When did Wenger become not very nice

[Babatunde]

The title of this thread is a good indicator of the poison and hatred which has taken over this forum, and an excellent example of why I, among with many others no longer post here.

+1

..and the reason hardly anyone can have a rational discussion about the club on here.

Of course people have varying opinions. What I don't understand is why others feel the need to use abuse and name calling in order to put their point across.

Yeah Kiwomya is right, the need for insulting and abuse is shocking.
So here's an idea Kimowya aka Arsene's ball-tickler: if the abuse of your fallen idol hurts your sensitivities so much, how about you piss off elsewhere your dear Leader is loved, and go lick Arsene's toilet bowl or something?

[flash gunner]

The title of this thread is a good indicator of the poison and hatred which has taken over this forum, and an excellent example of why I, among with many others no longer post here.

+1

..and the reason hardly anyone can have a rational discussion about the club on here.

Of course people have varying opinions. What I don't understand is why others feel the need to use abuse and name calling in order to put their point across.

Yeah Kiwomya is right, the need for insulting and abuse is shocking.
So here's an idea Kimowya aka Arsene's ball-tickler: if the abuse of your fallen idol hurts your sensitivities so much, how about you piss off elsewhere your dear Leader is loved, and go lick Arsene's toilet bowl or something?

Pathetic Posts like this totally undermine everything else you might write

[flash gunner]

Too much generalisation here from sid and The Cook and Kiwomya. Pure bollocks to say you can't have a rational debate on here. Of course you can - just not with everyone!

sid, for me, Wenger has never been and never will be a cúnt. He is a bloke trying to do his best in the way he thinks it should be done. The problem is he can't see his own failings and has become so arrogant that he now refuses to listen to anyone pointing out those failings. That doesn't make him a cúnt. Deluded, lost, arrogant, wrong - all of these, yes. But not a cúnt. Lying Phil Brown is a cúnt. Fat Sam is a cúnt. Prisoner 156078 is a cúnt.

Wenger is still the manager that won us two doubles, an unbeaten PL title and won the PL at the Drain.

Unfortunately, the game has caught up to him and moved on and he hasn't kept pace. His time is up, he should leave or be sacked, but we should still respect the success he brought us.

Agree with BG that 2008 team could have been something special if Wenger had bought in the players we needed and shipped out the shite. But he didn't and we'll never know what that nucleus of a team might have achieved.

Wenger out. And the sooner the better. But I still love and respect him for what he won with us.

Good post im guilty of calling him a *word censored*, such is the frustrations of being a Gooner these days but Babatundes (and Sid's here) hate filed posts and name calling is just ridiculous

[donaldo]

January 2008.Top of the league the team playing great.But the squad was wafer thin.We had no back up.And when the injuries came the team collapsed giving away a 6pt lead with 9 games left.That was unforgivable.Thats when i lost faith in him.And he still hasnt learned the lessons from that january.The project failed

[kiwomya]

The title of this thread is a good indicator of the poison and hatred which has taken over this forum, and an excellent example of why I, among with many others no longer post here.

+1

..and the reason hardly anyone can have a rational discussion about the club on here.

Of course people have varying opinions. What I don't understand is why others feel the need to use abuse and name calling in order to put their point across.

Yeah Kiwomya is right, the need for insulting and abuse is shocking.
So here's an idea Kimowya aka Arsene's ball-tickler: if the abuse of your fallen idol hurts your sensitivities so much, how about you piss off elsewhere your dear Leader is loved, and go lick Arsene's toilet bowl or something?

If anyone needs an example of what I mean - have a gander at this.

[DB10GOONER]

January 2008.Top of the league the team playing great.But the squad was wafer thin.We had no back up.And when the injuries came the team collapsed giving away a 6pt lead with 9 games left.That was unforgivable.Thats when i lost faith in him.And he still hasnt learned the lessons from that january.

Excellent post, Don. Good points well made without the need to resort to insulting anyone.

I hung on even after that point tbh. I kind of believed him (wanted to, anyway) when he said he had a plan post-2008 and that the project would fully come to fruition. I gave him until May 2010.

When may 2010 rolled around and he had failed to strengthen through another 4 transfer windows and the project was still a pile of shit, I wanted him gone.

I believe I honestly gave the man all the time I could as a supporter. I'm not a reactionary spoilt ingrate the way some AKB's try and portray us supporters that want Wenger out. I persisted with him waaaaay past his sell by date, hoping he would change, he would cop on. He didn't. I'm saddened by him, I'm dissapointed in him but I don't and can't hate him.

[DB10GOONER]

The title of this thread is a good indicator of the poison and hatred which has taken over this forum, and an excellent example of why I, among with many others no longer post here.

+1

..and the reason hardly anyone can have a rational discussion about the club on here.

Of course people have varying opinions. What I don't understand is why others feel the need to use abuse and name calling in order to put their point across.

