ARSENE CANNOT COMPETE: Hamstrung by 17 man rule

[Babatunde]

Musta been that Olympiakos game LOL.
IHH is indeed correct. The player needs to have come through your academy i.e trained as a youth from before his 17th birthday I believe or something similar.

So Roshitty, Marouane Schmuck, Diaby, Ramsey, Santos, Shitachi et al wouldn't count. If it helps, I think Djourou might though

[brazilianGOONER]

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sorry hleb, but the link you gave me does not work, you dyslexic twat

[I Hate Hleb]

Not sure BG but if you're interested you can check on here: www.goggleityoulazycunt.com

sorry hleb, but the link you gave me does not work, you dyslexic twat

That should be 'dislectic' and 'twit' surely?

[brazilianGOONER]

Not sure BG but if you're interested you can check on here: www.goggleityoulazycunt.com

sorry hleb, but the link you gave me does not work, you dyslexic twat

That should be 'dislectic' and 'twit' surely?

fucking hell boomer, stop logging in hlebby's account!

[wicklowgooner]

Arsene has an excuse: we cannot go into the transfer window and compete for quality foreign players because the rules prevent more than 17 non-domestic players being retained.

So how has our allocation been used and is it true that Wenger "cannot compete" with Citeh/Chelski?

Every season, France Football publish the Premier League squads wages estimates, as do the IFFHS.

So far for the six months of this season, this is what the Arsenal non domestic players (that we need to shift first to make room) have earned. Let me know if you still think Arsene "is safeguarding our future".

Six months wages for 2011-12 season so far:

Sebastien Squillaci: £1,440,000 GBP
Choo Park: £726,900 GBP
Marouane Chamakh: £1,560,000 GBP
Andrey Arshavin: £1,550,000 GBP
Tomas Rosicky: £1,420, 500 GBP
Johan Djourou: £1,320,000 GBP
Abou Diaby: £1,446,300 GBP
Lukasz Fabianski: £840,000 GBP
Manuel Almunia (zero PL minutes played): £1,538,000 GBP
Yao Gervinho: £1,212,000 GBP
Vito Mannone: £726,500 GBP

As per Arsenal Holdings PLC FS for ye 31.05.2011 the total staff wage bill was 124m- this ties with Deloitte report in May of this year on Prem Lg wage bills.
As per notes to the accounts the wages are split between:
Playing staff 70
Training staff 47
Administrative staff 248
Ground staff 89
454
There is no evidence anywhere to prove players wages bar the sun or daily mail

[Nos89]

Arsene has an excuse: we cannot go into the transfer window and compete for quality foreign players because the rules prevent more than 17 non-domestic players being retained.

So how has our allocation been used and is it true that Wenger "cannot compete" with Citeh/Chelski?

Every season, France Football publish the Premier League squads wages estimates, as do the IFFHS.

So far for the six months of this season, this is what the Arsenal non domestic players (that we need to shift first to make room) have earned. Let me know if you still think Arsene "is safeguarding our future".

Six months wages for 2011-12 season so far:

Sebastien Squillaci: £1,440,000 GBP
Choo Park: £726,900 GBP
Marouane Chamakh: £1,560,000 GBP
Andrey Arshavin: £1,550,000 GBP
Tomas Rosicky: £1,420, 500 GBP
Johan Djourou: £1,320,000 GBP
Abou Diaby: £1,446,300 GBP
Lukasz Fabianski: £840,000 GBP
Manuel Almunia (zero PL minutes played): £1,538,000 GBP
Yao Gervinho: £1,212,000 GBP
Vito Mannone: £726,500 GBP

Now. Ask yourselves for those wages and constraints on bringing in new foreign players, what these jokers have contributed please?

And this ain't just limited to foreign players btw:

Kieran Gibbs: £947,500 GBP
Theodora Walcott: £1,525,000 GBP

The best of all I shall save until last. Remember, this is the man who knew Djourou was going to be targeted for a second yellow, and did nothing.
The man who has overseen the worst start to a league season in over 58 years. The man who was responsible for our heaviest defeat in over 120 years. The man who compete ly bungled our summer...

