Finally some media criticism of AW...

enjibenji · Post by **enjibenji** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:08 pm

What we have been saying here for a long time.

But nothing will change, as it will be special circumstances/injurys/market/ everything fucking else.

Of course the summer will then be we are buying star quality/players with exceptional talent/we search for internal solutions. Its a broken record and one i am very tierd of listning to

begeegs · Post by **begeegs** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:13 pm

Red Member wrote:I think he will walk if we lose to United and Spurs.

Mate - you are dreaming. I can't see that happening at all.

clockender1 · Post by **clockender1** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:22 pm

richpye wrote:http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... enger.html

that article reads like someone's been reading on here :

Yet Wenger either refuses or does not know how to or does not trust his judgment anymore to make the marquee signings that might have kept players like Ashley Cole, Emmanuel Adebayor, Cesc Fabregas, Samir Nasri and Gael Clichy.

Who can blame them â€” or Van Persie â€” for wanting to fulfil their ambition elsewhere when they look at the sort of dross they are being asked to play alongside?

Players like Djourou, Per Mertesacker, Sebastien Squillaci, Andrey Arshavin, Marouane Chamakh and Tomas Rosicky.

Mertesacker, a panic buy, is out of his depth while the others should all have been offloaded in the summer or before.

As for the infuriatingly inconsistent Theo Walcott, his crossing against Fulham was as bad as it ever has been and reduced Wenger to unconcealed rage.

Yes, Arsenal have had their injuries (don't they always) â€” including a freakish situation where all four full-backs are out at the same time though they are not exactly world-beaters. Week-in, week-out, Arsenal are linked with players and yet how many do they get?

Gary Cahill slips through their fingers, Chris Samba and Leighton Baines remain unsigned. Jose Enrique is at Liverpool, Shay Given to Villa.

Surely even one of Richard Dunne, John Arne Riise or John O'Shea could have come in and done a job. Instead, Wenger is reduced to sending out the kids.

Yes, Bacary Sagna and Jack Wilshere, on whose young shoulders so much optimism is placed, could be back for the Champions League.

While Thomas Vermaelen and Mikel Arteta, Wenger's best recent buys, will hopefully return for Sunday's 8-2 grudge match with Manchester United at the Emirates.

And, yes, Laurent Koscielny is now looking a player.

Then, again, we have been saying things along the same lines for the last six seasons and nothing has changed.

Defeat against one of the more ordinary United teams of the Fergie era, though, could leave even a supremely loyal Arsenal board starting to discuss the succession.

dross is not a usual word, but it's one i and others have used recently on here.

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:36 pm

Red Member wrote:I think he will walk if we lose to United and Spurs.

And give up a Â£6m per annum job with no accountability to your employer.....would you ?

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:56 pm

SteveO 35 wrote:
Red Member wrote:I think he will walk if we lose to United and Spurs.
And give up a Â£6m per annum job with no accountability to your employer.....would you ?

If the fans get on his back, the media will follow big time, and I think that could push him over the edge.
Maybe action from the fans is what they are waiting on, as they don't want to pull the trigger too soon. Believe me they will take great pleasure in destroying Wenger. The press plays a huge part in the fate of managers in England, probably more so than the fans.

the playing mantis · Post by **the playing mantis** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:59 pm

Article is what we all say on here, hes ripped i off us.

However lawton is a sperz supporting prick, i would'nt touch the filthy rag he writes in with a barge poll, plus hes now in the evening standard talking bollox with his sperz love in, having replaced the other bollox talker cowley (even though cowley was a gooner)

the article is correct, but lawton is a sperz loving wanker still, who only gets published in 2nd rate crap rags like the indie, gruadian, and standard.

augie · Post by **augie** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:05 pm

Of course these articles are only saying what many of us have said on here for a long long time now but I cannot for the life of me understand how the media hacks have been so slow in noticing or highlighting these issues

Maybe, just maybe, a period of intense scrutiny from the media allied to public shows of dissatisfaction from the fans might turn up the heat on him to the point that he might walk. I am also hoping that this kind of media reaction might awaken those in the Gooner army who might feel the same way but have been afraid to speak up for fear of being slated by all and sundry.

I also have to say however, that I really cannot understand all the bashing of mertesacker both on here and in the media

Of course he has made mistakes along the way but show me any of our players that havent done so this season (tv5 v villa + kos had a nightmare start to the season and they are just 2 players). Fact is that he has come into a very average Arsenal team, with a constantly changing back 4 and now having a (poor) centre back playing beside him at right back plus he plays in a team that refuse to play any type of midfield defender to protect the back 4 - again I will remind ye all how crap our back 4 looked early in the 98 double season until the midfielders were organised to provide better protection. Fact is that mert is not fast but we all knew that before he came, however he has an excellent reading of the game and is showing real organisational skills in a back 4 totally devoid of such a trait. I know I might be biased but I believe that he will be a good signing and that next season we will see real proof of that

MegaGooner · Post by **MegaGooner** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:21 pm

Good article that just re-iterates what we all have been saying all along though. Maybe now the tables are slowly turning on the GIC, which imo is about, at minimum, 3 years too late

MegaGooner · Post by **MegaGooner** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:23 pm

Have to agree with Augie about Mertesacker too.

rodders999 · Post by **rodders999** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:30 pm

The big useless German? He has no pace, can't jump, is shit in the air, looks like he has concrete boots on at all times, has zero passing ability, zero football ability and also seems to have no balance considering he's forever falling over.