Yeah Kiwomya is right, the need for insulting and abuse is shocking.
So here's an idea Kimowya aka Arsene's ball-tickler: if the abuse of your fallen idol hurts your sensitivities so much, how about you piss off elsewhere your dear Leader is loved, and go lick Arsene's toilet bowl or something?

If anyone needs an example of what I mean - have a gander at this.

In fairness one poster is not a whole forum, mate.

[goonersid]

Too much generalisation here from sid and The Cook and Kiwomya. Pure bollocks to say you can't have a rational debate on here. Of course you can - just not with everyone!

sid, for me, Wenger has never been and never will be a cúnt. He is a bloke trying to do his best in the way he thinks it should be done. The problem is he can't see his own failings and has become so arrogant that he now refuses to listen to anyone pointing out those failings. That doesn't make him a cúnt. Deluded, lost, arrogant, wrong - all of these, yes. But not a cúnt. Lying Phil Brown is a cúnt. Fat Sam is a cúnt. Prisoner 156078 is a cúnt.

Wenger is still the manager that won us two doubles, an unbeaten PL title and won the PL at the Drain.

Unfortunately, the game has caught up to him and moved on and he hasn't kept pace. His time is up, he should leave or be sacked, but we should still respect the success he brought us.

Agree with BG that 2008 team could have been something special if Wenger had bought in the players we needed and shipped out the shite. But he didn't and we'll never know what that nucleus of a team might have achieved.

Wenger out. And the sooner the better. But I still love and respect him for what he won with us.

Good post im guilty of calling him a c**t, such is the frustrations of being a Gooner these days but Babatundes (and Sid's here) hate filed posts and name calling is just ridiculous

So it's alright for you to call him a *word censored* cos you are frustrated, but not acceptable for me
I would hardly call my post hate filled (despite saying I now hate the sight of him)
I was trying to highlight just how much my own and other fans opinion of him have changed so dramatically. Your own included Flash.
If I remember correctly you found my desire to have him sacked, a little baffling, when I had a pint with yourself and Frank.

[flash gunner]

Too much generalisation here from sid and The Cook and Kiwomya. Pure bollocks to say you can't have a rational debate on here. Of course you can - just not with everyone!

sid, for me, Wenger has never been and never will be a cúnt. He is a bloke trying to do his best in the way he thinks it should be done. The problem is he can't see his own failings and has become so arrogant that he now refuses to listen to anyone pointing out those failings. That doesn't make him a cúnt. Deluded, lost, arrogant, wrong - all of these, yes. But not a cúnt. Lying Phil Brown is a cúnt. Fat Sam is a cúnt. Prisoner 156078 is a cúnt.

Wenger is still the manager that won us two doubles, an unbeaten PL title and won the PL at the Drain.

Unfortunately, the game has caught up to him and moved on and he hasn't kept pace. His time is up, he should leave or be sacked, but we should still respect the success he brought us.

Agree with BG that 2008 team could have been something special if Wenger had bought in the players we needed and shipped out the shite. But he didn't and we'll never know what that nucleus of a team might have achieved.

Wenger out. And the sooner the better. But I still love and respect him for what he won with us.

Good post im guilty of calling him a c**t, such is the frustrations of being a Gooner these days but Babatundes (and Sid's here) hate filed posts and name calling is just ridiculous

So it's alright for you to call him a c**t cos you are frustrated, but not acceptable for me
I would hardly call my post hate filled (despite saying I now hate the sight of him)
I was trying to highlight just how much my own and other fans opinion of him have changed so dramatically. Your own included Flash.
If I remember correctly you found my desire to have him sacked, a little baffling, when I had a pint with yourself and Frank.

Not at all mate i was totally against him when i met up with you, as i am now. I have totally changed my mind on Wenger over the years as most of us have, if im honest i cant remember exactly at what point it was but im dead against him as i was in the pub that day.

Im sorry to have lumped you and babatunde in the same bracket as i dont think that way about you at all. Youre an extreme version of my own thoughts, where as Babatunde is almost childish in his taunts and his knocking of our achievments under Wenger (which were immense at the time) i find ridiculous and sp*rs like and he should be stopped IMO

Ive called Wenger a *word censored* on here as i said due to my frustrations so im guilty as i said but im not sure the best way to have a debate is to entitle a thread about him being a fucking *word censored* this is what i meant.

Onwards and upwards i heard Sneijder is joining in July

[Babatunde]

Now with the usual Wenger cheerleading rent boys swatted aside, the Wenger becoming an absolute c*** time-line has a definite moment in time.

That moment of time came when Patrick Vieira demanded a transfer away from Arsenal in 2005. Vieira had become disaffected with Wenger's lack of ambition and asked the manager when serious players were going to be signed to address the weak areas of the team.

PV: 'When are we going to sign some real star quality?'