Arsene Wenger: £3,290,000 GBP

Just FYI, this was higher - by some distance - than any other PL manager!
Including Mancini and AVB. Only Mourinho warns more anywhere in Europe.

So this is what our sustainable business model is all about

I thought Djourou, Diaby, Fabianski and Mannone were classified as domestic players as they've been at the club longer than 3 years before they were 21? That club classify then as home grown as part of the 25 man squad named at the beginning of each season.

[SteveO 35]

Walcott is clearly underpaid
no wonder he wants an increase

Chamakh earns too much.
Squillachi earns too much.
Why are we still paying Diaby, Almunia and Mannone?

Red....it would be fair to say that in these dark days some of your posts are amongst the highlights of the day

I do wish you'd come out again about your views on whether we should bring Denilson back though

[Babatunde]

Arsene has an excuse: we cannot go into the transfer window and compete for quality foreign players because the rules prevent more than 17 non-domestic players being retained.

So how has our allocation been used and is it true that Wenger "cannot compete" with Citeh/Chelski?

Every season, France Football publish the Premier League squads wages estimates, as do the IFFHS.

So far for the six months of this season, this is what the Arsenal non domestic players (that we need to shift first to make room) have earned. Let me know if you still think Arsene "is safeguarding our future".

Six months wages for 2011-12 season so far:

Sebastien Squillaci: £1,440,000 GBP
Choo Park: £726,900 GBP
Marouane Chamakh: £1,560,000 GBP
Andrey Arshavin: £1,550,000 GBP
Tomas Rosicky: £1,420, 500 GBP
Johan Djourou: £1,320,000 GBP
Abou Diaby: £1,446,300 GBP
Lukasz Fabianski: £840,000 GBP
Manuel Almunia (zero PL minutes played): £1,538,000 GBP
Yao Gervinho: £1,212,000 GBP
Vito Mannone: £726,500 GBP

As per Arsenal Holdings PLC FS for ye 31.05.2011 the total staff wage bill was 124m- this ties with Deloitte report in May of this year on Prem Lg wage bills.
As per notes to the accounts the wages are split between:
Playing staff 70
Training staff 47
Administrative staff 248
Ground staff 89
454
There is no evidence anywhere to prove players wages bar the sun or daily mail

Aaaaah that old chestnut.

'Arsenal wages are split as Holdings between all staff'

That has been proven as, with all due respect, consummate horse-shit.

How?

1. Wenger's salary alone and the respective minimum wage ceiling for the Enormous Arsenal squad, does not tally with our confirmed wage bill of £118 mil.

2. You've forgotten that if whole economies like Greece can get away with creative accounting, then certainly AWFC can.

Sorry but knowing what we do, e.g. that Traore turned down Benfica due to the 'low offer' of £30k a week, that Niklas BENDTNER openly told Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet that he earned £52k a week, that Alex Song's agent when Inter's interest was rumoured (LOL) stated that Song was on an 'excellent contract' and that it would take 'a stupid offer'. etc etc.

This is a propagated myth that the split encompasses all Arsenal staff.
Wenger is on £6.5 mil a year - this much we know.

Chamakh is on £60k minimum per week as a free transfer - this much we also know.

Van Persie is on £60k a week minimum. This much we also know.

Bendtner is on £52k a week - that much is confirmed by him.

Denilson is on £50k a week - that much was confirmed with his new extension.

Almunia's last contract shot him to beyond £55k a week (as an occasional captain also) - that much is also known.

Besiktas pulled out of the negotiations for Abou Diaby because their offer of £50k a week was too low in comparison to what he gets at Arsenal - that much is actually confirmed (see the words of the Besiktas president for that one).

So; what I want to know, is that taking into account that we know at the very least that all those players are on such a wage; how the hell you can seriously tell me, with a straight face, that the £118 million actually counts as a mammoth split between over 400 staff!!!!

Once you deduct Wenger's wages alone, the maths make absolutely no sense. I trust France Football's figures far more. So nice attempt at deflecting the blame off Wenger - but there is a reason that despite desperately trying, Arsenal could not offload Denilson, Diaby, Chamakh, Bendtner, Shitachi and Almunia.