Have you ever seen him make a pass over 10 yards? I don't think he's actually capable of passing a ball 30 yards into the corner for a player to run on to. Every pass is a side-foot lethargic 5 yard barely rolling ball.

And his technique for his 3 yard "attempt" which went 10 yards wide against Swansea was like how a child would kick a ball. A big wild seep of his leg and skewed it wide.

Hee fucking haw

SpanishJoe · Post by **SpanishJoe** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:32 pm

Me too. The BFG is a good player.

Don't forget most wrote off Kos.

goonersid · Post by **goonersid** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:37 pm

rodders999 wrote:The big useless German? He has no pace, can't jump, is shit in the air, looks like he has concrete boots on at all times, has zero passing ability, zero football ability and also seems to have no balance considering he's forever falling over.

Have you ever seen him make a pass over 10 yards? I don't think he's actually capable of passing a ball 30 yards into the corner for a player to run on to. Every pass is a side-foot lethargic 5 yard barely rolling ball.

And his technique for his 3 yard "attempt" which went 10 yards wide against Swansea was like how a child would kick a ball. A big wild seep of his leg and skewed it wide.

Hee fucking haw

This ^^ He has been a big disappointment, as have all the January signings. I think that unfortunately we now have so many bad players that some of us (perhaps myself included regarding Song) are looking for any positives we can find, when in fact there are none.

augie · Post by **augie** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:43 pm

rodders999 wrote:The big useless German? He has no pace, can't jump, is shit in the air, looks like he has concrete boots on at all times, has zero passing ability, zero football ability and also seems to have no balance considering he's forever falling over.

Have you ever seen him make a pass over 10 yards? I don't think he's actually capable of passing a ball 30 yards into the corner for a player to run on to. Every pass is a side-foot lethargic 5 yard barely rolling ball.

And his technique for his 3 yard "attempt" which went 10 yards wide against Swansea was like how a child would kick a ball. A big wild seep of his leg and skewed it wide.

Hee fucking haw

Ever see TA6 or Keown pass a ball ? 10 yard short passes to midfielders was their game and the let the guys who could create do exactly that. I want a defender that can defend first and foremost - at the moment he is being asked to perform miracles in a very lobsided back 4 as was shown with swansea's first goal where he had to cover over for a badly out of position djouru

As I have said already, I am not saying that he is playing out of his skin but what I am saying is that he is playing in a lobsided back 4 that gets no protection from its midfield and is still adjusting to the pace of the game in england so I am prepared to allow him time to settle before judging him.
Btw I would even go so far as to suggest that kos and bert is our best partnership at centre back ahead of tv5 alongside either of them

rodders999 · Post by **rodders999** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:53 pm

augie wrote:
rodders999 wrote:The big useless German? He has no pace, can't jump, is shit in the air, looks like he has concrete boots on at all times, has zero passing ability, zero football ability and also seems to have no balance considering he's forever falling over.

Have you ever seen him make a pass over 10 yards? I don't think he's actually capable of passing a ball 30 yards into the corner for a player to run on to. Every pass is a side-foot lethargic 5 yard barely rolling ball.

And his technique for his 3 yard "attempt" which went 10 yards wide against Swansea was like how a child would kick a ball. A big wild seep of his leg and skewed it wide.

Hee fucking haw

Ever see TA6 or Keown pass a ball ? 10 yard short passes to midfielders was their game and the let the guys who could create do exactly that. I want a defender that can defend first and foremost - at the moment he is being asked to perform miracles in a very lobsided back 4 as was shown with swansea's first goal where he had to cover over for a badly out of position djouru
As I have said already, I am not saying that he is playing out of his skin but what I am saying is that he is playing in a lobsided back 4 that gets no protection from its midfield and is still adjusting to the pace of the game in england so I am prepared to allow him time to settle before judging him.
Btw I would even go so far as to suggest that kos and bert is our best partnership at centre back ahead of tv5 alongside either of them

I agree Augie, and wouldn't want him pelting it up field all the time. I just think if he tried a long pass he's either (a) shank it into the stands or (b) by swinging his big pendulum leg to kick it long would put himself off balance and crumble to the floor as usual. Honestly watch how many times he falls over in a game.

Oh and to even use Big Tone and Keown in the same sentence as concrete boots should get you an automatic one week ban from here.

Sacrilege!!!

augie · Post by **augie** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:40 pm

So what you are saying rodders, is that he is wrong for not attempting to launch 30 yard passes down the field even though he is incapable of doing so ?