AW: 'You weren't star quality when we signed you'.

Vieira saw it coming, and was later transferred out the club as he had become an independent, daring to question the omniscient Lord fuckwit Wenger.

Ever since then, what has happened? The fans blindly backed Wenger, and made Vieira the fall guy. He was bombed out, Arsene Knows and since that period, Arsenal have stagnated and won the root sum of sweet F.A. In fact beyond that, the club is now a running joke, permeated by clueless sheep (hi Kiwomya), cult members and cheerleaders who genuinely think the manager is bigger than the club and irreplaceable.

More players came out with the exact same concerns as Vieira and weresimilarly pilloried: Henry was a big-head for voicing concerns. Lassana Diarra was nothing but a trouble-maker for questioning Wenger's retarded policy of prioritising a soon to-be-out-of-contract Flamini. Fabregas, who for so many years dedicated himself to a shower of shite, can also be found insulted on these pages for questioning Wenger's competence, for questioning Wenger's lack of silverware etc...next summer, Van Persie will soon be decried as a traitor and an injury-prone big-head.

All the meanwhile, the manager's complete ineptitude in the transfer market and tactical incompetence has only been surpassed in its stupidity by his salary takings of over £41 million. And the bankers are called irresponsible arrogant w*****s for taking home massive bonuses for achieving fuck all. Comical stuff.

The problem we have here is that Wenger was allowed to become too powerful by the fans. And it is finally only now, after 7 years of ridicule and the club becoming a running joke, that the fans have found their voice.

Remember that story about that fan at Stamford Bridge who said to Wenger in the toilet he didn't think the squad was good enough? Then Wenger turned to him and said 'then you cannot be a real Arsenal fan if you say that'?!

That fan woulda been within his rights to knock Wenger out. Who the fuck is Wenger? That fan has probably been around following his team and ploughing money into them long before this rat-faced overpaid joke turned up. Wenger has been allowed to polarize the Arsenal fan base and that is unforgivable.

The fans sat back and let him break up the INvincibles and ket guffing about 'the future's bright'.

Well 7 years later and you have Gazidis saying

'Citeh would love to be in three competitions'.

What 3 competitions are Arsenal in? Arsenal are as close to 18th place as they are to top. The club is a running joke with comments like that constantly coming up.

Highest ST prices in Europe and being told that 4th place is an achievement and that missing out on CL would be no big deal.

The one time the manager came under serious pressure, a bunch of clueless retards known as 'RedAction' did more harm to the club by holding a love parade in Wenger's honour.

All of these actions have combined to turn Wenger into quite easily, the most arrogant, isolationist, clueless, up his own arse, deluded moron in the Premier League. No manager is more retarded and subjected to such little scrutiny. When Steve Kean doesn't perform, Blackburn fans let him known. This is Blackburn I am on about. When Everton don't perform, their fans let them know.

When Arsenal don't perform, Wenger is emboldened by excuse making retards who claim 'we cannot compete with Citeh/Chelski/Accrington'. It's a joke.

The biggest culprits in all this is a section of fans who have stood back, watched Wenger systematically dismantle this club and use it as a personal ego trip, and made excuses for him. The minute Wenger saw that he could do whatever he wanted, and that some idiots would excuse it, was the minute he contracted God Delusion.

I've always said it but Arsenal fans who sat by and let this happen without asking any questions or voicing any protest are just as guilty as the board of our current joke status. Fact.

Rant over.

[xgtdec]

I think it was refusing to keep Flamini that was my turning point, i recall watching Flamini patrol behind Cesc and think we are on to a good thing here, and then the flamster vanished and it was Wenger who didnt keep him over a few grand....that was the moment i knew Wenger indeed did not know!!

[goonersid]

Too much generalisation here from sid and The Cook and Kiwomya. Pure bollocks to say you can't have a rational debate on here. Of course you can - just not with everyone!

sid, for me, Wenger has never been and never will be a cúnt. He is a bloke trying to do his best in the way he thinks it should be done. The problem is he can't see his own failings and has become so arrogant that he now refuses to listen to anyone pointing out those failings. That doesn't make him a cúnt. Deluded, lost, arrogant, wrong - all of these, yes. But not a cúnt. Lying Phil Brown is a cúnt. Fat Sam is a cúnt. Prisoner 156078 is a cúnt.

Wenger is still the manager that won us two doubles, an unbeaten PL title and won the PL at the Drain.

Unfortunately, the game has caught up to him and moved on and he hasn't kept pace. His time is up, he should leave or be sacked, but we should still respect the success he brought us.

Agree with BG that 2008 team could have been something special if Wenger had bought in the players we needed and shipped out the shite. But he didn't and we'll never know what that nucleus of a team might have achieved.

Wenger out. And the sooner the better. But I still love and respect him for what he won with us.

