GAZIDIS and GOONER ED - THEIR PART IN OUR DOWNFALL

rolypoly · Post by **rolypoly** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:53 pm

Belated happy new year to one and all.

Had numerous ideas for a heading for this thread but settled on the above.

one option had been " reflections from afar" but its a couple of weeks now since returning from Poland.

21 years watching arsenal in poland at xmas and the fulham game was first time ever seeing them lose at that time of year. hence prior to going the offer from nice man phil to buy me a house in poland if it was a 12 point xmas. in that sense it was a good thing that opportunity was already blown as a consequence of the draw v wolves.

watching games with ex pats - it was surprising how overrated is the current team. they found it hard to believe that the level of performance eg v fulham, wolves was very typical, very normal for our current team and that certainly in comparison to recent arsenal teams we are genuinely crap full of "b" list players with the obvious exceptions of rvp and tv.

Poland is a great time for catching up with reading inc -sad git as i am - past issues of the gooner -which leads on to the main subject.

a few months ago i expressed concerns about the integrity of gooner ed by virtue of his total lack of criticism of gazidis and a possible financial link between the gooner and the club.

mike francis gave me the info which confirmed no financial links and therefore no hold over the gooner in that sense which was re-assuring but went on to add the explanation for gooner ed`s silence on topics such as gazidis is that long ago it was decided as a matter of policy that while the gooner could be used by readers to start campaigns, gooner ed would never take the lead.

so here we have an editor who would be the equivalent of the editor of a national newspaper who has decided never to write an editorial on national politics - a bloody pathetic cop out if ever there was one.

so it was a little surprising when doing catch up to read an editorial in which gooner ed made some vague cricisms of the long departed dein while remaining totally silent on gazidis and co.

there is another thread running about renewal of season tickets and effectiveness of protests . here we have a chief executive who has presided in comparison to the period before his entry on to the scene over abject failure in circumstances where it is plausible that there is a conflict of interest between what is in his best interest and that of the team and the fans.

gazidis gets bonuses so it would appear based on profits. i wager his bonuses are not directly linked to on the field success. no money on transfers= bigger profit = bigger bonus. whats the truth - i dont know , does anyone know but our beloved ed wont dare ask the questions or challenge gazidis about anything - gazidis says he`s going to carry out price review - gooner ed unquestioningly gives the thumbs up. do you ever read gooner ed questioning whats happened to the review of course not -

protest, challenging gazidis and his cronies its all fans can do but gazidis can sit in his office smug in the knowledge that those voices that carry greater clout remain silent. put it this way a an attack on gazidis by the editor of arsenal `s most popular fanzine is more likely to be picked up by tv newspapers than anything written by the likes of me.

the gooner is full of little snips praising gooner ed but what does he do. mike francis says he spends little time on the website- his role appears to be limited to that of uninspiring match reporter. silence empowers the likes of gazidis- a man who is a disaster for the club. if gooner ed has opted out of any role in criticizing gazidis and co then he like gazidis should do the honorable thing and resign

but of course if he thinks gazidis is good for the club why not say so and explain.

fact is our editor is a bloody wimp who will avoid saying anything that may upset the establishment- he is part of the establishment and the establishment right now is overseeing the ruination of our club . start saying your farewells to rvp now because unless something comes up through the ranks llike jack we wont be seeing his quality for a long time to come. meanwhile gazidis collects his bonuses and gooner ed says nothing apart from have pop at wenger

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:58 pm

I'm always slightly baffled by the Gazidas attacks. He's essentially just a PR bloke. In terms of funds and transfer negotiations he has little to do with them. He essentially runs the commercial side of Arsenal.

Wenger is directly responsible for the playing staff. He has chosen not to spend the money OR not spend it wisely. He should be held to account more than say Gazidas as he clearly thinks the players are good enough. Criticising Gazidas is sort of pointless.

Post by **flash gunner** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:18 pm

This shit again

You used to be my favourite poster Roly but youre not the person i once knew anymore

augie · Post by **augie** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:21 pm

roly would you please fcuk back to poland or to some other shit hole where they have no internet access ?

Post by **brazilianGOONER** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:39 pm

augie wrote:roly would you please fcuk back to poland or to some other shit hole where they have no internet access ?

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:50 pm

What rigsby said. Gazidis (why does my phone autocorrect that to AIDS?) is responsible for marketing and PR not bloody player signings!!

frankbutcher · Post by **frankbutcher** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:09 pm

I think Roly has a point. Why does The Gooner not question the Club's financial policies? The Gooner is the fan's voice, and yet it refuses to speak up.

WHY?

