Away days to be ruined next season!

[Red Member]

I understand one of the supporters groups ( is it BSM?) has tried to get the away supporters moved to the upper tier but that the club has said no.
it is the sort of thing that deserves a petition about though.
it CAN work to have the away lot put in the upper tier anyway - the Dortmund lot were given a section of the upper tier after the ticket shambles for the CL group game this season.

[Dan_85]

The segregation thing is an excuse in my view. I'm sure the real reason for keeping away fans in the lower tier is that there will always be thousands of sheep Arsenal fans or tourists who will happily cough up the £50+ to sit in the upper tier, whereas it's unlikely they'd sell so many upper tier tickets to away fans, particularly the likes of wigan, blackburn, bolton etc who bring fuck all fans as it is anyway.

As has been said, the segregation thing can be easily resolved. It's a money thing, as always.

[SteveO 35]

The segregation thing is an excuse in my view. I'm sure the real reason for keeping away fans in the lower tier is that there will always be thousands of sheep Arsenal fans or tourists who will happily cough up the £50+ to sit in the upper tier, whereas it's unlikely they'd sell so many upper tier tickets to away fans, particularly the likes of wigan, blackburn, bolton etc who bring fuck all fans as it is anyway.

As has been said, the segregation thing can be easily resolved. It's a money thing, as always.

It's so bloody obvious isn't it? Its no harder to segregate fans in the upper tier than it is in the lower. The only barrier in the lower tier is the waist high fence which has to be lined with stewards or plod anyway.

I thought the Emirates was supposedly equipped to hold internationals (e.g. Brazil) and neutral games like the Europa League Final. I think they might manage to segregate upper tier supporters then don't you ?

[Perryashburtongroves]

In all fairness, after some of the away performances this season, I'd have paid another £50 to have had no view of the action at all.

[SWLGooner]

SAFCFTM - my worry wouldn't be the lack of view, but of atmosphere. And the fact that yous don't normally sell out, so there will just be more empty seats visible on TV instead of in the North Upper.

By the way, is it likely we'll get charged more??

Old Trafford is an absolute slag of an away day anyway, my least favourite of all Prem aways, so I don't really care that they are moving us.

[arseofacrow]

SAFCFTM - my worry wouldn't be the lack of view, but of atmosphere. And the fact that yous don't normally sell out, so there will just be more empty seats visible on TV instead of in the North Upper.

By the way, is it likely we'll get charged more??

Old Trafford is an absolute slag of an away day anyway, my least favourite of all Prem aways, so I don't really care that they are moving us.

old trafford is/was one of the best away sections though. sorry your days up there weren't so good mate. Maybe it's the place you go/company you keep/etc...

[HashKads]

SAFCFTM - my worry wouldn't be the lack of view, but of atmosphere. And the fact that yous don't normally sell out, so there will just be more empty seats visible on TV instead of in the North Upper.

By the way, is it likely we'll get charged more??

Old Trafford is an absolute slag of an away day anyway, my least favourite of all Prem aways, so I don't really care that they are moving us.

old trafford is/was one of the best away sections though. sorry your days up there weren't so good mate. Maybe it's the place you go/company you keep/etc...

Think your right there AoC, i haven't been there with him yet

[SWLGooner]

SAFCFTM - my worry wouldn't be the lack of view, but of atmosphere. And the fact that yous don't normally sell out, so there will just be more empty seats visible on TV instead of in the North Upper.

By the way, is it likely we'll get charged more??

Old Trafford is an absolute slag of an away day anyway, my least favourite of all Prem aways, so I don't really care that they are moving us.

old trafford is/was one of the best away sections though. sorry your days up there weren't so good mate. Maybe it's the place you go/company you keep/etc...

Think your right there AoC, i haven't been there with him yet

In terms of view it's good, but as an overall day out it is rubbish IMO. Drinking at the Balcony Bar is OK, but many away pubs are better. The train ride up and back is always horrible as so many plastic arseholes go up to watch United that there are never seats and you are crammed into corridors. It's a plastic, sterile ground with no atmosphere, full of arseholes who constantly have their cameras going.

