A genuine question to the Wenger Out supporters....
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northbankbren
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A genuine question to the Wenger Out supporters....
Considering the current Arsenal boards history of recruitment, could you trust them to appoint the correct replacement if Arsene Wenger was relieved of his duties?
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No, but I'd rather we got rid of Wenger and brought someone else in than keep Wenger in fear of his replacement being even worse. Wenger's time is up and has been for a good while now.
Since we don't have David Dein around anymore, it would be wiser to go for a top level proven manager to minimize the risks.
The board might be incompetent but I do think think that they would be aware of the availability of someone like Guardiola for example, who's leaving Barcelona at the end of the season and has said in the past that he'd love to manage us.
Since we don't have David Dein around anymore, it would be wiser to go for a top level proven manager to minimize the risks.
The board might be incompetent but I do think think that they would be aware of the availability of someone like Guardiola for example, who's leaving Barcelona at the end of the season and has said in the past that he'd love to manage us.
Right now, I'd trust this board to appoint a new manager more than I would trust Wenger to sign players, spend money wisely and be tactically competent.
It's not enough of an argument for someone to remain in a job, to say that you fear someone more incompetent being appointed.
That is ludicrous. I think it's telling that the most 'coherent' argument the Wengerites can put forward in general (not calling the thread author one), is that 'Who would you replace him with' and 'would you trust the board to replace'.
That isn't defending an individual based on their merits at all by pointing to achievements is it? It's just admitting:'Yeah, he is garbage. But I fear we might get someone even more garbage. So let's stick with him'.
Not good enough. The whole mentality at this club from its fans needs a massive change, it's a joke really...
It's not enough of an argument for someone to remain in a job, to say that you fear someone more incompetent being appointed.
That is ludicrous. I think it's telling that the most 'coherent' argument the Wengerites can put forward in general (not calling the thread author one), is that 'Who would you replace him with' and 'would you trust the board to replace'.
That isn't defending an individual based on their merits at all by pointing to achievements is it? It's just admitting:'Yeah, he is garbage. But I fear we might get someone even more garbage. So let's stick with him'.
Not good enough. The whole mentality at this club from its fans needs a massive change, it's a joke really...
So what is the correct replacement?
Someone to come in and win the league?
That ship has sailed, sunk and currently is rusting at the bottom of the ocean.
A manager to come in and instill some discipline and pride in the team, yes.
Why, because any fucker who isn't Wenger could turn us round from being a laughing stock without a fucking penny to spend.
It wouldn't matter who the borad appointed to make that happen.
Someone to come in and win the league?
That ship has sailed, sunk and currently is rusting at the bottom of the ocean.
A manager to come in and instill some discipline and pride in the team, yes.
Why, because any fucker who isn't Wenger could turn us round from being a laughing stock without a fucking penny to spend.
It wouldn't matter who the borad appointed to make that happen.
SPOT ON.Number 5 wrote:So what is the correct replacement?
Someone to come in and win the league?
That ship has sailed, sunk and currently is rusting at the bottom of the ocean.
A manager to come in and instill some discipline and pride in the team, yes.
Why, because any fucker who isn't Wenger could turn us round from being a laughing stock without a fucking penny to spend.
It wouldn't matter who the borad appointed to make that happen.
Pride, discipline, courage.
FFS STEVE KEAN went to Old Trafford and won 3-2!!!
Even one of the shittest PL teams of the past 15 years can go to OT, fight, scrap and not get mullered 8-2.
So I ask again, just what the fuck the Wengerites are on about (errr and are you forgetting that board members like Ken Friar were originally behind the ratification of your Dear Leader Wenger?).
Basically, it's incredibly disturbing to read people effectively saying they trust an incompetent individual on £6.5 mil a year more than they trust their entire club.
Arsene FC indeed.
As Merse said after the 8-2
NO Manager in League 2 would have gone there and lost so badly - even with a worse pool of players to pick from!
Crawley Town went there last year and lost 1-0 to six of the players that played against us that day including Rooney for 45mins. They were in the Blue Square Bet Premier at the time!
NO Manager in League 2 would have gone there and lost so badly - even with a worse pool of players to pick from!
Crawley Town went there last year and lost 1-0 to six of the players that played against us that day including Rooney for 45mins. They were in the Blue Square Bet Premier at the time!
As the plan is to profit and Kroenke knows as much about football as I know about Arizona migratory birds, I think a decent manager would be brought in.
As many of you pointed playing a starting XI that we know that won't break for nothing, can defend set pieces and will try to scrap every result is not something wenger can do anymore and if you don't do those things, you win shit.
I'm afraid this irrational fear to sack Wenger will keep him regardless.
As many of you pointed playing a starting XI that we know that won't break for nothing, can defend set pieces and will try to scrap every result is not something wenger can do anymore and if you don't do those things, you win shit.
I'm afraid this irrational fear to sack Wenger will keep him regardless.
