Alan Davies...

[LDB]

I'm no fan of Liverpool but mentioning the fact that their refusal to play on the anniversary of Hillsborough is in any way harsh on Chelsea is a bellend of a comment at best. Chelsea play on Sunday, then they play on Wednesday so there is 3 days between their matches. Most clubs in the Premier League have just played Saturday then Monday, 2 days. Every club in Europe plays either Saturday then Tuesday (3 days) or Thursday then Sunday (3 days). There is absolutely nothing wrong with Chelsea having "only" 3 days between matches. Fucking hell, they're top athletes in the prime of their life, give them a day off training on the Monday and they'll be absolutely fine. Fair enough if it was Sunday then Tuesday but fucking hell, Sunday then Wednesday is absolutely fine. For what its worth I'd want Liverpool v Everton on the Saturday regardless of Hillsborough- a lot more difficult to get down to London and back on the Sunday with transport etc. The FA didnt bother taking that into account when they demanded that every game be played at Wembley since they overspent on it and are desperate to recoup some of the money, its right next door to Spurs and Chelsea they can go there on the fucking Sunday, the Liverpool v Everton game should have been at Villa Park anyway

As for their refusal to play on the anniversary of Hillsborough well personally I think theres nothing wrong with playing on that date and I know that other clubs play on anniversarys of disasters but you know what, it was only 1989 and it took the lives of 96 people who were just going to a match, one of them was only 10 years old for fucks sake. If the club would rather keep that day so that the survivors who are still coping with the loss of their loved ones can go to remembrance services etc without any distractions then I dont see why anyone should have a problem with that, its absolutely up to them.

Yes, they are the pity city and yes they go over the top about people with agendas, yes they dont mention Heysel as much as they should and yes a lot of people think they should move on etc, but when it comes to Hillsborough I just think of the families of the people who died, a lot of them just kids going to the match like so many of us do each week but never coming home, I think of them waiting, praying that their kids are safe and then breaking down in tears when they hear they have been agonisingly crushed to death and I realise that football just doesnt fucking matter that much. If a club wants to keep a date for remembrance of one of the biggest footballing disasters this country has ever seen then fair play to them, there is no reason why it should be an issue and some clueless jumped up little ***** stain who is a two bit actor who suddenly thinks he has an opinion worth listening to about football (one of many such wankers, Piers Morgan being another) should know to keep his fucking mouth shut about it. I see he has a 2 year old daughter- I sincerely hope no harm ever comes to her but if she was to lose her life in a tragedy, I imagine Davies wouldnt be so keen to do anything on the anniversary of it other than simply remember his daughter and the sad loss of her life, maybe then he would realise what these people are going through and will continue to go through as long as they live, I bet he wouldnt be rushing out on the anniversary of her death to do a fucking shite podcast anyway. Maybe he should keep his fucking mouth shut- he has no idea what the families of the victims are going through and he deserves every bit of abuse that comes his way for openly making such crass comments, whatever media they appear on or whoever was expected to hear them.

Rant over, but he can fuck off. JFT 96

Sorry but no, he said on the podcast that he considers Hillsborough the worst British peacetime tragedy ever and talking about his daughter dying is just silly and rather sick on your part. Grief is a personal thing and it doesn't need a load of self-important hanger-ons looking to create silly little gimmicks. Get on with the game.

[safcftm]

Bringing his daughter into it is highlighting the fact that if he hasnt lost a loved one in a tragedy he shouldnt be spouting off about what others who have should be doing on the anniversary, I stated that I hope he never finds himself in the position of knowing so it isnt sick in the slightest- I'm sure he wouldnt like her being mentioned like, but neither would the families of the victims who have actually suffered the heartbreak of losing a loved one like his crass and unnecessary comments, he should think before he opens his mouth, but then his sort rarely do

[Dan_85]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Chelsea having "only" 3 days between matches. Fucking hell, they're top athletes in the prime of their life

Really? Chelsea? Fat Frank, JT, Essien, Drogba, Mikel?

[MutleyGooner]

I'm no fan of Liverpool but mentioning the fact that their refusal to play on the anniversary of Hillsborough is in any way harsh on Chelsea is a bellend of a comment at best. Chelsea play on Sunday, then they play on Wednesday so there is 3 days between their matches. Most clubs in the Premier League have just played Saturday then Monday, 2 days. Every club in Europe plays either Saturday then Tuesday (3 days) or Thursday then Sunday (3 days). There is absolutely nothing wrong with Chelsea having "only" 3 days between matches. Fucking hell, they're top athletes in the prime of their life, give them a day off training on the Monday and they'll be absolutely fine. Fair enough if it was Sunday then Tuesday but fucking hell, Sunday then Wednesday is absolutely fine. For what its worth I'd want Liverpool v Everton on the Saturday regardless of Hillsborough- a lot more difficult to get down to London and back on the Sunday with transport etc. The FA didnt bother taking that into account when they demanded that every game be played at Wembley since they overspent on it and are desperate to recoup some of the money, its right next door to Spurs and Chelsea they can go there on the fucking Sunday, the Liverpool v Everton game should have been at Villa Park anyway