Obviously the presence of Jayson would make it into a perfect day out <3

[safcftm]

SAFCFTM - my worry wouldn't be the lack of view, but of atmosphere. And the fact that yous don't normally sell out, so there will just be more empty seats visible on TV instead of in the North Upper.

By the way, is it likely we'll get charged more??

Old Trafford is an absolute slag of an away day anyway, my least favourite of all Prem aways, so I don't really care that they are moving us.

Aye, the lack of atmosphere is the reason why I'm opposed to it. Might be old fashioned but I like having away fans in the main bowl near to the home fans and near enough to the pitch that they can create some atmosphere. Often the only bit of our ground that is loud is the SWC (which is good other than on cup days) so people are a bit anxious about the atmosphere now the away fans arent there. Some argue that it benefits the away team to have fans near the pitch and so they should be moved, for me its up to the players to win without us spoiling the atmosphere to try and "increase" their chances. SAFC have turned the south stand into a "singing section" at concession prices which is class- I've moved there and the whole stand is nearly sold out so it'll be packed but as a result a lot of the north stand and east stand will have spaces which wont look great on tele. Having said that, we get about 39,000 on average and often the away fans number under a thousand so if we just start using the main bowl for SAFC fans we shouldnt have too many spaces, its just those in the upper areas that fuck it up a bit after we extended the ground without the demand.

Regarding the price, unfortunately it looks like you will be charged more. Season card prices have been frozen but match day prices have increased. The upper area is no more expensive than the south stand was as an area but the price rises mean you'll probably pay more. One thing though, instead of category A and B games as we've had recently, its now been made A, B and C. I'm not too sure if Arsenal will count as a category A game next season, its quite possible that it'll be made category B (theres been rumours that only Newcastle and Manchester United will be category A). Match day tickets for category A would probably cost you £40 next season and B would most likely be £35, so if you're category B it shouldnt be too much more than you're spending currently. £40 to watch a match is disgusting like

[SWLGooner]

SAFCFTM - my worry wouldn't be the lack of view, but of atmosphere. And the fact that yous don't normally sell out, so there will just be more empty seats visible on TV instead of in the North Upper.

By the way, is it likely we'll get charged more??

Old Trafford is an absolute slag of an away day anyway, my least favourite of all Prem aways, so I don't really care that they are moving us.

Aye, the lack of atmosphere is the reason why I'm opposed to it. Might be old fashioned but I like having away fans in the main bowl near to the home fans and near enough to the pitch that they can create some atmosphere. Often the only bit of our ground that is loud is the SWC (which is good other than on cup days) so people are a bit anxious about the atmosphere now the away fans arent there. Some argue that it benefits the away team to have fans near the pitch and so they should be moved, for me its up to the players to win without us spoiling the atmosphere to try and "increase" their chances. SAFC have turned the south stand into a "singing section" at concession prices which is class- I've moved there and the whole stand is nearly sold out so it'll be packed but as a result a lot of the north stand and east stand will have spaces which wont look great on tele. Having said that, we get about 39,000 on average and often the away fans number under a thousand so if we just start using the main bowl for SAFC fans we shouldnt have too many spaces, its just those in the upper areas that fuck it up a bit after we extended the ground without the demand.

Regarding the price, unfortunately it looks like you will be charged more. Season card prices have been frozen but match day prices have increased. The upper area is no more expensive than the south stand was as an area but the price rises mean you'll probably pay more. One thing though, instead of category A and B games as we've had recently, its now been made A, B and C. I'm not too sure if Arsenal will count as a category A game next season, its quite possible that it'll be made category B (theres been rumours that only Newcastle and Manchester United will be category A). Match day tickets for category A would probably cost you £40 next season and B would most likely be £35, so if you're category B it shouldnt be too much more than you're spending currently. £40 to watch a match is disgusting like

Yeah, it's far too much, especially considering the train fare is normally a similar amount.

I'd love to see more clubs do what Wolves have done and introduce a discount for full-time students, how are we expected to pay full whack unless we're part time?

Yeah, I also like being right near the away fans for the atmos.

One positive though - the worst view I've ever had at football (last row of the Paddock at Goodison aside) was the fifth row of the South Stand this year in the FA Cup, as others can confirm we couldn't see half the pitch because of the f****** crossbar.

