

[Red Gunner]

So are you optimistic that the English teenagers they have at the Academy now will start to break through?

Yes, I am. Liam Brady said that we have one of the best academies in England. Arsene Wenger has also said that we will have quality English players in the future. The thing is, all players that are with us from young age will be (have been) taught the technical aspects of the game by the best coaches.

[Dixonwingwizard]

Sorry and I hope I don't come accross as a wanker but I think there are a few holes in that piece. Most other teams trying to out football Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea or Liverpool would be sliced apart they cannot and will not unless some sugar daddy comes along be able to compete to buy the best players needed for such a task so they have to resort to the tatic your discussing. I'm no fan of it but thats the way it is. No matter what money they get from sky the big four will always have more than the rest. The only way around it is to cap transfer spending so its a more level playing field. But that would bring in other problems so probably a no go. As soon as someone outside the top four brings out a player that's a bit special he's bought out, Rooney for example at Everton or Lampard and Cole at West Ham. Can you imagine your an Everton fan at Rooney comes on the scene your thinking fuckin ell build a team around him and the skys the limit but no he's sold, it must be a bitter pill to swallow. So when you talk about a lack of ambition a lot of these teams are actually just trying to survive and hats of to Moyes I think he's doing a good job but can you ever see them winning the league. The only way we compete with the other top three is by raiding other teams youth systems and Arsene's fatastic scouting team.

At Arsenal I think we can get a bit above ourselves we are only in this position due to an amazing piece of luck that Arsene turned up when he did because otherwise we could have been amongst the Spurs and Evertons for a long time. I look at Spurs sometimes and think there but for the grace of god go I although to be fair Arsenal has always been better run than Spurs.

As for the England team well I'll beleive it when I see it I have been through to many false dawns. I do hope we start producing quality youngsters but England playing free flowing football the Arsenal way is decades away. However, Greece and Denamrk has shown us how team work is just as important as skill.

This is all starting to sound a bit negative now but my last point is that it doesn't sit that comfortably with me that we keep talking about being the first English club to beat AC Milan at home. We had one Englishman in the team for ten mins I love this team I do and Arsene is doing what he does best ensuring that Arsenal are competing at the top for the top honours but in years to come I really do hope we have at least four or five regular English players in the team but not at a cost to quality.

Plantini had a good point the other day when he said you have no English coach few English players and if people got their way half the time they wouldn't play in England it's a joke.

I can't leave on that note, Tuesday was brilliant and one thing I will say about a lot of the foreigners in our club they are much more loyal than that waste of space Cole. Very few if any under Arsene have said fuck you I'm off Anelka comes to mind but few after that Overmarrs said he just wanted to play in Spain and fair enough, Pires sulked a bit but was on his way out and both of them gave us great service. Henry felt compelled to stay after we lost in Paris and it seemed pretty much the best thing for both parties when he left. My dissapointment is not that we don't play enough English players its because we can't. As for the other big teams it makes me laugh when Liverpool fans take the mickey aobut the amount of foreigners we have when they have two English players and one of them is on his last legs. The same for Man U still living off the memory of one tide of youngsters that came through and as for Chelsea they pay big prices for the English players they have. So those fuckers in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. C'mon the Arsenal!!!!!

[proudtosaythatname]

Yes, it is funny how we've suddenly become an English club...

[gooner.ed]

what's with the glass of white wine avatar?

[Magic Hat]

Where do Arsenal play? London. Isn't that the capital of England? So what nationality is the club? Where has it's history been?

Harry Redknapp recently suggested similar. How are the players meant to become better if they spend every week hoofing it up to the big man and hacking better players? Nobody is suggesting that what Bolton, for example, should do is go all out attack against the big clubs but you can play good entertaining counter attacking football without hoofing, hacking, playing with only one man in the opposition half for 85 minutes. If clubs took long term views, build up good academy's while teaching the kids properly and teams played good football then English football would greatly benefit

[Belfast Boy]

I agree totally the EPL is the richest league in the world so it's reasonable to assume that even some of our lesser clubs have a lot more money than their foreign counterparts who yet are still invariably streets ahead of them on a technical level which is all too evident in the UEFA Cup - building a technically adept team and creating a professional environment at a club has very little to do with money!

[U.F.G Anfield '89]

Great article and pretty well spot on.

The English youngsters coming through the ranks now are completely different from the Cashleys and Parlours of this world in that they have been totally immersed in a culture of booze free professional footballers since they joined the Club as 8 or 9 years olds. They will have been well educated regarding diet and will have played in the Club 'style' for years, honing skills that at one time were a million miles from anything related to English football. They will be the first generation of Wenger youngsters who have never had bad examples to follow at our Club.

So I'm very optomistic indeed, tempered only by the obvious fact that you could be the best 16 or 17 year old in the world and still never make it because of poor attitude. If their attitude is right I fully expect us to provide the backbone of the full England side within the next 8 years.

please don't mention the romford pele in the same sentence as ca$hley, one is a legend the other is a total geebag.