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:38 pm

To misquote a certain train loving sandwich toting Sri Lankan dwarf who used to post on here:

'Arsenal caught hoarding cash; still not challenged; WHY?'

No, jokes aside, I don't blame the Gooner, I think it would be a very controversial and divisive stand to take and there are more pressing and relevant issues to discuss, on the whole they do a very good job with cerebral analysing of the team manager finances etc.

Post by **flash gunner** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:42 pm

SWLGooner wrote:To misquote a certain train loving sandwich toting Sri Lankan dwarf who used to post on here.

Does his mum still make him a packed lunch for the journeys?

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:50 pm

Look on mine or Jayson's FB there are pictures of him surreptitiously eating his sandwich at Man City.

And it's his dad not his mum.

He had a cracking line a few weeks back, he was telling me I couldn't take the piss out of him because of my age, so I just walked up beside him and put my chin on the top of his head (he hates that) and he shouts,

'OÃ! Don't do that! I'm the same height as Ricky Hatton you know!!!!!'

He'll eat what he wantssss... Still makes me laugh!

Post by **flash gunner** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:52 pm

SWLGooner wrote:Look on mine or Jayson's FB there are pictures of him surreptitiously eating his sandwich at Man City.

And it's his dad not his mum.

He had a cracking line a few weeks back, he was telling me I couldn't take the piss out of him because of my age, so I just walked up beside him and put my chin on the top of his head (he hates that) and he shouts,

'OÃ! Don't do that! I'm the same height as Ricky Hatton you know!!!!!'

He'll eat what he wantssss... Still makes me laugh!

He's good for a laugh

frankbutcher · Post by **frankbutcher** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:55 pm

I met the said Hatton-a-like in Swansea. Last seen piling into a minibus in our hotel car park. Must of been about 20 lads crammed into that bus.

worthing_gooner · Post by **worthing_gooner** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:25 pm

Just a quick point: Gazidis does do signings.

Wenger tells Gazidis who he wants, Gazidis makes it happen. That's the way it works at most football clubs. The manager will rarely make the actual bid, negotiate the contract and do the deal.

Gazidis was also the man who basically allowed Nasri's and now RVP and Walcott's contracts to run down. Wenger gives the say so over whether to sign them onto longer term deals or not but ultimately the actual deal brokering is down to the Chief Exec.

If Wenger was indecisive, it's also Gazidis' job as Wenger's senior to basically tell him to pull his finger out or he'd make the decision for him.

So yes Gazidis should take his share of the blame, and is just as responsible as Wenger for our downfall.

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:36 pm

frankbutcher wrote:I met the said Hatton-a-like in Swansea. Last seen piling into a minibus in our hotel car park. Must of been about 20 lads crammed into that bus.

Must of been his idea of heaven

:fight:

Post by **Mike1** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:42 pm

Welcome back Roly... I'll let people decide whether I really mean that or not! However, I'm pleased that you've finally acknowledged the fact that The Gooner is not financially linked to the club. One-nil to me I think.

I guess because you lost that argument, it was to be expected that you'd try a different track - you are a solciitor after all and in typical legal style you have twisted my words somewhat, so I'd like to put the record straight.

I did not say that Kevin "spends little time on the website" as you have suggested. I said that neither Kevin or myself "spend a great deal of time on the FORUM" and the reason I gave was that it's easy to become engrossed in it and hours can disppear, as I'm sure many on here can testify. We actually both spend quite a lot of time on the website, sourcing and editing material, as well as moderating the comments which are made - a full-time job on Monday after Sunday's debacle.

You have suggested that I added "the explanation for gooner ed`s silence on topics such as gazidis is that long ago it was decided as a matter of policy that while the gooner could be used by readers to start campaigns, gooner ed would never take the lead". I said nothing of the sort.

What I did say was that The Gooner is not a campaigning publication, but we've always been happy for people who want to campaign to use our pages to reach a wider audience. Whether Kevin wants to write on a particular subject is entirely down to him. One of my guiding principles for The Gooner is to try not to ask contributors to write on a particular subject because I feel it dilutes the passion of the piece. I would far rather people voluntarily contribute articles on topics which they feel strongly about and I extended an open invitation for to contribute a piece on Gazidis, which I've yet to receive a response to.

You describe Kevin as a "bloody wimp" which is your opinion and there's no doubt that your entitled to it. Like I said to you at the time, I think it's a horrible trait of society that people can make such a judgement without knowing the person and I'm quite surprised that a supposedly intelligent individual could fall into that trap. On the other hand, I don't know you and yet I've formed an opinion too. I'm just polite enough not to say what it is.

Mike