[safcftm]

I think clubs should get more creative in general with their pricing tbh. Both of our clubs get the piss taken out of us- Arsenal because being a big club with big support means you're always charged loads, we get the hassle of not even being any good but often being charged loads as clubs know we have a large traveling support. I'd like to see some rules brought in regarding tickets. A set price of £25 a match maximum should be workable and clubs shouldnt be allowed to increase prices loads without reason- we've had times where away tickets have been £25 one season then £35 the next, how the fuck they can justify a jump like that I'll never know. Trouble is people keep on paying it because they can afford it- I can afford to go to the games but am very near to saying fuck it and refusing away games that are over £35, its just taking the piss and pricing a lot of good fans out- in Germany they have protests etc about it but here we do nothing.

Its sickening that clubs have millions upon millions of quid coming in from TV revenue, sponsorship and ever increasing, inflation busting ticket price rises etc but still cant turn a profit because however much they get they spend it all on players wages and agents fees. Its about time the fans who actually turn up (and get shafted with kick off times etc) took a stand and refused to be fleeced to pay for the clubs inability to manage their finances. As a minimum, clubs should offer free travel to all fans- for the amount it would cost to put a few buses on it is the least they can do, even if it costs £10k an away game its £200k a year, they pay that to a shit reserve player in about 2 months

[arseofacrow]

I think clubs should get more creative in general with their pricing tbh. Both of our clubs get the piss taken out of us- Arsenal because being a big club with big support means you're always charged loads, we get the hassle of not even being any good but often being charged loads as clubs know we have a large traveling support. I'd like to see some rules brought in regarding tickets. A set price of £25 a match maximum should be workable and clubs shouldnt be allowed to increase prices loads without reason- we've had times where away tickets have been £25 one season then £35 the next, how the fuck they can justify a jump like that I'll never know. Trouble is people keep on paying it because they can afford it- I can afford to go to the games but am very near to saying fuck it and refusing away games that are over £35, its just taking the piss and pricing a lot of good fans out- in Germany they have protests etc about it but here we do nothing.

Its sickening that clubs have millions upon millions of quid coming in from TV revenue, sponsorship and ever increasing, inflation busting ticket price rises etc but still cant turn a profit because however much they get they spend it all on players wages and agents fees. Its about time the fans who actually turn up (and get shafted with kick off times etc) took a stand and refused to be fleeced to pay for the clubs inability to manage their finances. As a minimum, clubs should offer free travel to all fans- for the amount it would cost to put a few buses on it is the least they can do, even if it costs £10k an away game its £200k a year, they pay that to a shit reserve player in about 2 months

I'd pay a quid to watch sunderland...quid-fifty tops

The author and PR guy Alex Fynn said some years ago that there would be a huge increase in TV revenue and that the fans who pay at the gate would be heavily subsidised - because they would be providing part of what TV were going to pay for, namely the atmosphere. I think that's why Arsenal have the highest season ticket prices in Europe.

Such as it is, players salaries have spiralled and the clubs would say that they do already subsidise regular tickets. It doesn't help though when season tickets are now a much higher percentage of the average annual salary.

Modern football.

[safcftm]

I'd pay a quid to watch sunderland...quid-fifty tops

The author and PR guy Alex Fynn said some years ago that there would be a huge increase in TV revenue and that the fans who pay at the gate would be heavily subsidised - because they would be providing part of what TV were going to pay for, namely the atmosphere. I think that's why Arsenal have the highest season ticket prices in Europe.

Such as it is, players salaries have spiralled and the clubs would say that they do already subsidise regular tickets. It doesn't help though when season tickets are now a much higher percentage of the average annual salary.

Modern football.

If you had spent that to watch us "perform" on Tuesday against Everton in the cup you'd be due a couple of quid change

[gooner.ed]

looking at the old trafford pricing

http://www.manutd.com/en/Tickets-And-Ho ... -Plan.aspx

it looks like those in the 4th tier are being charged the same as those in the 2nd tier, but less than the seats in the 3td tier... go figure! they are probably putting away fans up there because they are struggling to sell these tickets to home fans at over-inflated prices