John Cross - Wenger's arse licker

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franksav63 wrote:
REBEL GOONER wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
REBEL GOONER wrote:he tweeted you back frank :lol:
Yes, fair play to him at least he replied but it's still a shit article. :lol:
and now your fighting with the black scarfers :lol:
I don't know where he is coming from, he reckons I was slagging off ex-Arsenal legends :shock:
same old Frank :roll: :lol:

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arseofacrow wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
REBEL GOONER wrote:
franksav63 wrote:
REBEL GOONER wrote:he tweeted you back frank :lol:
Yes, fair play to him at least he replied but it's still a shit article. :lol:
and now your fighting with the black scarfers :lol:
I don't know where he is coming from, he reckons I was slagging off ex-Arsenal legends :shock:
same old Frank :roll: :lol:
:lol: :lol:

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keyboard warrior :lol:

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REBEL GOONER wrote:keyboard warrior :lol:
He's backtracking now, he reckons the part in the article referring to ''pundits'' is related to Arsenal Legends... :? :? :roll: :roll: Bloody hell, I thought I was having a bad day...

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What cross fails to realise is that this has been buiding up for at least two seasons. Along with the 6.5% increase in prices, wenger has not delivered what he promised us when we left highbury. We may finacially be sitting at the table with the big boys but that hasn't translated to where it matters, on the pitch. How low have we sunk? IMO when Gary fuckin' Neville berates our most expensive signing, and I agree with him, then its surely a sign things need to change.

And anyway WTF has mick mccarthy got to do with wenger. His substitution salvaged a point, wenger's change lost the match...AGAIN!!!!

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All these *word censored* are on kickbacks - fair enough they aint actually receiving cash but they are granted exclusive's and access to the club that other media people are not as a reward for backing up and not slating the club. Getting that inside knowledge gives their newspaper a step up on their rivals and in theory would make it a more desirable read for the Arsenal fans thus increasing sales so the bottom line is still ££££ :roll:

Cannot take any journo seriously when he chooses to ignore truths that are in front of him just to adopt a nice pieceful article so as not to rock the boat :roll: :evil: :evil:

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Post by rigsby »

To bef air to Cross he has advocated the need to inject cash and sort out a few of the problems at the club. That article is shit though.

Patrick Barclay in the Standard said a similar thing about the chant.

Also there was a very good artcile in the Standard yesterday about Wenger and the Arsenal board. I would recommend you give it a read.

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This one Rigsby-

In a period of economic uncertainty when financial institutions don't want to lend, it should come as no surprise that Arsenal are reluctant to spend.

The Gunners have been run as a bank for too long. Finance has taken precedence over football to create an imbalance that has led to the team's decline.

Yet it is bank manager Arsene Wenger whose credit is at an all-time low. The Frenchman has his faults. That famous myopia that helped deflect undue criticism of his side when successful now appears to prevent him from realising their fallibilities.

Questions must be asked of the use of a tactical system that places great strain on the full-backs when the club are suffering an injury crisis in that position.

Defensive mistakes occur with embarrassing regularity, a lack of maturity continues to hinder them on the pitch while the club's backroom staff is crying out for a shake-up to inject fresh ideas and banish the yes men mentality that ensures Wenger's philosophy goes unchallenged despite six trophyless seasons.

These concerns were the underlying cause of the anger vented in the direction of the dugout during Sunday's defeat by Manchester United and Wenger has undoubtedly made mistakes for which he should be held accountable.

But there comes a point when the board should take
some responsibility for embarking upon a route of financial prudence while failing to provide Wenger with the help needed to take the club forward.

Majority shareholder Stan Kroenke must be more vocal in outlining his plans for the club because at present it is hard to escape the feeling Wenger is being hung out to dry.

Having been championed by a board happy to give him as much footballing freedom as any manager alive, he stands and falls by what his philosophy delivers.

But that would absolve the board of responsibility for their previous actions. In the 1990s, they rightly felt a new stadium was required to increase matchday revenues to compete with Manchester United and other clubs with bigger capacity.

By 1999, the move to Ashburton Grove was confirmed and, after a delay, the stadium was opened in 2006, three years later than originally planned.

It was a sensible move and Emirates Stadium is an enduring legacy for the board and Wenger but in between 1999 and 2006, Roman Abramovich arrived to change the landscape of English football at Chelsea. Suddenly, football's finances were warped in a manner nobody could have predicted. The influx of cash-rich foreign owners multiplied the problem before Manchester City's Arab owners took
things to a fantastical level.

Arsenal are well managed and correctly proud of their self-sustainability, particularly in contrast to City's huge losses, which were £197million at the last count. But pride in the balance sheet does not satisfy supporters, especially those asked to pay the highest ticket price in the Premier League. There is a middle ground between financial madness and a cobwebbed chequebook.

Wenger, of course, buys into prudence and for that he is blamed. He endlessly preaches value in the transfer market. "Football is not a ­supermarket," says Wenger, yet his club seem content on counting their Clubcard points without ever cashing in.
Phil Jones, Chris Smalling and Gary Cahill are among recent targets Arsenal refused to pay the going rate - or a ­little more - to get the deal done. Finance 1 Football 0.