Good post im guilty of calling him a c**t, such is the frustrations of being a Gooner these days but Babatundes (and Sid's here) hate filed posts and name calling is just ridiculous

So it's alright for you to call him a c**t cos you are frustrated, but not acceptable for me
I would hardly call my post hate filled (despite saying I now hate the sight of him)
I was trying to highlight just how much my own and other fans opinion of him have changed so dramatically. Your own included Flash.
If I remember correctly you found my desire to have him sacked, a little baffling, when I had a pint with yourself and Frank.

Not at all mate i was totally against him when i met up with you, as i am now. I have totally changed my mind on Wenger over the years as most of us have, if im honest i cant remember exactly at what point it was but im dead against him as i was in the pub that day.

Im sorry to have lumped you and babatunde in the same bracket as i dont think that way about you at all. Youre an extreme version of my own thoughts, where as Babatunde is almost childish in his taunts and his knocking of our achievments under Wenger (which were immense at the time) i find ridiculous and sp*rs like and he should be stopped IMO

Ive called Wenger a c**t on here as i said due to my frustrations so im guilty as i said but im not sure the best way to have a debate is to entitle a thread about him being a fucking c**t this is what i meant.

Onwards and upwards i heard Sneijder is joining in July

Fair enough, he is a fucking *word censored* though And tbh a lot of my posts are intended to be a bit tongue in cheek.

[bergkamp10]

I think it all started to go wrong when Vieira left. Many fans, including me, didn't realize it at that time because we reached the CL Final one year later and finished fourth in the League on the last day of the season.

Another important moment was when Flamini and Hleb left and no players were bought to replace them. The 2007/08 team could have challenged for the league title if they had stayed. I still don't understand why on earth we let Flamini leave on a free transfer.

That I reckon does say a awful lot about the state of the club, with Wenger as Manager. "I still don't understand why on earth we let Flamini leave on a free transfer. "..

[brazilianGOONER]

Too much generalisation here from sid and The Cook and Kiwomya. Pure bollocks to say you can't have a rational debate on here. Of course you can - just not with everyone!

sid, for me, Wenger has never been and never will be a cúnt. He is a bloke trying to do his best in the way he thinks it should be done. The problem is he can't see his own failings and has become so arrogant that he now refuses to listen to anyone pointing out those failings. That doesn't make him a cúnt. Deluded, lost, arrogant, wrong - all of these, yes. But not a cúnt. Lying Phil Brown is a cúnt. Fat Sam is a cúnt. Prisoner 156078 is a cúnt.

Wenger is still the manager that won us two doubles, an unbeaten PL title and won the PL at the Drain.

Unfortunately, the game has caught up to him and moved on and he hasn't kept pace. His time is up, he should leave or be sacked, but we should still respect the success he brought us.

Agree with BG that 2008 team could have been something special if Wenger had bought in the players we needed and shipped out the shite. But he didn't and we'll never know what that nucleus of a team might have achieved.

Wenger out. And the sooner the better. But I still love and respect him for what he won with us.

this post proves that db10gooner's ability to write good posts is inversely proportional to his height

good one by donaldo as well.

that is the point. i find it very ungrateful to cheer someone for 7 years and then call him a *word censored*. as db10 points out, wenger lost his marbles and has a view of the footballing world that only fits in his bizarre brain, but it does not mean that he doesn't love this club and truly wants us to be a winning team again. however, diawara also wanted to be a good striker for us but unfortunately it was not within his grasp.

it is time for the board to realize we got all we could from mr. wenger, but it's time to say goodbye old man. thanks for what you've done, but the club must live on to new ideals.

calling him a *word censored* is ungrateful and childish, and not recognizing the grandness of what he made us achieve is stupid beyond belief of course we say some things after games because our anger is still boiling, i think that's the point flash wants to make - i have shouted abuse at him at some moments and that's football, of course we don't think all referees in the world are son of prostitutes, but we do shout that because that is football and that's how we vent our frustrations. however we have to be mature enough to think about that later and treat him with the respect he deserves.

[SpanishJoe]

Flamini wasn't a good enough player for his departure to be a disaster (a bit like Nasri he'd had his first good season and wanted a massive payrise) but he had started to play an important role in the team and, for me, his departure was the tipping point because AW didn't replace him and his absence was keenly felt. It was certainly the first time I doubted him, but not the last. His judgement on which players are good enough for us is suspect, but worse than that, when he has made a mistake (as all managers do) he has refused to address it.

For me it is his actions that deserve criticism not his words. Interviews are easy when you're winning but when you're not what do you say? 'Yes Garth, I'm making a right pig's ear of this', 'We were crap today because most of our players aren't up to it', 'I can't see us getting any better' etc etc.
An occasional defeat may induce a short blast of honesty but most managers spout platitudes most of the time because there's not much option. Taking them to heart is as pointless as listening to politicians or Babatunde.