Let's take a wild, educated guess at why this was....


Or else, let's just digest the party line coming out from the club. Because Gazidis, Wenger and the club never ever lie do they....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSWN6Qj98Iw

[wicklowgooner]

Arsene has an excuse: we cannot go into the transfer window and compete for quality foreign players because the rules prevent more than 17 non-domestic players being retained.

So how has our allocation been used and is it true that Wenger "cannot compete" with Citeh/Chelski?

Every season, France Football publish the Premier League squads wages estimates, as do the IFFHS.

So far for the six months of this season, this is what the Arsenal non domestic players (that we need to shift first to make room) have earned. Let me know if you still think Arsene "is safeguarding our future".

Six months wages for 2011-12 season so far:

Sebastien Squillaci: £1,440,000 GBP
Choo Park: £726,900 GBP
Marouane Chamakh: £1,560,000 GBP
Andrey Arshavin: £1,550,000 GBP
Tomas Rosicky: £1,420, 500 GBP
Johan Djourou: £1,320,000 GBP
Abou Diaby: £1,446,300 GBP
Lukasz Fabianski: £840,000 GBP
Manuel Almunia (zero PL minutes played): £1,538,000 GBP
Yao Gervinho: £1,212,000 GBP
Vito Mannone: £726,500 GBP

As per Arsenal Holdings PLC FS for ye 31.05.2011 the total staff wage bill was 124m- this ties with Deloitte report in May of this year on Prem Lg wage bills.
As per notes to the accounts the wages are split between:
Playing staff 70
Training staff 47
Administrative staff 248
Ground staff 89
454
There is no evidence anywhere to prove players wages bar the sun or daily mail

Aaaaah that old chestnut.

'Arsenal wages are split as Holdings between all staff'

That has been proven as, with all due respect, consummate horse-shit.

How?

1. Wenger's salary alone and the respective minimum wage ceiling for the Enormous Arsenal squad, does not tally with our confirmed wage bill of £118 mil.

2. You've forgotten that if whole economies like Greece can get away with creative accounting, then certainly AWFC can.

Sorry but knowing what we do, e.g. that Traore turned down Benfica due to the 'low offer' of £30k a week, that Niklas BENDTNER openly told Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet that he earned £52k a week, that Alex Song's agent when Inter's interest was rumoured (LOL) stated that Song was on an 'excellent contract' and that it would take 'a stupid offer'. etc etc.

This is a propagated myth that the split encompasses all Arsenal staff.
Wenger is on £6.5 mil a year - this much we know.

Chamakh is on £60k minimum per week as a free transfer - this much we also know.

Van Persie is on £60k a week minimum. This much we also know.

Bendtner is on £52k a week - that much is confirmed by him.

Denilson is on £50k a week - that much was confirmed with his new extension.

Almunia's last contract shot him to beyond £55k a week (as an occasional captain also) - that much is also known.

Besiktas pulled out of the negotiations for Abou Diaby because their offer of £50k a week was too low in comparison to what he gets at Arsenal - that much is actually confirmed (see the words of the Besiktas president for that one).

So; what I want to know, is that taking into account that we know at the very least that all those players are on such a wage; how the hell you can seriously tell me, with a straight face, that the £118 million actually counts as a mammoth split between over 400 staff!!!!

Once you deduct Wenger's wages alone, the maths make absolutely no sense. I trust France Football's figures far more. So nice attempt at deflecting the blame off Wenger - but there is a reason that despite desperately trying, Arsenal could not offload Denilson, Diaby, Chamakh, Bendtner, Shitachi and Almunia.

Let's take a wild, educated guess at why this was....


Or else, let's just digest the party line coming out from the club. Because Gazidis, Wenger and the club never ever lie do they....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSWN6Qj98Iw

First up would you mind pointing out where I attempted to "deflect.. the blame off Wenger"

I am not going to comment on the a/c principles applied. I will say I would have thought it obvious the bulk of the 124m would be between first team staff & mgmt, senior staff in support roles etc.