Go light a fucking candle mate, Alan Davies has bought me more entertainment and pleasure to my life than the whole of the sad victim city of Liverpool has ever done and he also has more of my respect. I agree sad for those families that lost loved ones, but are they sad for Heysel? Are they fuck, I don't see them asking not to play matches on 29th May, oh silly me, their eason is over by then isn't it

As for their refusal to play on the anniversary of Hillsborough well personally I think theres nothing wrong with playing on that date and I know that other clubs play on anniversarys of disasters but you know what, it was only 1989 and it took the lives of 96 people who were just going to a match, one of them was only 10 years old for fucks sake. If the club would rather keep that day so that the survivors who are still coping with the loss of their loved ones can go to remembrance services etc without any distractions then I dont see why anyone should have a problem with that, its absolutely up to them.

Yes, they are the pity city and yes they go over the top about people with agendas, yes they dont mention Heysel as much as they should and yes a lot of people think they should move on etc, but when it comes to Hillsborough I just think of the families of the people who died, a lot of them just kids going to the match like so many of us do each week but never coming home, I think of them waiting, praying that their kids are safe and then breaking down in tears when they hear they have been agonisingly crushed to death and I realise that football just doesnt fucking matter that much. If a club wants to keep a date for remembrance of one of the biggest footballing disasters this country has ever seen then fair play to them, there is no reason why it should be an issue and some clueless jumped up little ***** stain who is a two bit actor who suddenly thinks he has an opinion worth listening to about football (one of many such wankers, Piers Morgan being another) should know to keep his fucking mouth shut about it. I see he has a 2 year old daughter- I sincerely hope no harm ever comes to her but if she was to lose her life in a tragedy, I imagine Davies wouldnt be so keen to do anything on the anniversary of it other than simply remember his daughter and the sad loss of her life, maybe then he would realise what these people are going through and will continue to go through as long as they live, I bet he wouldnt be rushing out on the anniversary of her death to do a fucking shite podcast anyway. Maybe he should keep his fucking mouth shut- he has no idea what the families of the victims are going through and he deserves every bit of abuse that comes his way for openly making such crass comments, whatever media they appear on or whoever was expected to hear them.

Rant over, but he can fuck off. JFT 96

[GranadaJoe]

I don't get the spurious argument that Liverpool not playing gives those families the opportunity to do something to remember their loss. The loss of life was tragic and should be remembered but what are the club/families suggesting? That they would have gone to put flowers on the grave but Liverpool are playing away? Football should come a distant second and the club/supporters do not help themselves. Forgetting Heysel and singing about Munich don't engender much sympathy.

[LDB]

Bringing his daughter into it is highlighting the fact that if he hasnt lost a loved one in a tragedy he shouldnt be spouting off about what others who have should be doing on the anniversary, I stated that I hope he never finds himself in the position of knowing so it isnt sick in the slightest- I'm sure he wouldnt like her being mentioned like, but neither would the families of the victims who have actually suffered the heartbreak of losing a loved one like his crass and unnecessary comments, he should think before he opens his mouth, but then his sort rarely do

I know that if I had lost a daughter my last concern would be whether or not a football match was played on the anniversary of her death. He made no crass comment on the loss of 96 lives, he commented only on the decision by Liverpool to refuse to play on that day.

[frankbutcher]

Alan Davies has done nothing wrong. Justice for the 96 is the thousands of pissed up scousers owning up to the fact that they murdered their own.

[MutleyGooner]

Killed by their own - just fucking own up to it

[stg]

What would l'poo do if the CL semi final was on that date or if there was no other date available for a PL or FA cup match???

[donaldo]

I'm no fan of Liverpool but mentioning the fact that their refusal to play on the anniversary of Hillsborough is in any way harsh on Chelsea is a bellend of a comment at best. Chelsea play on Sunday, then they play on Wednesday so there is 3 days between their matches. Most clubs in the Premier League have just played Saturday then Monday, 2 days. Every club in Europe plays either Saturday then Tuesday (3 days) or Thursday then Sunday (3 days). There is absolutely nothing wrong with Chelsea having "only" 3 days between matches. Fucking hell, they're top athletes in the prime of their life, give them a day off training on the Monday and they'll be absolutely fine. Fair enough if it was Sunday then Tuesday but fucking hell, Sunday then Wednesday is absolutely fine. For what its worth I'd want Liverpool v Everton on the Saturday regardless of Hillsborough- a lot more difficult to get down to London and back on the Sunday with transport etc. The FA didnt bother taking that into account when they demanded that every game be played at Wembley since they overspent on it and are desperate to recoup some of the money, its right next door to Spurs and Chelsea they can go there on the fucking Sunday, the Liverpool v Everton game should have been at Villa Park anyway

As for their refusal to play on the anniversary of Hillsborough well personally I think theres nothing wrong with playing on that date and I know that other clubs play on anniversarys of disasters but you know what, it was only 1989 and it took the lives of 96 people who were just going to a match, one of them was only 10 years old for fucks sake. If the club would rather keep that day so that the survivors who are still coping with the loss of their loved ones can go to remembrance services etc without any distractions then I dont see why anyone should have a problem with that, its absolutely up to them.