Wenger knows a season without Champions League football would be a disaster in footballing terms but chairman Peter Hill-Wood insists the club would be well-placed regardless. Finance 2 Football 0.

The club's hierarchy ultimately decided it was worth delaying their transfer dealings until the end of August in a bid to squeeze around £5m extra from the sales of Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri. Finance 3 Football 0.

Qualification for the Champions League was not assured until Udinese had been seen off but the club should already have replaced those certain to depart. Finance 4 Football 0.

Delays and doubts over bringing in defensive reinforcements and creating a swollen squad have prompted stalling in the market this month while the team suffered three successive League defeats for the first time in five years. Finance 5 Football 0.

No other club are better placed for the introduction of UEFA's Financial Fair Play rules but the wait for a fully regulated system to have an impact is a damaging one. Finance 6 Football 0. Is it worth keeping score? Maybe eventually it will reach 8-2.

Wenger has erred but his former glories combined with an ability to navigate the club through such a seismic shift should ensure respect endures. But the club must stop counting the cash and instead count the cost of a failure to invest.

Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy deserves credit for keeping key players and successfully negotiating contracts. Arsenal face another battle with Robin van Persie among others this summer.

Since 2005 - when they last finished a season in the top two and last won a trophy - Arsenal have made a £24.3m profit from ­transfers.

Financially, the Gunners are in the black but their football is in the red. Wenger has made up the deficit for too long. He needs help.

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as i've already stated in this forum, john cross is full of shit, the *word censored*.

and his articles could be written by a 5yo. short sentences, no true insight, just his stupid opinions flying around. how people like that are payed to do their jobs i won't ever understand.

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Cross is a fan, but also likes Wenger a bit too much. If we don't complain, how will we force him out?

This is football, for fuck's sake! Wenger has used up his goodwill with seven years of not winning a single pot, now he is just smoking pot and everyone can see the errors compounded from the years past, so we are now telling him!

The thing is that these journalist seem to have erased days past when chanting was a lot worse than now. They are the ones who want us to sit down, shut up and pay the millions in wages to under-performance meanwhile cashing in on the gravy train.

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SpanishJoe wrote:Forget the substantive points he tries to make. The article is shit because it is self-contradictory throughout (fans have a right to complain.....but they shouldn't chant, AW's won nothing for ages, we're charged sky-high prices.....but we should be patient and not complain).

It's a lazy, piss poor piece of journalism.
Exactly. 8) The irony being that he says in the same article that there are thousands of people that think they could do his job. Given the quality of this and other articles he's written, they'd be right!! :lol: :lol: :wink:

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The bit which irks me and shows the man is out of touch is that he relates those who are now judging Wenger as the latte-brigade. If Cross was a genuine fan he'd realise that the "WOBs" or AMG brigade are across the demograpgic but with their strongest roots in those who celebrated trophies under GG or even Bertie Mee.

Red Member asked on another thread why it was easier for AW to achieve a top four finish over the past 14 years or so. The answer is obvious RM unless you are new to this sport. CL football made finishing in the top places an almost shoe-in. Look at the premier league and the other major leagues around Europe. It was self-fuelling success. The CL places being taken up by the same teams year in and year out was becoming a major problem. It was only 5 years ago when other managers were despairing at whether they could ever break the monopoly. There was the odd exception (Everton) but staus quo soon returned playing for the usual monies.

The last few years have seen another oligarch club (City) push the competition and since 2005 we don't handle competition particularly well. Our removal from the top four has been voluntary. How can you make an £81m transfer profit since 2005 and claim to be a top club? Our removal from CL football has been self-inflicted. The model has not been about self-sustaining but self-serving.

Each time Wenger and the chairman that would be nowhere without his name say we cannot spend 30-50m on a player they misread our intelligence. It isn't that we can't compete with Chelsea or Man Utd, it's that we are refusing to compete at the same level of investment with the Spuds/Villa/Liverpool/Stoke/Sunderland. We are 18th in net spend since 2005 which is dreadful for a club with our revenue streams.

When we do choose to invest (in wages) we get that so astronomically wrong (decent players allowed to run down contracts to attract clubs while the plethora of shit we have are on long term bumper deals that deter clubs) that it makes you wonder if AW is the right person to invest Usmanov money should that ever happen.

I haven't even gone into tactics or that TA and others have called AW a crap tactical coach. If Cross thinks we are wrong to shout you don't know what you are doing then he simply is not a fan, he's another freeloader. So JC, leave us to be the fans supporting the club, you finish your latte and prawn sandwhich and keep worrying about access to the next interview. Don't forget to put your best smile on as you ask your inane questions.

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Post by QuartzGooner »

flash gunner wrote:
REBEL GOONER wrote:saw you had a go on twitter frank, have to say i agree with you and it is a bad piece to write, john cross knows who his friends at arsenal are and is not going to upset them :roll:
Well done Frank for giving him stick :barscarf:

This is the opposite end to Babatunde's 'Wonderful Article' but just as embarrassing
Agree.

It offers an opinion, but with little int he way of fact or analysis to back it up.

Poor piece from Cross.

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Cockerill's chin

quality post

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selsdon wrote:Cockerill's chin

quality post
Agreed great post CC

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