I maintain there is no evidence of player gross wages, you speculate on players moves breaking down over wages but if I went for an Interview in the morning I would tell them I'm on at least 15k more than I am hoping to get at least 10k from my move thats common sense

[Babatunde]

Oh right. So when Nik Bendtner told Ekstra Bladet:
'I am earning great money at Arsenal, they recognize my value. In Denmark it would be impossible to earn half a million kroner every week' (£50k), was he at a job interview? Really?

Chamakh's wages aren't speculation, they were confirmed by Triaud at Bordeaux.

It isn't speculation that Denilson is on £50k a week, his agent blurted that out.

It also isn't speculation that Wenger is on £6.5 mil a year, it is a universal well-known fact, that has been published by reputable sources such as the IFFHS, France Football amidst others. When interviewed by these publications, Wenger has never refuted that story as fiction.

So again I will repeat: how does reality and common sense, tally with that entire accounting split being divided between over 400 staff? I mean seriously do you believe that horse shite?

Of course though, those who believe the party line of the Democratic Republic of Wenger, are far less likely to question how it can be justified that so much money is being spent on such dross....

[Babatunde]

DEMBA BA:

Free transfer from West Ham.
Wages estimated (from same FF article): £45k per week.

15 PL goals. Signing of the season from Pardew. Newcastle's global scouting department much smaller and cheaper than Arsenal's.

MAROUANE CHAMAKH:

Free transfer form Bordeaux.
Wages estimated: £65k per week

Or...
CHOO YOUNG PARK

Transfer fee of £3.5 million from relegated Monaco
Chuck in his stupid wages of over £35k a week.

Arsene Knows. Arsene is being hamstrung by the board and delivers value.

[wicklowgooner]

Oh right. So when Nik Bendtner told Ekstra Bladet:
'I am earning great money at Arsenal, they recognize my value. In Denmark it would be impossible to earn half a million kroner every week' (£50k), was he at a job interview? Really?

Chamakh's wages aren't speculation, they were confirmed by Triaud at Bordeaux.

It isn't speculation that Denilson is on £50k a week, his agent blurted that out.

It also isn't speculation that Wenger is on £6.5 mil a year, it is a universal well-known fact, that has been published by reputable sources such as the IFFHS, France Football amidst others. When interviewed by these publications, Wenger has never refuted that story as fiction.

So again I will repeat: how does reality and common sense, tally with that entire accounting split being divided between over 400 staff? I mean seriously do you believe that horse shite?

Of course though, those who believe the party line of the Democratic Republic of Wenger, are far less likely to question how it can be justified that so much money is being spent on such dross....

Denilson agent? Oh I didn't know that, its fact so as we know agents in football are the most reputable characters in the sport and are never trying to make a few quid

And will you do me a favour, stop making reference to my defense of Wenger as I am not

Maybe you should consider reporting the club for fraudulent accounting

[mcdowell42]

I miss USMARTY

[g88ner]

DEMBA BA:

Free transfer from West Ham.
Wages estimated (from same FF article): £45k per week.

15 PL goals. Signing of the season from Pardew. Newcastle's global scouting department much smaller and cheaper than Arsenal's.

MAROUANE CHAMAKH:

Free transfer form Bordeaux.
Wages estimated: £65k per week

Or...
CHOO YOUNG PARK

Transfer fee of £3.5 million from relegated Monaco
Chuck in his stupid wages of over £35k a week.

Arsene Knows. Arsene is being hamstrung by the board and delivers value.

But Demba Ba is Newcastle's main striker, whereas thanks to Van Persie, Chamakh and Park barely get a kick and are very much back up players.

I doubt even Demba Ba would score 15 goals sat on his arse in the Arsenal dugout!

I agree with your point though. Chamakh is shite and Park presumably is worse (as he's never even on the bench), whereas Ba has been a great signing for Pardew.

[Babatunde]

Cheik Tiote:

£3.5 million from Twente
Wages of £20k per week according to estimates

Alex Thong

£3 mil from Bastia
Wages reported of £58k per week.

Arsene Knows