Technology in football

[Rosie_titters]

But surely the technology speeds up the game?

Umpire looks at a replay and decides in under a minute, rather than players surrounding the referee and arguing about a decision for longer?

i agree in theory, the chelsea and man utd ones were a no brainer, but some of the decisions are so tight to call, that players and managers alike will argue with the offical about the outcome of a decision.

[nexum5me]

you'd probably have to have some kind of signal that the ref has given a decision one way or another, but is also referring it to tv (in the case of a corner/gk despute, or if a player goes down in the box and the ref thinks it's not a foul but has enough doubt to call for a quick 4th official review [in this case he'll wave play on but also give whatever the "tv review" signal is]) that way the 4th official can quickly (cos it won't take that long) watch and either overule the ref, or if it's just inconclusive or "subjective to opinion" (ie if there WAS contact but the kind of thing you could dispute) then the ref's first, initial decision stands.
what you may end up with here is a team with a decent pen shout appealing, seeing the ref wave play on, and then in the middle of defending a counter attack in the ten seconds or so that pass suddenly finding that they've actually got a penalty.

now imagine that free kick man city had at the end yesterday that hit our wall. imagine how you'd feel if ramsey had scored to make it 2-0 when we broke, and as you were celebrating, it suddenly became apparent that in actual fact the game had been pulled back to a man city penalty as the ball had hit one of our player's hands in the wall.

luckily it didn't happen, but that kind of thing would be fucking hard to swallow, regardless of how correct it may have been!

[StuartL]

you'd probably have to have some kind of signal that the ref has given a decision one way or another, but is also referring it to tv (in the case of a corner/gk despute, or if a player goes down in the box and the ref thinks it's not a foul but has enough doubt to call for a quick 4th official review [in this case he'll wave play on but also give whatever the "tv review" signal is]) that way the 4th official can quickly (cos it won't take that long) watch and either overule the ref, or if it's just inconclusive or "subjective to opinion" (ie if there WAS contact but the kind of thing you could dispute) then the ref's first, initial decision stands.
what you may end up with here is a team with a decent pen shout appealing, seeing the ref wave play on, and then in the middle of defending a counter attack in the ten seconds or so that pass suddenly finding that they've actually got a penalty.

now imagine that free kick man city had at the end yesterday that hit our wall. imagine how you'd feel if ramsey had scored to make it 2-0 when we broke, and as you were celebrating, it suddenly became apparent that in actual fact the game had been pulled back to a man city penalty as the ball had hit one of our player's hands in the wall.

luckily it didn't happen, but that kind of thing would be fucking hard to swallow, regardless of how correct it may have been!

But isn't it currently worse, losing to an offisde goal, or cheated penalty ?
or moving with the times and losing a goal because the ref was able to review the play and give the correct decision ?

[nexum5me]

you'd probably have to have some kind of signal that the ref has given a decision one way or another, but is also referring it to tv (in the case of a corner/gk despute, or if a player goes down in the box and the ref thinks it's not a foul but has enough doubt to call for a quick 4th official review [in this case he'll wave play on but also give whatever the "tv review" signal is]) that way the 4th official can quickly (cos it won't take that long) watch and either overule the ref, or if it's just inconclusive or "subjective to opinion" (ie if there WAS contact but the kind of thing you could dispute) then the ref's first, initial decision stands.
what you may end up with here is a team with a decent pen shout appealing, seeing the ref wave play on, and then in the middle of defending a counter attack in the ten seconds or so that pass suddenly finding that they've actually got a penalty.

now imagine that free kick man city had at the end yesterday that hit our wall. imagine how you'd feel if ramsey had scored to make it 2-0 when we broke, and as you were celebrating, it suddenly became apparent that in actual fact the game had been pulled back to a man city penalty as the ball had hit one of our player's hands in the wall.

luckily it didn't happen, but that kind of thing would be fucking hard to swallow, regardless of how correct it may have been!

But isn't it currently worse, losing to an offisde goal, or cheated penalty ?
or moving with the times and losing a goal because the ref was able to review the play and give the correct decision ?

i wasn't saying it should or shouldn't be implemented, i was just saying it easily could be, and that it would be just as painful as when a decision goes against you!

[flash gunner]

Goal line technology - yes. The rest im not sure about

[worthing_gooner]

I'm definitely all for technology in football, but the question for me is how far do you go?

Goal-line tech is a must. It's clear cut, the whole ball is either over the line or it isn't. There's no middle ground.

Offsides for me are the same. I thought the rule was that if any part of your body that you can score with is offside, then you are offside. Again, there is no middle ground, it's also clear cut.

I like the idea that an offside review can only be called upon if a goal is scored before the defending team regains possession.

i.e. if an attacker is offside but the lino doesn't give it, the ball goes to a defender and he shanks his clearance and the attacking team score, he can't then go back and say the attacker was offside in the buildup, because the defending side had already regained possession.

However, if an attacker is offside and the ball hits the defender and goes out for a corner, then they score from the corner, the defending team can call on the replay because they hadn't had possession of the ball since the offside which led to the goal.

That way, we're not stop-starting for every single offside decision, but just the ones which lead to a goal.

Other than that, I don't think you can really go any further. Penalties, even red cards to an extent, can be debatable decisions. That's part of the intensity of football and if you take that away, you take away some of the best debates and talking points.

How do you decide if it's a definite penalty? Sometimes with replays you still can't tell. For me, that process has to be left alone.

[Henry Norris 1913]

theres not a single reason not to do it- these people that want to the game to be fast will be moaning as soon as we lose to a controversial decision.

[the moog]

for me its a big fat NO. just leave the game alone

[safcftm]

I dont want to see technology introduced into football. It's part of the game- managers make errors, players make errors, officials make errors. As long as there is no bias, there's no reason to change it imo. It gives a talking point, it improves atmospheres when people are all going mental at the ref, theres no guarantee that a replay will be conclusive (you often see people watch a replay several times and still disagree). I would hate to see the game become more sterilised, controlled and, well, Americanised than it already is and I wish people would just leave the fucking game alone rather than having to try and add things in that have never been required in the hundred odd years we've had leagues. All of a sudden its "big money" and theres TV watchers in America and Asia who want to see us change our game because theyd prefer it and, quite honestly, we shouldnt give a fuck what they want, they can introduce it into American/ Asian leagues if they're so bothered and go and watch them. Many that attend games like seeing decisions made on the spot, we dont want to be sitting waiting for a "penalty" to flash across the sponsored scoreboard like an out call in cricket, fuck that

Take away the element of chance and error and you spoil the game a bit. What should be introduced instead is more punishment for cheats- if a player goes rolling around when he's been hardly (if at all) touched, ban the fucker for 3 games, for a blatant dive give the fucker a 3 game ban. More retrospective punishment that stamps out cheating would be good, that would help make the refs job a lot easier as players would, eventually, stop cheating as much as they would be aware of the possible consequences. People just constantly need to whinge about something when it comes to football, next they'll be wanting sin bins and to be rid of 0-0 draws, the games fine as it is

[SteveO 35]

Having seen Chelsea's second goal today, I would like to say that technology has no role in football