Nothing in my life is perfect. I would like to earn more money. I would like that my wife looked more like Cheryl Cole. Oh for one of my sons to go on to play professional football.... But actually I realise that no-one's life is perfect. No one has it all - and I am luckier than most and probably in the top 10% of lucky guys in the country......
So I do find it funny when the Wenger out brigade choose to ignore what we have and what Wenger still manages to achieve..... A team that is still challenging for a top 4 finish (haven't we now broken the record for qualifying xx seasons in a row). A team that has gone further in the CL this season than Citeh and United. A club that isn't in fear of doing a Portsmouth, Leeds, Luton..... So, we haven't actually won a trophy for a few seasons. Well, no-one is perfect!
So I do find it funny when the Wenger out brigade choose to ignore what we have and what Wenger still manages to achieve..... A team that is still challenging for a top 4 finish (haven't we now broken the record for qualifying xx seasons in a row). A team that has gone further in the CL this season than Citeh and United. A club that isn't in fear of doing a Portsmouth, Leeds, Luton..... So, we haven't actually won a trophy for a few seasons. Well, no-one is perfect!
Thats a very defeatest attitude and thankfully not one I hold.MK Gould wrote:Nothing in my life is perfect. I would like to earn more money. I would like that my wife looked more like Cheryl Cole. Oh for one of my sons to go on to play professional football.... But actually I realise that no-one's life is perfect. No one has it all - and I am luckier than most and probably in the top 10% of lucky guys in the country......
So I do find it funny when the Wenger out brigade choose to ignore what we have and what Wenger still manages to achieve..... A team that is still challenging for a top 4 finish (haven't we now broken the record for qualifying xx seasons in a row). A team that has gone further in the CL this season than Citeh and United. A club that isn't in fear of doing a Portsmouth, Leeds, Luton..... So, we haven't actually won a trophy for a few seasons. Well, no-one is perfect!
"Ah well, we're not very good but hey ho, thats life, no-one s perfect"
Whatever happened to striving to be the best, not fourth best?
FFS even Lampard after the Chelski result yesterday said that theyre not happy settling for fourth. They want to be up there at the very top.
Wenger doesn't even say motivational stuff like that. Its a constant drip, drip of standards lowering and reduced expectations.
Yes, I'd take who this present board would appoint if Wenger and the board decided to part ways. (Doesn't Wenger sit in on the board anyway?
If he does then those blaming the board by default are blaming Wenger)
I guarantee any new Management Team appointed by tis board would-
Do tactics
Change formation
Coach defense
Instill discipline
Motivate the team
Do half time team talks
Study the opposition
Speak coherently at press conferences
Not insult the fans
Improve the medical situation
Have a clearout of deadwood
Bring a new dawn/optimisum to the whole club
Shut up the Anti Wenger brigade
All the above cannot be attributed to the board. (I'm sure theres more)
But a new manager (whoever it may be) would IMO improve on all of them and galvanize the whole club, including fans.
It is possible to be in a job too long. Things go stale. You get set in your ways. Cant change.
Arsene Wenger needs a new challenge and so does Arsenal Football Club.
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mk, everyone has a different perspective of what or what doesnt make a perfect life. i agree we all cant be winners all the time however when you recognise something isnt going to plan then change is needed. surely this is what is required at arsenal at the moment. im not sure if it is wenger or indeed the board but if something isnt addressed very quickly then we will seriously implode. im all for long term stability above knee jerk reaction but this situation has gone on far far too long.
This - excellent post mate.So what is the correct replacement?
Someone to come in and win the league?
That ship has sailed, sunk and currently is rusting at the bottom of the ocean.
A manager to come in and instill some discipline and pride in the team, yes.
Why, because any fucker who isn't Wenger could turn us round from being a laughing stock without a fucking penny to spend.
It wouldn't matter who the board appointed to make that happen.
There are a hell of a lot of people in life who are opposed to change. You see it everywhere. that fear of 'losing' what you have, going out of your comfort zone, going for the unknown. To worry about getting rid of Wenger just because of who may come in.......madness.
We need to judge Wenger on his capabilities and performance alone, just as any new manager should be judged on HIS performance, not by comparing him with Wenger when he's gone.
There are big problems at Arsenal with lack of discipline, motivation, tactical decisions and possibly training methods (hearing what ex-players say). All of those can be addressed by the manager, but have not and will not be addressed by Wenger, as history has showed.
We're comfortably in the top 6 and we're one of only two British teams into the CL knock out phase. That suggests that we are a very good side albeit that there are some who are better.....armchair supporter wrote:Thats a very defeatest attitude and thankfully not one I hold.
"Ah well, we're not very good but hey ho, thats life, no-one s perfect"
Whatever happened to striving to be the best, not fourth best?
FFS even Lampard after the Chelski result yesterday said that theyre not happy settling for fourth. They want to be up there at the very top.
And with the money that the Chavs have spent then their players/fans SHOULD expect to be up there challenging Citeh and United for the Prem and Barca and Real for the CL......
Financially speaking, we are not in their league and unfair to compare the two. That said, maybe people should be more critical of the Board who constrain us rather than the Manager who has kept us where we are on a shoestring?