Yes, they are the pity city and yes they go over the top about people with agendas, yes they dont mention Heysel as much as they should and yes a lot of people think they should move on etc, but when it comes to Hillsborough I just think of the families of the people who died, a lot of them just kids going to the match like so many of us do each week but never coming home, I think of them waiting, praying that their kids are safe and then breaking down in tears when they hear they have been agonisingly crushed to death and I realise that football just doesnt fucking matter that much. If a club wants to keep a date for remembrance of one of the biggest footballing disasters this country has ever seen then fair play to them, there is no reason why it should be an issue and some clueless jumped up little ***** stain who is a two bit actor who suddenly thinks he has an opinion worth listening to about football (one of many such wankers, Piers Morgan being another) should know to keep his fucking mouth shut about it. I see he has a 2 year old daughter- I sincerely hope no harm ever comes to her but if she was to lose her life in a tragedy, I imagine Davies wouldnt be so keen to do anything on the anniversary of it other than simply remember his daughter and the sad loss of her life, maybe then he would realise what these people are going through and will continue to go through as long as they live, I bet he wouldnt be rushing out on the anniversary of her death to do a fucking shite podcast anyway. Maybe he should keep his fucking mouth shut- he has no idea what the families of the victims are going through and he deserves every bit of abuse that comes his way for openly making such crass comments, whatever media they appear on or whoever was expected to hear them.

Rant over, but he can fuck off. JFT 96

yeah justice for the Hillsborough 96 and the Hysel 39 killed by Liverpool fans .

[Revgoon89]

If there is one thing that will start off a flame war it's differing opinions of Hillsborough.

[Henry Norris 1913]

safcftm I thought you were better than that- look up the youtube video of the podcast and see that his comments were taken out of context before spewing such presumptious, ignorant shit. he said that hillsborough was a terrible disaster, but retiring one day of the year to permanent mourning, even if it means fucking up another club's european campaign is backwards and stupid , don't make it about the ten year old victims at hillsborugh that day ffs.

JFT 96
JFT 39

[frankbutcher]

safcftm I thought you were better than that- look up the youtube video of the podcast and see that his comments were taken out of context before spewing such presumptious, ignorant shit. he said that hillsborough was a terrible disaster, but retiring one day of the year to permanent mourning, even if it means fucking up another club's european campaign is backwards and stupid , don't make it about the ten year old victims at hillsborugh that day ffs.

JFT 96
JFT 39

+1000.

[LDB]

Wow. A voice of reason on RAWK

Quote from: jamie_c on Yesterday at 06:41:16 PM
I know I'm going to get shot down for having a different opinion here but I'm not sure he's done too much wrong.

Firstly he made the comments on an Arsenal podcast, I'm guessing none of us listen to it so in a way everyone has gone out of their way to be offended, reminds me a bit of the Russell Brand/Jonathan Ross scandal, very few people who listened were offended but the Daily Mail made sure plenty of people who did not listen got offended afterwards.

Secondly what has he said thats so bad?

That Liverpool should have to play on the anniversary ?

He's entitled to have that opinion just as much as the club is entitled not to play on that date, he's right that many other clubs do play on the anniversay of disasters. As it's a comedy podcast he's tried to make that point in a funny way, obviously no one here thinks it's funny but it's on an arsenal podcast and not aimed at liverpool fans. At no point does he laugh at the disaster or make any comment on it or who was to blame for it.

The comments on Dalgliesh are not offensive, and if you think they are just look at the names opposing managers are called on this forum, and there is no problems with whats he said about spurs either, calling your closest rivals vermin is fair game for a football fan.

This is the sort of thread that will get put on a Utd forum under the headline "always the victim", it's not a big deal so just ignore it...

[ElliotGooner]

The remarks have to be considered within the environment they were made. Alan Davies' Tuesday Club' isn't a debate forum for topics such as forms, players and results such as The Gooner Podcast. It is just him and 2 of his mates spouting random abuse usually homophobic and/or insensitive, summed up by his Hillsborough comments.

Yet the wider issue is the boundary between harmless pub/singing banter such as the Nasri and Cashley songs regularly sung which I consider banter and funny or the offensive chanting which is no longer banter such as the Adebayor coach tragedy songs and the anti-Semitic chants often sung by our lot at the Swamp. Davies regularly falls in the latter category which makes me think keep your views to yourself not broadcast them to his fans. And for the record joking about Hillsborough, an event where 96 football fans died watching the team they loved, no matter how this came about, is not and never will be an acceptable subject for banter. Yes, he questioned why they cant play on the date but the way he went about it is why this uproar has been caused.